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I still have rdna40. No problems with it just got benched to more powerful devices.
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Evolv 1 upping Yihi
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Good post. Competition drives prices down, and encourages innovation. I just wish stuff were QC'd and release dates slowed down.
And, does RN4081 ring a bell
I remember the days you speak of, it's why I went back to my Swedish snus, and smoking. I vaped those old cig a likes when that was all there was, when I got back into vaping, an ego twist with an Evod was mind blowing. It was all downhill from there, lol. We are lucky to have the wealth of options, yet cursed with the fact that hardware is practically obsolete so fast.
The DNA200 will accept 3sLipo, 3sLiFe, 3x18650, or an external 12v power supply (yes you can vape this tethered and not worry about battery life if you want to). Those are the 4 current options for powering the board. There may be a future upgrade for less power and less cells (it is firmware upgradeable by the user), but nothing has been released regarding an upgrade for that. It also comes with software to run on a PC for updates and has a large list of features as well for customizing the chip such as setting presets, graphing power curves, graphing actual use data, setting curves for different coil materials for temp vaping, power ramp curves, etc. You can even customize the startup screens to have whatever you like. The feature list of what the software can do is very long. This is really advanced stuff that hasn't been seen in any board to date. For the techy types this is really great stuff. For vapers that want a versatile and accurate device, this is really great stuff.
The DNA200 is the same retail price as the YiHi SX350J chip (79.95) if you want to make your own mod. So I suspect this will not be as expensive as many seem to think the mods will be. The size of the DNA200 from VS is a little taller but very similar in width and depth to the VS DNA40 mods... even with the 3sLiPo.
I will certainly be getting a board to make my own mod as soon as it's released. I just don't understand why after so many folks were complaining incessantly that the DNA40 was underpowered would again complain that it is overpowered with the DNA200. It will accurately regulate from 1watt to 200watts, and the user has total control over how many watts they want to use. Considering you aren't required to use high wattage and the board is no more expensive than a very popular YiHi board... why the drama?
I just don't get the negativity I'm hearing... especially from several here that haven't a clue what this mod does and how it works, and in fact are basing their objections on ideas that are totally false.
At least keep an open mind until the board is released next week and people have a chance to vet it properly without having to adhere to an NDA. If it's junk it will be obvious, but from early reports it just might be a board that regains trust for Evolv that they lost with the mistakes of the DNA40.
The DNA200 is the same retail price as the YiHi SX350J chip (79.95) if you want to make your own mod. So I suspect this will not be as expensive as many seem to think the mods will be. The size of the DNA200 from VS is a little taller but very similar in width and depth to the VS DNA40 mods... even with the 3sLiPo.
I will certainly be getting a board to make my own mod as soon as it's released. I just don't understand why after so many folks were complaining incessantly that the DNA40 was underpowered would again complain that it is overpowered with the DNA200. It will accurately regulate from 1watt to 200watts, and the user has total control over how many watts they want to use. Considering you aren't required to use high wattage and the board is no more expensive than a very popular YiHi board... why the drama?
I just don't get the negativity I'm hearing... especially from several here that haven't a clue what this mod does and how it works, and in fact are basing their objections on ideas that are totally false.
At least keep an open mind until the board is released next week and people have a chance to vet it properly without having to adhere to an NDA. If it's junk it will be obvious, but from early reports it just might be a board that regains trust for Evolv that they lost with the mistakes of the DNA40.
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Good informative post. I have no dislike towards Evolve, I've never owned a DNA powered device. My concern with the cost of the chip is obviously unfounded, although SX350j devices are all more expensive to my knowledge. I'm most concerned with price, and though cool, the features are more than I need. Again, once it's in the wild and in use, that may change. We will see how it shakes out, I'd think Evolve is smart enough to really QC this one, since the DNA40 seems to have largely been kinda disliked. I hope it's good, and finds it's way to mods in the $100 price range, which is the high end, but something I can afford and feel ok about. Then, if it's a winner, the battery situation is all I'm still concerned about, but that may be unfounded, and not an issue, too. I gather Evolve really rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, and thus there is a lot of understandable distrust. Just my observations, but your post certainly is informative. I'm intrigued, thats for sure.
