Midniteoyl
Gold Contributor
Member For 4 Years
Member For 3 Years
Member For 2 Years
Member For 1 Year
Member For 5 Years
Then you should remember these thingsI'm 50 years old.
Then you should remember these thingsI'm 50 years old.
Remember WHAT? You posted a video in which two ignorant people are interviewed with a completely biased announcer claiming they represent Obama's ideal American. The video is completely stupid.Then you should remember these things
No.. whats done is done and it never 'goes back'.. However, why do we need to raise the minimum wage? It wouldnt be due to inflation, would it? Hmm.. So, prices go up, people must get paid more to cover it, which has the effect of raising prices, so people have to get paid more, which again raises the prices, etc, etc, etc.. As I said waaay back, simply raising the minimum wage will do nothing.. Much more needs to be done that will have the effect of not needing to raise the minimum wage in the first place.. The costs of goods and services need to remain stable. Simply printing more money, or demanding people get paid more, will not do that.So are you REALLY telling me you'd prefer minimum wage was still at the pre-2009 level? Are you seriously telling me prices wouldn't have gone up anyway and everyone wouldn't be scraping to survive today at pre-2009 minimum wage? Regardless of the consequences, you HAVE to raise the minimum wage now and again. You can't just leave it the same while the cost of living continues to increase.
It was the first one I could find.. I agree about the person commenting But the facts are, you said you didnt remember it, and, being 50, you should have..Remember WHAT? You posted a video in which two ignorant people are interviewed with a completely biased announcer claiming they represent Obama's ideal American. The video is completely stupid.
Eh, I say raise the minimum wage, it's not going to be the end of the world. It's overdue. And as for women ALREADY getting equal pay, well, good, if that's the case then there should be no objection to a law guaranteeing it then.No.. whats done is done and it never 'goes back'.. However, why do we need to raise the minimum wage? It wouldnt be due to inflation, would it? Hmm.. So, prices go up, people must get paid more to cover it, which has the effect of raising prices, so people have to get paid more, which again raises the prices, etc, etc, etc.. As I said waaay back, simply raising the minimum wage will do nothing.. Much more needs to be done that will have the effect of not needing to raise the minimum wage in the first place.. The costs of goods and services need to remain stable. Simply printing more money, or demanding people get paid more, will not do that.
Your "actual facts" say that raising the minimum wage will make the cost of living go up. My "actual facts" say that this is a moot point if you are ACTUALLY someone trying to raise a family off of minimum wage.
AMENCome on ,is the goal min. wage ! If that was my sons goal I would lock him in the garage and he could sleep in the truck and my wife would put his meals on the hood . (today he makes more than I did ) . Most companies can not afford this 15 $ per hour . Min . wage is a starting point . Want more , get another job , learn a new skill , go to school or join the military and learn an occupation . The Government never fed my family or made my house payment and I never asked it to . Drive and ambition run this country and every other free nation . Welfare has gone up 33 % under this administration . Give people the chance to help themselves , they pay taxes, they buy, and that gets the economy going .
Remember WHAT is my question. The video is about some person in Detroit getting some kind of aid or something, it's not even clear what. I'm not even sure what it is you expect me to remember.It was the first one I could find.. I agree about the person commenting But the facts are, you said you didnt remember it, and, being 50, you should have..
I agree. Thanks for the chat everyone. I hold no animosity toward people with differences of opinion, but I'm through talking politics for the day. Let's get back to something we can agree on, vaping.All talking politics does is piss people off at each other, and lower folks opinion of each other !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009Remember WHAT is my question. The video is about some person in Detroit getting some kind of aid or something, it's not even clear what. I'm not even sure what it is you expect me to remember.
I don't remember it probably because I wasn't absorbed in finding fault with everything Obama does. Every president in the history of this country has given out aid in one form or another. I remember the Bush tax break because it was so humongous that it wasted away the national surplus almost immediately (in my opinion, I know you disagree with that). Obama cash went to whom exactly? Some poor people? Well personally I think it's good if some poor people in Detroit got some cash, they need it. Anyway, like I said, enough politics for me for one day. Have a great day.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009
AKA - Obama Cash... Which I posted a link too.. talked about.. and, those women were happy to receive 'from Obamas stash'..
Which you said you dont remember...
