This teen's vape exploded, shattering his jaw

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  1. The Cromwell

    The Cromwell The Frugal Vapist VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    I had no idea that vape battery venting/explosion injures and deaths were this high,
    I think we all should read this article just to see one factor fueling the anti vaping types.
    And to spur us to educate on battery safety more.

    Is the article totally true?
    Maybe not but I have no reason to disbelieve it although the Juul pic at the front is just wrong.

    A couple points I want to make is that the kid was underage and that any vape shop that sells a mech mod has a responsibility to make sure the purchaser knows how to use it safely and to educate on battery safety.
    I purposely did not edit the article title.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/19/health/e-cigarette-vape-explode-teen-study/index.html
     
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    As the source it cites for the "thousands" of burns/explosions does not let you read the full text of the study without paying them, we can only speculate

    Here is what I find interesting from what it will allow us to see

    Results From 2015 to 2017, there were an estimated 2035 e-cigarette explosion and burn injuries presenting to US hospital emergency departments (95% CI 1107 to 2964).

    CI is short for Confidence Interval, which is basically a guess that the authors feel is 95% likelihood to be correct

    We cannot tell how many of these emergency room visits are from people that might have burned their lip on a coil, etc

    Here is what the CDC says about cigarettes: Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smokeexposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.
     
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    As sad as this is to say, the numbers don't surprise me at all.

    This happened in my neighbor's driveway when a teen with a mech burnt his mom's car beyond recognition because he bought his mech online and had no idea what he was doing. Thermal runaway caused by uneducated mech users is a bitch for the rest of us!

    https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/mobile...al-after-vaporizer-explosion-in-car-1.2817957

    I follow a lot of these stories in the US media and when you have these cool looking mech tubes that people buy uninformed it's a recipe for disaster.
     
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    all true however these incidents are fueling anti ecig sentiments.
     
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    ANTZ cite all manner of nonsense and fake/poorly conducted studies and reports and statistics in their fight to keep the tobacco money train on track

    I'd wait and see how off the chain this "news" goes before panicking
     
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    Or, how many fires burn homes down or cause deaths from careless smoking every year? I'm sure it's far greater than the careless/uneducated mech user having a tube explode.
     
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    Ohh I am not going to panic over this.
    However I suspect that some on this board need to be better educated on mech and battery safety.
    This might prompt them to get better educated on vape safety.
    As Mooch says vaping is not safe we just minimize the risks in the area of battery safety.
    LI batteries often respond violently to abuse or damage.
    Be they in a cell phone, laptop or mech mod.
    However the other devices do have much better safety protections to minimize the risk.

    I personally think that it should be a felony to knowingly mislabel lithium cells as to their capabilities.
    Or knowingly sell such cells to vapers.
    Or knowingly import these cells for resale to vapers.
     
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    Big understatement, lol


    It is, but enforcement of consumer protection laws is pathetic
     
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    I would not believe JACK SHIT of what cnn had to say.
     
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    No news service is totally wrong or totally right. even any provider that you prefer.
    Or I prefer.

    Personally I believe that this article is mostly true.
    And mostly true is enough to alarm most.
    Here is a story on it from a Fox news affiliate:
    https://fox6now.com/2019/06/19/teens-vape-explodes-shatters-his-jaw/

    Ohh wait they quoted CNN

    LOL
     
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    vape incidents create ratings. ratings = money. they create incidents = mountain from a molehill.

    "yeah mom, my vape blew up. = oh my poor joey" actual = kid talking smack gets his face busted and blaims it on a vape so mom doesn't get pissed.

    what we see on the news is an interpretation of what really happened. and they slant it for the ratings.
     
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    I know. it was Trumps fault !
     
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    As true as that may be, and I don't disagree that it happens, let's not forget that there are a lot, too many actually, of people who get into mechs without the proper knowledge.

    How many new members come on here asking questions about a mech they just bought or are going to buy and it becomes apparent that they have no idea. These are the people who at least have the smarts to come onto a vape forum and ask questions, there are hundreds out there who don't and may just be getting lucky that their builds aren't low enough to over tax their battery.
     
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    Yep They ALL slant and play to their audience.
    They are a for profit enterprise unlike back in the day when they were a public service.

    News media today has devolved into what the National Enquirer started out being.

    I prefer just the facts, but that is very hard to filter out from all the talking heads opinions and sensationalism in ALL of the news media.
     
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    Seems like someone is trying to jinx this thread?
     
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    That lawyer is on xxxxx, 'should be a ban on owning a ecig' oh yea we will all just go and hand all our vapes over.......NOT
     
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    @Nailz
    Like Gun amnesty, turn in your unregistered firearm :facepalm:

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    Most all lawyers are on something.
    The ambulance chasing ones are the worst.
     
