My son has this, seems to effect him more when he tries to sleep after a busy and stressful day. Its painful and his leg just can't stay still.
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My son has this, seems to effect him more when he tries to sleep after a busy and stressful day. Its painful and his leg just can't stay still.
Have to go work on SIL's water....
Grumble grumble...
Grumble grumble...
Just hang in there grumbles usually die off somewhat as the day progresses.
...keeps the coffee flowing. Just finished my second cup, fighting the urge to have a cig and smoking a good tobacco juice I whipped up.
Think I may try a mouth to lung atty or mod. Cant believe with all my mods I havent tried one yet for these times when i get these cravings that just wont go away...
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Think I may try a mouth to lung atty or mod. Cant believe with all my mods I havent tried one yet for these times when i get these cravings that just wont go away...
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How long have you been smoke-free? If it's been a few weeks or longer and you still get cravings, you might be one who could really benefit from WTA. it's useless for "mental" attachments to smoking, but for real physical cravings, it's priceless.
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Hey Andria.
Oh Ive been smoke free for about a year with the occasional puff here and there, choking my brains out lol. Been vaping about that long as well, but it took me awhile to find a satisfying mod and tank, coils etc
I have quit a few times for several years at a time. For me the craving never ever goes away. Even when I didnt sneak a puff for years.
The smell will turn me off, but the cravings stay.
Ive read several of your posts while lurking, and Im like you and need high flavoring, this also took awhile for me to figure out
Oh Ive been smoke free for about a year with the occasional puff here and there, choking my brains out lol. Been vaping about that long as well, but it took me awhile to find a satisfying mod and tank, coils etc
I have quit a few times for several years at a time. For me the craving never ever goes away. Even when I didnt sneak a puff for years.
The smell will turn me off, but the cravings stay.
Ive read several of your posts while lurking, and Im like you and need high flavoring, this also took awhile for me to figure out
Im reading about this now, I never heard of it before.. Thank you
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The cravings that never stop, that could very easily be because you need those other tobacco alkaloids. Bear in mind though, there's a huge diff between a passing thought and a craving -- a passing thought can be totally ignored, derailed, and forgotten, just by vaping; a real craving occupies every thought and won't be banished no matter what you do, and for those, WTA is a godsend. I finally managed to get free of regular use of it back in March of 2016 after weaning down for 15 months; I still sometimes use a drop or two if I'm really depressed, or anxious, or just stressed out, and it really settles me, but I could not make the cravings go away till I used it, starting in August of 2014. Real cravings, I simply won't tolerate -- if ALL I can think of is smoking, well by hell, I'm gonna smoke, that's all there is to it. But thx to the WTA, I've been smoke-free over 3 and a half yrs now.
If cravings are making staying smoke-free nothing but a misery, you really should try it out. If you can get by without smoking or being too miserable about not smoking, it's better to forego WTA, because it's nearly as hard to get free of as cigarettes -- just easier to wean from, since it's a liquid you add to your ejuice.
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You answered my question hehe. Im definitely trying this. Its a craving not a passing thought, and I will take a puff here and there of my husbands cig when it gets so bad . Instant relief. Mind you I have totally quit before for 2 years without doing this, but it gets harder to do each time I try.
Health issues are my reasoning now to quit, where as before I wanted to quit.. this time I didnt want to but knew I needed to.
Where do you order from? Ill check my usual suppliers but I swear i would have noticed if they had this
Health issues are my reasoning now to quit, where as before I wanted to quit.. this time I didnt want to but knew I needed to.
Where do you order from? Ill check my usual suppliers but I swear i would have noticed if they had this
Heck after 3 years I still have an occasional craving for a smoke.
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No, never tried NETs; I got off of cigarette/tobacco flavors within just a few months after I started vaping; just don't like the taste at all. And NETs might have a TINY SMIDGE of some of the other alkaloids, but nothing like an effective dose. WTA doesn't really have much of a taste or smell, or at least, maybe somewhat similar to a non-flavored nic-only vape, which suited me just fine, adding it to my strawberry & cream ADV -- I did need to use a lot more sweetener at first, since the WTA was a full 10% of my vape, but that was really the only "taste" issue. I got the 24mg WTA, and added it to my recipe at 10%, then used nicotine to make up the rest (at the time, I was vaping 10mg nicotine), plus all the regular flavorings.
