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But you aren't willing to sacrifice your income for a week to show that you can do only logo less clones? and maybe pimp some authentic's?

We do pimp authentics.. When there is a deal. We arent going to simply put a legit up thats the same price everywhere.
 

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We run deals, simply put. Where logoless clones are available, we run them. At this time, the majority of clones are not logoless..... now please don't make me reiterate that putting an unoriginal or royalty free logo on an authentic gives modders no room for whining when logos get copied.


ummm....think you reiterated. ;)
 

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But you aren't willing to sacrifice your income for a week to show that you can do only logo less clones? and maybe pimp some authentic's?
Did you really just say that? Why do you imagine that I have anything to prove to you? I should be more concerned about the sales of authentic makers (like the asshats in the video) than putting food in my son's mouth? How much do you think I make that I should concern myself with "pimping authentics"? If I were looking to lose a weeks income, I'd do it putting free gear into the hands of new and financially challenged vapers, not giving guys like we saw in that video a moment's free press.

First of, when a DEAL exists on an original or something innovative breaks, well talk about it, but I run a deals blog, not a blog for inflated ticket metal tubes that elitists think should have some artificial market protection. If authentics are so great, they'll garner sales on their own merits....... won't they?
 

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We're on two ends of a spectrum people who support good craftsmanship and art and trolling and people who earn on clones it will be a heaven and hell eternal struggle and nobody will win why are we still arguing. Lets just make sandcastles.
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Did you really just say that? Why do you imagine that I have anything to prove to you? I should be more concerned about the sales of authentic makers (like the asshats in the video) than putting food in my son's mouth? How much do you think I make that I should concern myself with "pimping authentics"? If I were looking to lose a weeks income, I'd do it putting free gear into the hands of new and financially challenged vapers, not giving guys like we saw in that video a moment's free press.

First of, when a DEAL exists on an original or something innovative breaks, well talk about it, but I run a deals blog, not a blog for inflated ticket metal tubes that elitists think should have some artificial market protection. If authentics are so great, they'll garner sales on their own merits....... won't they?


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Did you really just say that? Why do you imagine that I have anything to prove to you? I should be more concerned about the sales of authentic makers (like the asshats in the video) than putting food in my son's mouth? How much do you think I make that I should concern myself with "pimping authentics"? If I were looking to lose a weeks income, I'd do it putting free gear into the hands of new and financially challenged vapers, not giving guys like we saw in that video a moment's free press.

First of, when a DEAL exists on an original or something innovative breaks, well talk about it, but I run a deals blog, not a blog for inflated ticket metal tubes that elitists think should have some artificial market protection. If authentics are so great, they'll garner sales on their own merits....... won't they?

I'm not saying don't feed your son but come on you guys are in a position that people listen to you and to just tell people how great this shit coming from china is insane. I wish there were more unbiased opinions here but everyone seems to have their own agendas. Call me an elitist call me a prick. But I support small business I buy authentic and I make no money off of it.
 

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Haven't seen an effective blanket bullshit declaration like that in a while ... good job! :D
just for the record I'm not anti-boob or up in arms about "booth girls." my issue is that it perpetuates a stereotype of "vaping culture" when a more intelligent perception is needed.

not to mention sex - which I'm all for!
i agree with you, carla....but you are fighting a losing battle. boobs sell products to men....from hamburgers to cars (which is why i can't sell squat)
 

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just for the record I'm not anti-boob or up in arms about "booth girls." my issue is that it perpetuates a stereotype of "vaping culture" when a more intelligent perception is needed.

not to mention sex - which I'm all for!

it does have a kind of Sturgis motorcycle rally type imagery, doesn't it? not what i'd shoot for, but hey, i'm not in charge.
 
I'm not saying don't feed your son but come on you guys are in a position that people listen to you and to just tell people how great this shit coming from china is insane. I wish there were more unbiased opinions here but everyone seems to have their own agendas. Call me an elitist call me a prick. But I support small business I buy authentic and I make no money off of it.
...I'm back...you say you are for small business and yet you bad mouth ones like Artemis Mods and suggest I buy instead from tobeco/vape101, wtf?
 

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Fucking idiots verbally assaulted the IJOY staff on video and then posted it.....way to show your IQ and understanding of the law lol, enjoy the countersuit....and for your information, you can do whatever you want with Cease and Desist papers...not a felony to file them in the trash. Ass clowns made themselves look like fucking idiots, I will NEVER support any of those lames. Fuck Kryptonite. Fuck all Authentic Mech mods and Authentic RDA RBA's....you guys got to watch the video if you have not seen it already.
Again, they can say whatever the fuck they want, professional looking? Not in that situation, but there is no way a counter suit could be filed. It's all a joke. I will reiterate, though, that was not proper service and therefore it holds absolutely no water. No different than if they weren't served at all. And nothing occurred that would be verbal assault, they were just boneheads looking for attention.