C'mon, keep up
i think Midniteoyl said it best. what you are saying is minimum wage needs to be raised because prices have risen substantially since we raised minimum wage in 2009.The minimum wage was raised in 2009 and none of the doom and gloom you are predicting happened.
It went to everyone, and was bigger than Bush's...I don't remember it probably because I wasn't absorbed in . Every president in the history of this country has given out aid in one form or another. I remember the Bush tax break because it was so humongous that it wasted away the national surplus almost immediately (in my opinion, I know you disagree with that). Obama cash went to whom exactly? Some poor people? Well personally I think it's good if some poor people in Detroit got some cash, they need it. Anyway, like I said, enough politics for me for one day. Have a great day.
I am sorry buddy I still have no idea what you are talking about.It went to everyone, and was bigger than Bush's...
And, I'm not trying to 'finding fault with everything Obama does', but if you are gonna start talking politics and blame, you need to have your facts.. Apparently you are missing some.
its a great debate and all but arguing about this stuff is playing right into their hands. this is not what is destroying our currency. ask yourself how much this matters to the big pictureI am sorry buddy I still have no idea what you are talking about.
http://www.decodedscience.com/is-there-really-obama-money/21065
What exactly was the name of the program that gave EVERYONE money through Obama??? I think I don't remember it because it never happened. I know I said I was done talking about politics but seriously, clear this up for me before I go.
I don't mind arguing about the Bush tax cuts, believe what you want about it, but at least nobody can deny it actually happened. But going on and on about some mythical "Obama money" and saying it was bigger than Bush's tax cuts and that "everyone got" it, he who claims that needs to show some proof to back up all of that please.its a great debate and all but arguing about this stuff is playing right into their hands. this is not what is destroying our currency. ask yourself how much this matters to the big picture
it doesnt matter, they are all power hungry politicians doing whats in their best interest. take a step back and learn about whats happening with global central banks colluding with federal governments. you will see how little this stuff matters and i see it as just distractions to what they are really doingI don't mind arguing about the Bush tax cuts, believe what you want about it, but at least nobody can deny it actually happened. But going on and on about some mythical "Obama money" and saying it was bigger than Bush's tax cuts and that "everyone got" it, he who claims that needs to show some proof to back up all of that please.
And that goes back to my main point, raising the minimum wage isn't going to do jack to the economy. Everything is ruled today by central banks and multi-national corporations. How is getting a raise going to effect the price of your freakin' iphone made in China?it doesnt matter, they are all power hungry politicians doing whats in their best interest. take a step back and learn about whats happening with global central banks colluding with federal governments. you will see how little this stuff matters and i see it as just distractions to what they are really doing
yeah, but it seems one is saying the right thing from a libertarian point of view and another is saying the right thing from a more socialist point of view, that's where the heads start to butt.Just a thought , but are we all saying the same thing ......things are not right . No Rep. or Dem . issue here . Harry Reid in the Senate as majority leader was in charge of the calendar and if a bill came out he did not like it stayed on his desk and never went to the floor for debate or a vote . Is that any way to solve an issue ? We have theses career politicians who get 3,4 and more terms and we end up with the same problems . If your in the Senate ,you have 6 years ,if you can't make a difference ,well , see you later . That goes for all of them . It has gotten to the point where WE should all look in the mirror . Ok , , ,just an opinion .
but it is. its going to increase the effects coming from increased money supply and if we keep doing all these inflation inducing policies we can and will enter hyper inflation. then paradigm shift. at that point we will be wishing for the little amount of prosperity we have now. so many things wrong but that doesnt mean we give up on the principles that made us greatAnd that goes back to my main point, raising the minimum wage isn't going to do jack to the economy. Everything is ruled today by central banks and multi-national corporations. How is getting a raise going to effect the price of you freakin' iphone made in China?