I've not heard a single person complain that the DNA 40 was under-powered. Where are you getting this from? As I previously stated, I know a lot of vapers (personally, and not just online) and I've never once heard a single person say they hated the DNA 40 because it only went to 40W... If they want to blow clouds, they have a Snow Box or something mechanical...
Correct, you are not required to use 200W with the new chip but you are required to use ridiculous battery types and configurations.. If you can't see that as a problem then I don't really know what else to say.
This chip is a specialty chip as it stands right now.. You say maybe they will release an update that allows different battery configurations in the future? I say doubtful! It that were the case, it would be able to rock a single 18650 on launch date.
If 200W and a goofy battery configuration is you thing then cool! Buy a mod with the chip and rock it! To each their own kind of thing right? Me... I have zero, nadda, none, no interest whatsoever in it..
Evolv is on their last leg so they better hope this chip is what people want.. I think they would have been better severed releasing 2 chips at the same time. Same features but one a 70W (or whatever they can push an single 18650 to) and this 200W one..
They've put all their eggs into a specialty chip so they had better hope it's a smash hit.. I hope they survive as competition is good..
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I would think that since the chips are controlled by software that they could use the same chip with different software versions and have say a 40, 60, 100, 120, 150, 180 and 200 watt versions. That way you could have different battery configurations and and have a broader market to sell to. Sort of like how the SX works at 60 watt on one battery and 120 watt on two batteries. Just a thought on my part.
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I hope this is not all they are doing.... If it is, ship sunk!
Anyone care to guess what the size of a 3ea 18650 battery box mod with a DNA chip would be? Hold crap, it would have to be a ginormous box...
Put 3ea 18650's side by side, leave a little room for battery spacing.. Now add in space for the wiring and to top it off toss in that DNA board... YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!! People think the BMI is huge and it's only a dual with an SX chip... Using a BAP as an example, that is a pretty descent sized dual with a DNA but adding a 3rd 18650 to it, would increase it's size considerably..
I really, really, really don't get it....
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I don't even think the ship is going to leak, much less sink. And I know you really, really, really don't get it. But I think you will. A good start would be to wait a week so you can get a fair understanding of the tech after fair and unbiased reviews start pouring in. There is a lot of groundbreaking tech in the new board that should prove very interesting. And there's no doubt a good portion of the tech is going to find it's way into competitors mods. It really is innovative in a lot of ways.
As far as huge mods, I think a 3 18650 configuration will be larger than I like. That's why there are other options that can deliver the power needed in a much smaller footprint, like LiPo, LiFe, and external source. And before someone goes off on the walking timebomb with LiPos, please don't ignore the years of history with extremely popular mods that have used LiPos that have been very safe. Add the additional safety of LiFe batteries and the extremely small size potential of an external power source and it get even more interesting. I can certainly imagine a tiny mod with an external power source that has a battery module that can be attached, in different configurations, for some very compelling mod offerings.
I don't expect the DNA200 will be absolutely flawless when released. But Evolv has seen the value of building in upgradability, like the YiHi chips, and as long as they devote the resources to doing the upgrades in a timely manner I'm OK with that. Just I have been with my YiHi chips. The tech of mods these days is so advanced I don't think anyone is going to release a new board flawless out of the gate. There is just too much going on in the software, and quite honestly, I will not buy another mod that doesn't follow YiHi's lead in offering a way to add features and squash bugs without having to buy a new mod. That's the worst screwup Evolv had with the DNA40 I think.
Evolv has a really good opportunity to recapture their place as a premiere vaping tech manufacturer. And of course, it will be up to them to make sure to stay diligent in offering updates and upgrades. A lot of folks are still wary of Evolv after having felt they were burned with the DNA40, and I'm one of them. But for 80.00 I certainly am willing to give this board a try just to play with all the advanced tech and features. It does look amazing, but time will tell. For those bitter from previous Evolv products, just wait a couple weeks and see what shakes out. It costs nothing to see if the tech lives up to the hype. But to trash the board before knowing why your trashing it? That's what I really, really, really don't understand.