Also, I just checked the state laws, since I thought it was in CA, and you have to be licensed bonded and insured to be a server there, so they can't even serve them properly if they wanted to. It's all a joke, and I still want to know if the "server" is affiliated with the issue, since that's one more thing that nullifies the serve.

I know I'm stuck on the serving, it's just that I know that job well, and I have my suspicions that these guys WERE interested parties. And again, they can't even serve in CA in the first place. NY and CA have some of the strictest requirements to serve papers. There was a huge issue with "sewer serving" in NYC specifically that changed a lot of things. People were just dropping papers, frequently in the sewer, and by the time a motion and citation for contempt was initiated, I.E. a court date, these people would have no idea that it existed, and have bench warrants. Fucking stupid.
 

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I'm not saying don't feed your son but come on you guys are in a position that people listen to you and to just tell people how great this shit coming from china is insane. I wish there were more unbiased opinions here but everyone seems to have their own agendas. Call me an elitist call me a prick. But I support small business I buy authentic and I make no money off of it.
Sorry, but you turned it into a cause. And I should really have put a finer point on my reply. There are innovative modders doing things at reasonable price points. I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about elitist pricks who keep supply artificially low, prices artificially high and have a grossly inflated idea of how much their metal tube (often with stolen or unlicensed or unlicenseable 'logo') is worth. "Pimping" those guys is not a 'cause' that makes my list. If I had to put it on my list, it would fall somewhere after opening a voop museum of art, and trying every flavour of Dekang ever made..... well below ensuring that economical options exist to allow every vaper on every budget can enjoy a decent Vape.

Authentic lovers and collectors should enjoy themselves too..... short of the mark where they get to attempt to control how the rest of vapedom spends their money.
 

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I have served people in Cali....non licensed and non bonded and non insured when I did so. I have also been arrested for verbal assault. You google failed.
 
They could have done things more professionally yes. They didn't have to embarrass the vendors. That shit is childish. Shows how their real character. A vape con is a vape con is a vape con is a vape con. If you don't like it. Then leave. Anybody who is hosting is allowed to throw down their own rules. If it means less than half a turn out for vendors next year, then so be it.
 

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I have served people in Cali....non licensed and non bonded and non insured when I did so. I have also been arrested for verbal assault. You google failed.
It appears you can serve 10 papers without being licensed, I missed that. If you were arrested for verbal assault, I assume you threatened them. If not, CA has some fucked up laws. In CO we are actually protected very well, since we are acting as civil servants in an essential task to keep the courts moving. We can't be charged for trespassing for instance as long as you leave when asked, however, you can walk to the sidewalk, and walk right back. It's fun to do when being treated like shit. And we can't be charged for harassment either, unless we threaten them.

Also, police here tend to have respect for servers and help a lot. They realize it's a dangerous job and we are putting ourselves out there. No need to "google fail" me, I'm not trying to argue man. The point is, no matter what that wasn't proper service. It just makes it such a joke. I'll get off the serving law shit now. I was mistaken on the ten paper rule.
 

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Cali has very fucked up laws....hence the move. Fuck Cali. I was a known gang member at the time, that might have had something to do with it, but in cali, if you gang up on someone yelling fuck you like that, you are fish bait for the piggies....especially in Ontario.
 

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I don't even make mods or sell them. I mentioned in my first post that I am in the jewelry manufacturing industry. Therefore, every insult you have already thrown at me doesn't effect me whatsoever, lol.

Now I have a stack of engraved kayfuns that we'll never get my money back on, because FT sells them for 2 bucks, a price that I cannot beat.

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You should google what a kayfun chimney is instead of posting pictures of your sex partners.
 

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Did you really just say that? Why do you imagine that I have anything to prove to you? I should be more concerned about the sales of authentic makers (like the asshats in the video) than putting food in my son's mouth? How much do you think I make that I should concern myself with "pimping authentics"? If I were looking to lose a weeks income, I'd do it putting free gear into the hands of new and financially challenged vapers, not giving guys like we saw in that video a moment's free press.

First of, when a DEAL exists on an original or something innovative breaks, well talk about it, but I run a deals blog, not a blog for inflated ticket metal tubes that elitists think should have some artificial market protection. If authentics are so great, they'll garner sales on their own merits....... won't they?