10mg nic was the highest I could ever go with nicotine without extreme nausea, which was just another reason why I needed the WTA so desperately -- I smoked ultra-lights for about the last 20 yrs I smoked, which don't have much nicotine -- but they do contain the full complement of the other tobacco alkaloids.
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I only started vaping tobacco flavors recently. I never thought I would like them, but I found I do when mixed with something nutty and sweet. I started vaping at 3mg if you can believe that , after 2 + packs/day. I increased to 6 mg then, 9mg for a few days, and felt no difference in cravings, so I went back down to 3mg.
I also smoke ultra lights and I know the nic is not my problem. I even went to 0 nic and couldnt notice a difference.
Your suggestion is giving me hope! I need to try this
I also smoke ultra lights and I know the nic is not my problem. I even went to 0 nic and couldnt notice a difference.
Your suggestion is giving me hope! I need to try this
Ugh I know, this is something Im convinced wont go away. I just hope it will get more manageable because it makes me so antsy to think about it so much
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That, I really don't know, since the place I used to order from sold to another vendor, and I don't know if they still go by the same name -- which was Wholecig.com. I'd suggest google. The other vendor I know is aromaejuice.com, but their "real WTA" liquid is ungodly expensive; they also offer "WTA-infused" ejuices, but they don't contain much WTA, only a smidge, and the rest of the mg content made up by plain nicotine.
Another I used to order from, I don't know if they're still around, called mothersmilkwta.com -- and if you like tobacco flavors, you might like theirs a lot; their product is quite cloudy rather than clear, with a much stronger scent of tobacco or nicotine, but is every bit as effective -- it just costs a LOT less than Aroma's.
The not-wanting-to might be another reason why the cravings are lingering -- it takes a mind to defeat a brain, and if the mind isn't 100% on-board with the project, it makes the whole thing a lot harder. And you're right, it absolutely does get harder -- first time I tried quitting was cold turkey, back in 1984, after only 9 yrs as a smoker -- lasted 3 months before I couldn't stand it another instant. Since then, I tried twice with the patch, and each time, lasted about a week before I was a complete and utter wreck, and my son was begging me to start smoking again so I'd stop being psycho.
With vaping, the first quit was practically effortless; it was just so new and novel, I really had no cravings to speak of, just blessed gratitude to be both not-smoking and not-psycho.
Then my appendix went kerblooie, had an emergency appendectomy and a horrible recuperation, and relapsed to dual-use for about a month before I could talk myself into laying down the smokes again -- and then when I finally did, and was very happily smoke-free again, the damn cravings came back after 10 days. That's when I started the WTA, and it totally removed the cravings, just pft, vanished, so I didn't have to relapse again.Andria
Here is my tobacco vape recipe.
Cromwells Camel
it is for 120 ml so do the math to reduce the volume.
3 ml Hangsen Desert Ship
30 drops TFA Brown Sugar Extract
30 drops FW Butterscotch. Just the plain old butterscotch not the ripple, natural, etc
6 drops FA liquid amber
Nic to suit you.
I use 50/50 PG/VG but use what you like.
Well I commend you for sticking with it . Its a great accomplishment.
Even when I wanted to quit and did so for 2 years, the craving never stopped. I do have great will power though and got through it. Then when diagnosed with cancer I actually started smoking again.. stupidest thing you ever heard I am sure lol. Months later the chemo made it so discusting I quit again without trying. Just the smell made me physically ill.
After recovering from chemo a year later I started occasionally smoking here and there, then was up to 2.5 packs before i knew it. Found vaping and been trying to find the right mix,mod, atty, ever since. Im getting closer after many trials errors and umpteen mods, but not totally there yet.
I did just locate the aroma link. Im surprised its only sold in 15ml bottles!! Im guessing I need to remix my juices with no nic and add this to the tank as needed and not use all the time.
Even when I wanted to quit and did so for 2 years, the craving never stopped. I do have great will power though and got through it. Then when diagnosed with cancer I actually started smoking again.. stupidest thing you ever heard I am sure lol. Months later the chemo made it so discusting I quit again without trying. Just the smell made me physically ill.