The board may very well be rock solid and loaded with options but........ Again, the issue is the size that any mod wanting to rock 18650's will need to be... LiPo? Please.....
Maybe Evolv knows something I don't about the market but I know of absolutely zero vapers would would purchase a mod that runs on LiPo batteries... They may be out there, I just don't know of any personally...
For the record I am not really slamming the board as I know very little about it.. My issues with it are what it requires battery wise to run it.. If they make it to where the board can run (at lower wattage obviously) on a single 18650, a 26650 or a dual 18650 setup then I'd change my opinion of it..
Even if it could rock a single 18650 I still won't buy one... Evolv burnt too many people with the DNA 40 and that left a very bad taste in the mouth of a lot of people... Mod makers included..
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It also has a lot of wasted space, making it bigger than needed.
That may very well be as I've never see one in person BUT.... Place 3ea 18650's side by side.. Now leave room for wiring and the DNA board = It will not be small... Anything rocking 3 18650's with a DNA board is going to be ginormous..
This leave the only real option being LiPo....
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Have you seen hammond box mods? Ive seen several in 3x battery config that could easily fit a board and wiring. Is it big? Yup. But its not so big that its senseless to use. Might not be pocketable, but definitely portable.
Nothing wrong with that... There will be some no doubt but a mainstream chip the DNA 200 will not be..
Now cram a DNA 200 into the mix...
I get it, some people will buy it even with a LiPo pack and some people will by it with a triple 18650 to rock it but it's not going to be a popular chip..
Evolv sells millions of DNA 20/ 30 / 40 chips but my guess is they won't even come close with this one.
I hope I am wrong and I hope Evolv survives as competition is always a good thing..
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I just said, they can still easily fit the board and wiring.
Okay.. Let's see one then...
Some of the Hammond boxes are ginormous...
I am not interested in LiPo packs and I'm not interested in needing to carry a backpack to transport my mod..
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Could are less what VS comes out with, customer service sucks. All it takes is one bad experience for me and it's done. Maybe I'm getting touchy in my somewhat old age but man good customer service is what gets you business with me these days and it's a sad sad thing lately. But what were we talking about? Oh yes a 200 watt mod, um I guess seems a bit overkill for TC but whatever. As of lately TC seems to be flooding the market daily, I think I'm gonna wait it out for my next mod it's as bad as electronics now, I buy one thing and bam something else is announced. That's a good and bad thing, in the end I just need to remember I'm heating wire to vape some juice
Are you discounting the 10s of thousands of mods that have been sold and used for years having LiPo batteries without issue? Please...
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Doesn't matter how many of them go up in flames, it only takes one to ruin your day.
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I Dunne, I've had a few lipo mods in my day, my 2 vsdna30s are around a year old and still kickin. personally, I would discriminate.
plus, its not am assholo.
I haven't decides just yet: but the open source part has me really leaning towards being a esr'y adopter -maybe I'm a sadist after, "the great DNA40 debacle of 2015"
plus, its not am assholo.
I haven't decides just yet: but the open source part has me really leaning towards being a esr'y adopter -maybe I'm a sadist after, "the great DNA40 debacle of 2015"
Yes....
I must have missed the mass stampede of vapers trying to get LiPo powered devices. [[sarcasm]] I also must have missed the top tier mod makers using them in their mods [[sarcasm]] and I suppose I've missed every single vaper I know in real life vaping on a LiPo powered mod [[sarcasm]].. So... Ummmmm.. YES I am..
My bad! LOL
There was the vapor shark, the mvp 1, 2, & 3, and probably one or two I missed.
Yuppers.. And I'd be willing to bet they all will do a LiPo DNA 200 as well.. Did Hana use LiPo's too?
Actual yes they did on the Hana minis.
Thanks for reminding me.
I don't know anyone with an MVP and the people I know with the VS all have the rDNA.. I know a few with Hana's and none have the mini....