I really just want to clarify something, because you've been repeating yourself over and over, it doesn't necessarily have to do with your quote above, just wanted to say that the definition of counterfeit is subjective. That is the only instance, in which the definition involves the word "deceive", and only for the adj. form. Counterfeit used as a noun, just means something that is created in close imitation to another product.


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well if it says it in a dictionary it must be right. what if a dictionary doesn't list a word? Are we using fake words?
 

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As with any business you have to go about things the right way. If you have a product, logo and specific design that no one else is using, copy right it before putting it out there. If on the other hand you do have a copy right and you then produce and sell said object and it gets cloned you have options that will help you out. First thing you do is to contact the manufacture and customs to have all importing of said clone stopped. Next you offer a deal to the cloners: 5, 10 or 20% royalties. If they accept you then contact customs and have the moratorium lifted so that you are still making money on the clones.
You dont just 'call customs' and have the importing stopped... You must first sue in court. The Judge then bans the sale of said item, if you win.
 

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they will just remove the logos, like the chana mods are in the process of doing right now...
 

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I really just want to clarify something, because you've been repeating yourself over and over, it doesn't necessarily have to do with your quote above, just wanted to say that the definition of counterfeit is subjective. That is the only instance, in which the definition involves the word "deceive", and only for the adj. form. Counterfeit used as a noun, just means something that is created in close imitation to another product.


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I disagree. All three of your usages, adjective, noun, and verb, clearly imply the idea that the copy is being passed off as authentic. When a clone is called a clone, the counterfeit argument falls apart. SAYING it's a copy means you're not counterfeiting (verb), promoting a counterfeit (noun) or pushing counterfeit merchandise (adjective).
 

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I disagree. All three of your usages, adjective, noun, and verb, clearly imply the idea that the copy is being passed off as authentic. When a clone is called a clone, the counterfeit argument falls apart. SAYING it's a copy means you're not counterfeiting (verb), promoting a counterfeit (noun) or pushing counterfeit merchandise (adjective).

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I really just want to clarify something, because you've been repeating yourself over and over, it doesn't necessarily have to do with your quote above, just wanted to say that the definition of counterfeit is subjective. That is the only instance, in which the definition involves the word "deceive", and only for the adj. form. Counterfeit used as a noun, just means something that is created in close imitation to another product.


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Please read this:

You guys, this debate will go on for eternity. I personally don't know where I stand, I own more authentics than clones, and have experienced firsthand the difference in quality between the two. That doesn't mean I don't like to save money here and there, but I'm a jeweler by trade and thus pay extensive attention to fine detail. For me, especially in my trade, quality always comes first.

Now beyond that, even if China can come up to par quality-wise with the originals, let me just tell you something that really really sucks about this whole clone situation. I personally engraved and created the LA and Punisher logo Kayfun chimneys for a shop in SoCal. My engraving machine was 60k, and is the best on the market. It took 3 8-hour work shifts to finish 100 pieces, at $5 bucks a pop cost.

Next thing you know, Joe posted that they had copied the idea (seriously couldn't come up with their own picture to engrave? Literally stole the exact images!)

Now I have a stack of engraved kayfuns that we'll never get my money back on, because FT sells them for 2 bucks, a price that I cannot beat.

Tell me why you guys think this is fair? The same thing is happening to the creator of the Chuff Enuff, us small time guys aren't outsourcing to China like that, were doing it in our own backyard. Now FT sells the Chuff Enuff drip top cap for $2. All of that persons goods and time invested are now completely worthless.

You guys need to understand that 50% of people involved in doing this are not huge booming companies with pockets as deep as the Pacific. it's every day guys like you and me, who come on these boards and want to give the community what they want. But in the end, we all need to make a living.
First off, I dont anybody has said that coping logo's and original designs is 'fair'. In fact, all I see written is that logo's, if original should be off limits and most would rather NOT have a copied logo if given the choice.

Second, as already pointed out, the most copied logo's on clones are already ripped logo's/designs! So, ripping off of a design is ok for the original mod maker, but not by China....?
 

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I disagree. All three of your usages, adjective, noun, and verb, clearly imply the idea that the copy is being passed off as authentic. When a clone is called a clone, the counterfeit argument falls apart. SAYING it's a copy means you're not counterfeiting (verb), promoting a counterfeit (noun) or pushing counterfeit merchandise (adjective).

exactly.....you will not find the word "CLONE" listed as a synonym for "COUNTERFEIT" in any dictionary (that i found anyway)
 

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OMG! That is so sweet.
I think I'm gonna be sick
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Nice!

