I'd be glad to send you a Juul for your crown
EDIT: Authentic of course
I'd be glad to send you a Juul for your crown
EDIT: Authentic of course
Brown-noserBlatant suckup to my favorite reviewer - plain and simple
Brown-noser
BAM crew
you don't know what your talking about, by your own admission you don't buy their gear..you have no real idea of who and what they do..I've had modders bend over backwards to help me. I've had them go to ridiculous lengths to be of help, far beyond the price of their gear...Hardware makers are only interested in profit.
No noble stuff going on there.
So new merlin 22mm RTA Reviews , why are they saying look can do both dtl and MTL then only building it for dtl like the other 100 tanks before it
Why put a huge coil in then say look mtl ?? really are they that lazy to not even attempt a simple wire build to show it in MTL claiming its dual use to promote it but not even trying or showing it says it all there just so dam lazy arsed videos now watched 3 different ones all used Included coil , none but a MTL but claimed it does it without showing an they get paid for that,
Throw in big build Airflow wide open they so stuck on look CLOUDS (my job is done here there thinking) ,
another example of lazy reviewers,
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If comes with the adaptor surely they can wind a simple coil and wick it ,And it's FAR more challenging these days to get a good, satisfying, tight-draw MtL vape, than any of this cloudz bro shit. The fact of making thick annoying clouds doesn't say a single thing about how that vape TASTES.
Andria
I think clones are awesome, since I'm poor, and want to vape. And my 2 cloned original Achilles beat the SHIT out of my authentic Achilles II, which is the biggest piece of shit I own.
Clones are authentics that are priced normally for the thinking people market. Also, in the case of RDAs, very often clones and authentics are made by the same Chinese factory.
I've had some better than orignal and some just terrible , but many now know to go with certain makers , Yes Brand named clones HA ha how Ironic , there still a few Vape snobs that are disgusted with clones , But im sure its more butt hurt than the , Oh think of the guy who Designed it there work being stolen where as many get them made cheap in china an then over chargeSometimes clones are just as good, sometimes clones barely resemble the OG, sometimes clones vape as well but are not well made well enough to last very long
there still a few Vape snobs that are disgusted with clones , But im sure its more butt hurt than the , Oh think of the guy who Designed it there work being stolen
I'm a snob, I don't agree with clones and yes I know many modmakers that have had their designs stolen.
Thats it exactly , and if there a more reasonable price more would buy them, also the fact that many also take ques and parts from previous released items so not always Original ideas of there own , either way,Modmakers who make their mods themselves have all my respect. But most outsource to China - and then they get their pants in a knot when them Chinese turn around and sell the exact same hardware from the exact same production line for 5x less. I say fuck the latter - and they're a majority.
I buy clones, unless there's a compelling moral reason not to - and there usually isn't.
To many vapers now more flavor just means more juice vaporized.And it's FAR more challenging these days to get a good, satisfying, tight-draw MtL vape, than any of this cloudz bro shit. The fact of making thick annoying clouds doesn't say a single thing about how that vape TASTES.
Andria
There are a lot of former smokers where a large problem with giving up the Stinkies wasn't the nicotine, it is the feel of the draw and exhale. This is where I fall and why the gum, patch, etc never worked. What keeps us off the Stinkies is the feeling of drawing a healthy hit and exhaling a respectable cloud where MTL can't fulfill.To many vapers now more flavor just means more juice vaporized.
The American thing of bigger is better ?
American Adult obesity is at an all time high
Thats it exactly , and if there a more reasonable price more would buy them, also the fact that many also take ques and parts from previous released items so not always Original ideas of there own , either way,
with similar decks
Similar chambers and JFC
so there copying each other ,
as well, then where told the Chinese are stealing there Design that they stole from others , swings and roundabouts TBH,
Add to that
When said modder only release X amounts making it unavailable,
To keep price and demand high a deliberate tactic to fuel the hype,
that bites them in the arse when its cloned,
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There are a lot of former smokers where a large problem with giving up the Stinkies wasn't the nicotine, it is the feel of the draw and exhale. This is where I fall and why the gum, patch, etc never worked. What keeps us off the Stinkies is the feeling of drawing a healthy hit and exhaling a respectable cloud where MTL can't fulfill.
This is the wonderful thing about Vaping, one size does not fit all.
Not at allI buy clones and cheap mods because they are what I can afford to buy.
if I had to buy a 2-300 $ authentic mod and ~$100 attys to get off of smokes I would still be smoking.
That is the truth of it.
Clones and cheap mods allow more people to switch from smoking to vaping.
This is a bad thing?
Ohh some doQuite honestly, I don't think anyone cares.
no that isn't the truth of it..since day one there has been original chinese vape gear... UD and others have been making original stuff for years..drippers,gennys and tanks...there has always been cheap gear you could vape on without using clones.I buy clones and cheap mods because they are what I can afford to buy.
if I had to buy a 2-300 $ authentic mod and ~$100 attys to get off of smokes I would still be smoking.
That is the truth of it.
Clones and cheap mods allow more people to switch from smoking to vaping.