After recovering from chemo a year later I started occasionally smoking here and there, then was up to 2.5 packs before i knew it. Found vaping and been trying to find the right mix,mod, atty, ever since. Im getting closer after many trials errors and umpteen mods, but not totally there yet.
I did just locate the aroma link. Im surprised its only sold in 15ml bottles!! Im guessing I need to remix my juices with no nic and add this to the tank as needed and not use all the time.
I love desert ship. Im going to go mix this right now.. I mix by weight but I think the ELR calculator will adjust it for me
I just ordered the wta (hopefully the correct one) there was 2 unflavored for DIY and I chose the one with the most reviews lol..
Thank you both!!
The drops I listed work out to around 35/ml
Just never got around to converting that part of the recipe.
also it is pretty much shake and vape but better after a couple of days.
great ty.. I was going to use 20/ml. Ill mix a large bottle so will have to try S&V then let it steep.
Had to redo my order for the WTA since I wanted to hit free shipping and found a coupon code too. The nic levels are all screwy but Ill mix them to get what I want even though the flavored ones are supposed to be vape ready
Just sat to mix yours now!!
Qty Description Price Each Total
1 VS DIY Unflavored WTA (100% VG)
2 RY 4
2 555
Had to redo my order for the WTA since I wanted to hit free shipping and found a coupon code too. The nic levels are all screwy but Ill mix them to get what I want even though the flavored ones are supposed to be vape ready
Just sat to mix yours now!!
Qty Description Price Each Total
1 VS DIY Unflavored WTA (100% VG)
- Size:15ml
- Dosage Strength:High WTA 24 MG
2 RY 4
- Price Each: $4.95
- Size:30ml +$8.50
- Dosage:6 MG
2 555
- Price Each: $4.95
- Size:30ml +$8.50
- Dosage:High 24 MG
Hey! Isn't this the middle of March? Snowing like a sumbits out there and lots of accumulation...
<grumble grumble> and coffee won't fix it
<grumble grumble> and coffee won't fix it
That's why I put the grumbles in there... the first post on this page is Crom grumbling.
Just continuing the tradition...
Just continuing the tradition...
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Um, no... just make your regular recipe, and add the WTA as one of the ingredients -- providing you can specify a nic level for the individual ingredients in whatever calc you use? That's the major reason I started using this one: http://www.ecigvape.com/pvn_calculator.php -- because you can set a nic level and PG/VG ratio for each ingredient, not just one and done as so many retarded calculators do. This really only works if you use Aroma's clear unflavored, it's the only one of theirs that's actual WTA -- their WTA-infused ejuice is barely worth being associated with WTA at all, it's got so little WTA in it.
Andria
(and those juices of theirs are only "vape ready" if you can handle a shitload of VG without choking to death -- I can't! Even their highest-PG is only 70/30, which is more than twice as much VG as I can handle, at my usual 86/14 ratio)
Ah ok Andria. I use the ELR calculator, I looked at ecigs before and none were for weight or didnt allow enough flavors. But I can work it out on the ELR np.
The one main unflavored I got I guess is right. As far as the others ready one I thought I would try. I normally mix at 80/20 but can handle 70/30. Any more pg than that and i cough.. Your issue is with VG? not PG?? Usually its the other way around!
The one main unflavored I got I guess is right. As far as the others ready one I thought I would try. I normally mix at 80/20 but can handle 70/30. Any more pg than that and i cough.. Your issue is with VG? not PG?? Usually its the other way around!
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Just tasted this and its very good. I might bump up the flavor 10% or so, but that's my taste buds being half dead. I was impressed at the 4.5 % flavor total and being able to taste it. Ill steep the 60ml now a few days
Its a keeper ty!!
Just tasted this and its very good. I might bump up the flavor 10% or so, but that's my taste buds being half dead. I was impressed at the 4.5 % flavor total and being able to taste it. Ill steep the 60ml now a few days
Its a keeper ty!!
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VG is just too thick, it's like trying to breathe jello or something. Nasty stuff. Makes me feel CONSTANTLY like I need to hawk something, but nothing will come up, no matter if I cough till I gag and give myself a nosebleed.
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I always put highest % first since its the majority, *80 is vg. Never heard of anyone with that issue with vg, wow. I cough with high pg but it goes away after awhile, but just as easy to change to lower %. I take long pulls at high watts Normally, and this seems to effect it also
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VG makes me cough, probably not as bad as Andria, but to the point that I'm not going to put up with it. I can do 50/50, but 30/70 is beyond me.