I'm so sick of this clone, authentic shit. Get what you can afford most importantly, and what makes you happy. I have a bit of a mod addiction, and I could've gotten an authentic adding up the four clones I have. In retrospect, I'd do the same thing. I'm happy. I can't afford to drop that money at once, yes I could have saved up, but it would've gone to essentials instead. Call it bad discipline if you want, but I have no credit cards and spend money that's real that I make. I don't make a lot, at all... It's just life, and I'm happy with it. Why we have to be so judge mental about this topic boggles my mind. If you can afford authentics, do it, by all means, if not, get a good clone. This debate /argument is so tiresome. Who gives a shit what others are vaping with, they're vaping, and that's a good thing in itself.
 

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That is very solid advice, but it deviates completely from the topic at hand. Why don't all mod makers just stop making mods?

....not a solution.
Not to mention that you bought that engraving machine before deciding to use it to engrave mods... Prolly already paid off, if not close.
 

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they will just remove the logos, like the chana mods are in the process of doing right now...

People are still getting sued even though the Hana logo is off them. Just to be a dick.
 

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I disagree. All three of your usages, adjective, noun, and verb, clearly imply the idea that the copy is being passed off as authentic. When a clone is called a clone, the counterfeit argument falls apart. SAYING it's a copy means you're not counterfeiting (verb), promoting a counterfeit (noun) or pushing counterfeit merchandise (adjective).

These are all assumptions, i'm just citing the same source that you used to make your point. You are welcome to disagree, I'm glad that you have a mind of your own unlike the 1000 other posts in here i've just read. In my personal opinion I feel that if law enforcement were involved these items would be deemed counterfeit. Those little swap meets selling the fake Louis Vuitton handbags and Nike shoes that are getting raided left and right are not selling clones, they're selling counterfeits. Everyone knows that they're fake, and still choose to buy the replicas. It's the same basic idea, I just fail to see why you've drawn the line where you have.
 

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exactly.....you will not find the word "CLONE" listed as a synonym for "COUNTERFEIT" in any dictionary (that i found anyway)

That's because they are NOT synonyms :) Counterfeit comes wrapped in deceit. Clone says "I'm a copy"..... nothing very deceitful about that.
 

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Now that I think of it. I was a little harsh with my previous comment. I will "buy now" the $1,300 mod since I already bought a real bridge and a real small island. For real! I will post a link later of me vaping on the bridge next to the island I bought....where I will be hosting a Vape Meet called No Clone Con. I only want real stuff with real logos and real serial numbers because I'm just the real deal. This is not a joke nor is this a test....if you act now, I have an extra bridge, island and authentic mod (I'll throw in for free a VCT5 battery) for the low price of one million dollars. First to Paypal me at [email protected] will also become my BFF. Now how can anyone resist that deal when for a limited time, I will drop the price to two million dollars...Act Now and receive it for the lowest price I can go....three installments of only $999,999.
LOL!

Act before Midnight tonight and I'll get your money faster!! Hurry now!
 

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Not to mention that you bought that engraving machine before deciding to use it to engrave mods... Prolly already paid off, if not close.

I don't know where you're going with this, but yes it's paid off. Again, i'm not crying foul, I have greater sources of income, but there are others involved in the trade who don't have the same luxury.
 

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I own a trademark and let me tell you this, trademarks are a racket in itself....enforcing them is a joke unless you have a but load of money to go through 3 years of court proceedings....bah humbug to trademarks.
 

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I disagree. All three of your usages, adjective, noun, and verb, clearly imply the idea that the copy is being passed off as authentic. When a clone is called a clone, the counterfeit argument falls apart. SAYING it's a copy means you're not counterfeiting (verb), promoting a counterfeit (noun) or pushing counterfeit merchandise (adjective).

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is anyone else sick and tired of this by now? good grief, 20 pages of this is more than enough, don't ya think?????




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I don't know where you're going with this, but yes it's paid off. Again, i'm not crying foul, I have greater sources of income, but there are others involved in the trade who don't have the same luxury.

Now how the hell could that be "Brotha" ?
 

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People are still getting sued even though the Hana logo is off them. Just to be a dick.
it wont hold up, you can't patent dimensions or sizing unless it is design specific, which hana mods are not, so they are being sued for implying the Hana when sold, that I can understand, why in gods name would any of the cloners want to copy the logo is beyond me, most logos and applied designs are crap anyways.. And Hana only has a trademark registered. They can sue, not a guaranteed win, and again, collecting is a whole nother story. Through all of this shit, I have come to the conclusion I will NEVER purchase Hana mods, I don't want to pay out the ass to support their trigger happy lawyer..
 

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Im interested in seeing what Evolvs next steps are going to be...I wrote them a letter and posted it here in the forum, still no reply...I would hate to see the dna chip become obsolete so soon lol
 

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