i am not getting involved in this discussion except to make one observation. it seems like 90% of vapers are conservative republicans.
Remember the thread where we were all talking about how old we were, and everyone was surprised to find out how many of us were above 40? Young people tend to think with their hearts and feelings, us older folks think in terms of how the world really works. I mean no offense to anyone younger than me reading this, but when you get to be a half century old you will understand.
I remember Presidents Kennedy, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, both Bush(s), Clinton, and Obama. Hands down, Reagan was the best. Clinton got lucky that Bush Sr. raised taxes after saying he wouldn't, which caused a lot of Republicans to stand on principle and vote for Ross Perot, which handed Clinton the Presidency - and the free ride on the good economy that Reagan set up for he and Bush 41. By the time Bush 43 got into office, Clinton's policies had already started screwing things up. It was Bush 41's fault that the economy turned bad because he didn't undo enough of Clinton's policies and that he compromised with the Dems too much instead of fixing things.
The housing collapse was Clinton's fault. He forced banks to make loans that they ordinarily wouldn't make. The banks got smart, and sold off all of the risky mortgages to investors like AIG, and Goldman Sachs. The Dems wanted the banks to take the losses when things collapsed, but they got surprised when their buddies at AIG and GS (allies of the Dems) were caught holding the bag when it happened. The "American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009" was a thinly veiled cover story for bailing their "too big to fail" friends out of trouble.
Minimum wage - If it gets raised, I will have to fire 2 people. My budget for payroll is determined at the beginning of the year, and is based off of a percentage of (projected) revenue.
The government can raise the minimum wage all they want, but my payroll will not increase. Ain't going to happen. The same amount of work will get done for the same amount of money. It doesn't matter to me if I have 16 people making $12/hr or 10 people making $19.60/hr. So those 10 people might be happier, but the other 6 are going to hate life. Do you work for me Vaperature? If so, you will be one of the 6. Just sayin'.