I've been wondering how that ratio actually should be stated, so it's pg, then vg, correct?
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Late to the party as usual.
All this talk of mixing got me to check my stock of flavors (probably have enough PG, VG and Nic for another year before having to reorder) so I am working on a big list for BCF.
First thing on my list was a 30ml bottle of Hangsen Cohiba. 5% ratio and I mix a 30ml bottle at a time and add 3 drops of cotton candy at the end. Kinda a cross between a cigar and RY4.
All this talk of mixing got me to check my stock of flavors (probably have enough PG, VG and Nic for another year before having to reorder) so I am working on a big list for BCF.
First thing on my list was a 30ml bottle of Hangsen Cohiba. 5% ratio and I mix a 30ml bottle at a time and add 3 drops of cotton candy at the end. Kinda a cross between a cigar and RY4.
depends who you ask lol. Normally highest percentage is listed first.. in vape communities for some reason its other way around. pg/vg
Better late than never! Looks like I may have to try this too!! I just did big order too from BCF, then realized I forgot the main thing I wanted, and ordered again the next day. They shipped so fast I couldnt add on haha.
I vape "Max VG" (that would say 100% if the carrier fluids in the flavors were not PG) and have no problem whatsoever with it. I also have some 50:50 and have no problems with that either. But then I do not have all the illnesses that Andria has, which likely is the difference in tolerance.
OH did you guys take advantage of the .79 cent sale and free shipping @ http://www.onedropflavors.com/
One Drop Flavors by Real Flavors
All 16 flavors in 30ml bottles come to like $12 shipped. Hard to pass up!!
One Drop Flavors by Real Flavors
All 16 flavors in 30ml bottles come to like $12 shipped. Hard to pass up!!
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I ordered about 7 of their flavors, just enough to get myself over the $5.00 mark.
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I see they don't have a thing where you select nicotine level or pg/VG?
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BCF has gotten one hell of a lot better about shipping.
Back in the day, it could be a couple of three days before it went out the door.
Yes it says this
One Drop Flavors specializes in the All Natural Extracts in PG (Water Soluble) flavors. Each natural flavor we make is ready to be used in your next recipe.
These are flavors so there is no nic invoved. Its for mixing
One Drop Flavors are a new type of flavorings from our parent company Real Flavors that are designed to be added directly to your next eliquid recipe. Our flavors are perfect to boost the flavor profile of any eliquid as well!
One Drop Flavors brings you a selection of all natural PG based flavoring direct from nature. One Drop Flavors is a branch of Real Flavors. All flavors are made in a FDA certified laboratory capable of serving all types of industries from food and beverage to eLiquid.
One Drop Flavors specializes in the All Natural Extracts in PG (Water Soluble) flavors. Each natural flavor we make is ready to be used in your next recipe.
One Drop Flavors brings you a selection of all natural PG based flavoring direct from nature. One Drop Flavors is a branch of Real Flavors. All flavors are made in a FDA certified laboratory capable of serving all types of industries from food and beverage to eLiquid.
One Drop Flavors specializes in the All Natural Extracts in PG (Water Soluble) flavors. Each natural flavor we make is ready to be used in your next recipe.
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I have a hard time with VG also - makes me congested and cough until I hawk up a monster from my throat that resembles small jellyfish
I am a founding member of the Bitch and Moan (BAM) crew \/ \/ \/
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It really is a nice "Shake and Vape" flavor on its own.
But for whatever reason, I find that I add a drop or three of Cotton Candy per 30ml bottle
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Sadly, I ordered a couple of Real Flavors........Well flavors.
Total waste of money IMHO.
The owner offered to replace them or give me proper additives but never made the offer good.
Still got them. Kinda thinking of using them for Mouse poison if the little furry bastards ever come back.
That's why I put the grumbles in there... the first post on this page is Crom grumbling.
Just continuing the tradition...
And that grumbling was before I took the wife unit shopping and got home to my water heater pissing in the basement...
Just got back from getting a new water heater and the stuff to hook it in.
Of course the sizes have changed on them due to more insulation being required, so some re-plumbing is required.
GRUMBLE GRUMBLE