Yet we all have homes and cars and are fat and can afford to feed our dogs and cats as well. Give those who struggle in a minimum wage job a raise already, for all the theory and predictions of gloom and doom, at the end of the day you still have your home and car and you're still fat with a cat and a dog.but it is. its going to increase the effects coming from increased money supply and if we keep doing all these inflation inducing policies we can and will enter hyper inflation. then paradigm shift. at that point we will be wishing for the little amount of prosperity we have now. so many things wrong but that doesnt mean we give up on the principles that made us great
youve got to stop thinking about the end of the day and look at the end of the year, we want long term prosperity and an environment to create more. not short term solutions that break down our countryYet we all have homes and cars and are fat and can afford to feed our dogs and cats as well. Give those who struggle in a minimum wage job a raise already, for all the theory and predictions of gloom and doom, at the end of the day you still have your home and car and you're still fat with a cat and a dog.
sorry, you just got involvedi am not getting involved in this discussion except to make one observation. it seems like 90% of vapers are conservative republicans.
??? Um.. I cant explain or give a more clearer link.I am sorry buddy I still have no idea what you are talking about.
http://www.decodedscience.com/is-there-really-obama-money/21065
What exactly was the name of the program that gave EVERYONE money through Obama??? I think I don't remember it because it never happened. I know I said I was done talking about politics but seriously, clear this up for me before I go.
At the end of the year you still have your home and your car and your cat and your dog and you aren't losing any weight for lack of food. Good grief. Give the struggling person a raise already.youve got to stop thinking about the end of the day and look at the end of the year, we want long term prosperity and an environment to create more. not short term solutions that break down our country
How is this 'mythcal'? It happened! It was signed into law...I don't mind arguing about the Bush tax cuts, believe what you want about it, but at least nobody can deny it actually happened. But going on and on about some mythical "Obama money" and saying it was bigger than Bush's tax cuts and that "everyone got" it, he who claims that needs to show some proof to back up all of that please.
What link that you gave was clear? The one where some women who didn't even know what she was talking about in Detroit was rambling on about how the money was coming from Obama's personal stash? That was a 15 million dollar aid package to help people avoid foreclosure by the way, not even a tiny fraction of the Bush tax cut.??? Um.. I cant explain or give a more clearer link.
Name the law then already. I know it's not called "Obama money" so what is it called?How is this 'mythcal'? It happened! It was signed into law...
Um.. Housing Bubble? A LOT of people do not have their house anymore... or car... Again man, you are really missing some facts. Cant have a debate if the other person doesnt even know what is being debated..Yet we all have homes and cars and are fat and can afford to feed our dogs and cats as well. Give those who struggle in a minimum wage job a raise already, for all the theory and predictions of gloom and doom, at the end of the day you still have your home and car and you're still fat with a cat and a dog.
OMG! I linked to it TWICE!!Name the law then already. I know it's not called "Obama money" so what is it called?
this is why i dont argue with socialists. no hard feelings though you just dont get it and you are missing the pointAt the end of the year you still have your home and your car and your cat and your dog and you aren't losing any weight for lack of food. Good grief. Give the struggling person a raise already.
The housing bubble had nothing to do with the minimum wage. Good grief!!!!Um.. Housing Bubble? A LOT of people do not have their house anymore... or car... Again man, you are really missing some facts. Cant have a debate if the other person doesnt even know what is being debated..
I'm not a socialist. I'm an anarchist.this is why i dont argue with socialists. no hard feelings though you just dont get it and you are missing the point
if we continue these inflation inducing policies no one wins. just wish you would understand that
Where? Must have missed it.OMG! I linked to it TWICE!!
Really?
Please, dont count me in that 90%... But, if actually talking about the effects of certian economic policies makes me a 'conservative republican', so be it.. I'd rather be called that that have my head buried somewhere...i am not getting involved in this discussion except to make one observation. it seems like 90% of vapers are conservative republicans.
Wait, you're talking about thePlease, dont count me in that 90%... But, if actually talking about the effects of certian economic policies makes me a 'conservative republican', so be it.. I'd rather be called that that have my head buried somewhere...
Well, kinda... biut, again, you are the one that claimed everyone still had a house and a car so these policies didnt make a difference... That view is really out of touch with reality.The housing bubble had nothing to do with the minimum wage. Good grief!!!!
Go back and look...Where? Must have missed it.
No, my point is if you have a house and a car now, you're still going to have a house and a car after the minimum wage is raised, but I suspect you knew that and are now just resorting to double talk.Well, kinda... biut, again, you are the one that claimed everyone still had a house and a car so these policies didnt make a difference... That view is really out of touch with reality.
yeah, i found it, it has NOTHING to do with giving out cash to everyoneGo back and look...