I guess my point is, and let me round off here, and say I personally know 20 vapers in real life.. Zero have a LiPo device..
Maybe one or two of them will get the DNA 200 just for shits and giggles.. If it were a DNA 60 or a DNA 70 lets say and it took an 18650 or a 26650 then I am going to guess that all 20 would want it and buy it...
Now if the DNA 200 can be made to take a single 18650 or a single 26650 then Evolv might indeed sell a shit ton of them.. LiPo only? Nope'ers...
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Well the mvp 1&2 sold like crazy and the rdna's didn't make their debut till halfway threw the DNA30 chips life span. So their was a fair share of the DNA20 and DNA30 vapor sharks with lipo's in them floating around.
Raq, you're really funny man. I get it that none of your 20 friends bought a mod with a LiPo. But 10s of thousands have without the issues you say will occur. And LiPos are not the only battery tech that can be used, as has been pointed out. Your doom and gloom outlook just can't be supported with data from the vaping world, but the success of LiPos in the vaping world can. It's not even a question at this point with years of sales to back it up.
I guess when the DNA200 boards and mods made with them sell in the thousands... and they will, you might have to rethink your position.
But I'm sure if you wait a while Evolv will come out with a board with very similar tech that is much lower power output that will satisfy you and your 20 friends. Evolv is out to make a statement with this board and redefine vaping and expectations for future vaping tech. From the specs and early indicators there's an excellent chance that is exactly what they are going to do. I guess we'll see in a week or two.
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I wonder what batteries were used in all the fixed battery mods that are going up in flames while charging?
Oh wait, nm.
Oh wait, nm.
Guess we will just have to wait and see......
You don't know what will happen nor do I... In my mind it's a limited appeal specialty chip that has a tarnished name attached to it..
The cloupor mini was going up in flames and it used 18650s. It's the charging board I blame not the batteries.
A quote form a Redit artice on LiPo and vaping..
If 200W is someones goal there are MUCH better options out there..
How about this dual 18650 with temp control and NO LiPo... LOL
http://www.asmodus.com/SnowWolf-200W-Variable-Box-Mod-Temperature-Control-p/snowwolf-200w.htm
If 200W is someones goal there are MUCH better options out there..
How about this dual 18650 with temp control and NO LiPo... LOL
http://www.asmodus.com/SnowWolf-200W-Variable-Box-Mod-Temperature-Control-p/snowwolf-200w.htm
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Yes when mistreated any battery can fail. Have you ever looked at the working specs of a lipo battery?
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I remember when the "Stardust" or CE4 was all the rage. I bought a few and they sucked, so I stayed with my carto tanks.
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Hard short a LiPo and hard short a 25R, then tell me which you'd rather have next to your face.
I never said I didn't understand the consequences of a lipo failure my friend. The variant is 260 watt mod that uses lipo batteries and I haven't heard or a failure from it nor even the clones of it.
The simple fact is that the lipo will not be hard shorted if it is put into a mod. I certainly hope that if the moder knows what he is doing and that they choose an adequate charging board for said mod.
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I like cheetos the cheese dust on the cheeto is far superior than the cheese dust on the dorito.
Then again the dorito taco kicks ass compared to the cool ranch taco. I don't know anyone that likes cool ranch tacos.
Then again the dorito taco kicks ass compared to the cool ranch taco. I don't know anyone that likes cool ranch tacos.
I don't see myself being an early adopter but if the reports are good and I like the foot print of the mods I will probably step up to the plate. I do like the dna mods. I have a couple 30's here that are still some of my favorites. The 40's I have had all worked well. The SX 350 mods are my actual favorites but the allure of a jacked up dna does have some appeal.
I would say more like their shilling bombardment from MC shillmaster b.
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I love how there are over9000 reasons you can get randomly banned on ECF yet he's still there.
Cause they suckle from the greasy moob of shillmaster b.
Honestly without MC shillmaster b in effect ECF would not have the draw and support of new clueless blood to fund their shitty empire.