This is a bad thing?
modders don't make small batches because they are hyping the price that is nonsense..alot of modders work by themselves or with just a couple of other people they physically can't make large batches...It is us who keep the price of authentic gear high not the modders it is the vaping community when we buy clones which keep the prices of quality gear so high....Thats it exactly , and if there a more reasonable price more would buy them, also the fact that many also take ques and parts from previous released items so not always Original ideas of there own , either way,
with similar decks
Similar chambers and JFC
so there copying each other ,
as well, then where told the Chinese are stealing there Design that they stole from others , swings and roundabouts TBH,
Add to that
When said modder only release X amounts making it unavailable,
To keep price and demand high a deliberate tactic to fuel the hype,
that bites them in the arse when its cloned,
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Who said anything about modders cutting their price?modders don't make small batches because they are hyping the price that is nonsense..alot of modders work by themselves or with just a couple of other people they physically can't make large batches...It is us who keep the price of authentic gear high not the modders it is the vaping community when we buy clones which keep the prices of quality gear so high....
What is the point of a modder spending all the time and money making 3,000 attys and being able to cut his price from 170.00 for an atty down to say 60.00 for an atty....when the chinese can sell the clone for 9.00...You would have the same chiseling fucks saying the price of 60.00 was gouging them and the modders were all pigs blah blah blah and it was the modders fault they couldn't quit smoking blah blah blah....this from the same people who were spending a helluva alot of money on cigarettes, and cable TV, and junk food, and recreational pharmacutecals, and internet porn..have the gall to blame the modders for them not being able to kick their smoking habit....we..us..are the reason the price of authentic gear is so high
I buy clones and cheap mods because they are what I can afford to buy.
are you being purposely obtuse????Who said anything about modders cutting their price?
They are entitled to ask what they want for their product same as anyone is.
Most of them could sell 10X the amount that they do at the same price.
For some of the most expensive ones the market might not support that volume?
But for most of them the market would support their price asked.
I have no problem at all with reviewers getting free gear. Unless they are obvious shills.Exactly. And look who's always pro-authentics and anti-clones: it's always the goddamn reviewers, who get most of their vape gear for free, and don't even have the decency to keep their opinion to themselves on that particular matter.
it is not a matter of pro or con..it is a matter of us being honest about how the market got to the point of where it is at...and our roles in it.Exactly. And look who's always pro-authentics and anti-clones: it's always the goddamn reviewers, who get most of their vape gear for free, and don't even have the decency to keep their opinion to themselves on that particular matter.
I have no problem at all with reviewers getting free gear. Unless they are obvious shills.
all hobbyist vapes have an opinion on clones vs authentic.
I suspect that the majority of vapers do not care one way or the other, they are just glad to be off of cigs.
I got all my Smok gear for free, won it.If I got all my vape gear for free, I too would be pro-authentics. That's why those who don't pay for nice stuff with their own money should keep their trap shut about what they think about the stuff they don't pay for. I bet most of the reviewers who piss on the clones haven't even tried one...
you are like the college snowflakes bobby you need a safe space so the faulty logic of your imagined victimhood is never called into question..I knew I should not have clicked on Show ignored content from Pulsevape...
A futile hope for a reasonable conversation from some.
I got all my Smok gear for free, won it.
I am still NOT pro Smok.
Clones are authentics that are priced normally for the thinking people market. Also, in the case of RDAs, very often clones and authentics are made by the same Chinese factory.
If I got all my vape gear for free, I too would be pro-authentics. That's why those who don't pay for nice stuff with their own money should keep their trap shut about what they think about the stuff they don't pay for. I bet most of the reviewers who piss on the clones haven't even tried one...
don't be silly of course they have tried clones....and they do buy authentic gear they really want sometimes just like us...If I got all my vape gear for free, I too would be pro-authentics. That's why those who don't pay for nice stuff with their own money should keep their trap shut about what they think about the stuff they don't pay for. I bet most of the reviewers who piss on the clones haven't even tried one...
Most reviewers seem to soft shoe dance around any criticism of vape gear they review.Yes, but you don't have a business based on Smok sending you more free shit to review in the future. That's the difference.
It was a Ukraine mafia thingIn the case of the Achilles, Chinese Yeahsmo beats Ukraine authentic all to hell and back -- and cost 1/4 as much, yet still made of titanium. The clones don't leak -- the authentic does. Leaking is about the NUMBER ONE thing an atty is NOT supposed to do!
It was a Ukraine mafia thing
don't be silly of course they have tried clones....and they do buy authentic gear they really want sometimes just like us...
Everyone has an opinion they just use their channels to promote theirs.No: *WE* buy *ALL* of our gear. Just because the reviewers *sometimes* deign forking off a little money like the rest of us doesn't give them the right to participate in the clone vs. authentic debate.
the have as much of a right as anybody else, and the have more knowledge on the issue than most vapers...you are speaking from a place of envy and not logic. most reviewers have spent more of their personal cash on gear than any of us has...No: *WE* buy *ALL* of our gear. Just because the reviewers *sometimes* deign forking off a little money like the rest of us doesn't give them the right to participate in the clone vs. authentic debate.
No: *WE* buy *ALL* of our gear. Just because the reviewers *sometimes* deign forking off a little money like the rest of us doesn't give them the right to participate in the clone vs. authentic debate.
Not at all
I've said since I started vaping:
I sometimes buy clones to try before I buy, then buy the authentic if I like them. If it's something I know without a doubt, I will like, than I buy the authentic.
I do that because of personal choice. I have never and will never say otherwise. Alot of times, I will buy three clones and an authentic and cross reference similarities, so that I can tell people which clone is closer and what to stay away from. -SOMETHING that I know was useful with the previous kayfun and hadaly variations.
Altogether, it doesn't matter what a person uses, so long as it keeps them off tobacco. Quite honestly, I don't think anyone cares.
BAM crew