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    People have registered firearms?
    don't think any of mine are registered.
     
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    in no way am I saying that didn't, or doesn't, happen as stated. but there is always more to the "story", known or unknown.
    and the mainstream media leaves out what doesn't suit them.

    and yes, there are people doing all kinds of things, that they have no clue what they are doing, and hurt themselves and/or others.
     
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    yes, they do. but most, to "sway and influence' their audience, take the real news and don't "slant' it. they put it in a blender.


    "facts" yes. the mainstream media doesn't have much of any use for those pesky facts
     
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    In Canada they all have to be registered. We have some of the strictest b.s gun laws in the world. All guns must be empty of ammo and locked in a gun safe with trigger locks at all times unless you have a valid reason like cleaning, hunting permit or taking them to a firing range. Ammo has to be stored and locked in a separate locking safe/steel container.

    They also now make it extremely difficult to even get a permit to own guns. I've had one since I was 16 and luckily always grandfathered in with all the new rules, but they make you take a gun safety course now, go to the RCMP and give your fingerprints, etc, etc.

    Our government has got it so wrong, it is almost never the legal gun owners in this country that commit gun violence because the legal owners have had to go through so much to own a gun, but every time there's a big incident we get the screws turned tighter so the Government looks like they're doing something about gun violence. Everyone with a brain knows it's the stolen and illegal guns in our country that are the problem in the wrong hands.

    This is one of many areas I'm envious of you Americans and not allowing anyone to take your right to keep and bear arms.
     
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    Envious?
    The mass shootings down here are only going to get worse.
    And yes it is not the guns per sie it is the worthless humans doing it.
    But in any case it is so easy to get a gun here....
     
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    I am not envious of how easy it is to acquire guns in the US and definitely not of the mass shootings you guys have unfortunately had, but more of your constitutional right to bear arms.

    There has to be a better way in both countries to ensure that law abiding citizens have the right to own guns and keep the people who shouldn't from possessing them.

    I believe Canada has overreached, while the US just hasn't figured out a better system while not taking it too far. I'm no expert on the subject by any means when it comes to your system.
     
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    It's a bummer that both the device and the batteries in these incidents are usually destroyed to the point where it's impossible to determine the actual cause, which is guaranteed to be some version of user error most of the time. Especially in a 17 year old.

    Of course that's the point. User education is key and all due diligence should be employed to see that it happens, but if I owned a vape shop, I just don't think I'd sell mechs. It ain't worth it. NO amount of effort is going to overcome the lack of technical attentiveness and or just plain laziness of far too many people.

    That said, this article, while having SOME value, does continue the incredible display of laziness and or disinformation on the part of the news media too.

    Example:

    What?
     
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    I nominate Mooch as the Vape Battery Czar for the USA to set the battery standards for vaping.
     
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    So now some of the Truth comes out~!
     
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    Here you go son, here's a mech tube....don't know anything about it but the name sounds cool!
     
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    I just wanna blow clouds ma!
     
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    Unfortunately there is no requirement to have good sense to be a parent.
     
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    In retrospect I think that humans not having good sense tend to have more children?
     
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    The problem is in a few things. The kid was 17, so either a vapeshop sold him crap illegally or his parents bought it for him. In which case responsibility for this lies with them. Another problem, mainstream media cover these stories time and again. 30min spent researching would clue them in as to what 'ecig' would or wouldn't cause this but they're too lazy to do anything but push an agenda and regurgitate bullshit. They're 'investigative' reporters, yet claim 'we have no idea what caused this'. Short answer? Do your fucking job. That simple.

    Unfortunately there's a disconnect or a bubble between vape information and those who need it. We keep preaching battery safety in our inner circles, the ones who already 98% of the time understand battery safety. Then there's the clouds bro dudes who are teens who get advice from some friend of a dude that was some other guy's 'bruh' who told him 'it's like, all good man'. Chances are they don't want to hear battery safety in many cases, they're too kewl for skewl. They won't invest the time. Consider that with all of our best intentions to teach these kids to be smarter, these are the same kids who participate in 'butt chugging'. Plugging a keg into their ass. Yea, these kids. You can't fix that level of stupid.

    Or they simply have no idea to even look for information. Spread all the well intentioned advice within our inner circles we want but it won't reach these people it could've helped. They're mostly not in vape groups or forums where they could get the education. Nor are they watching the news, so even if the media were doing an actual community service by sharing battery safety instead of just chasing ambulances for a juicy story, they still wouldn't hear it.

    All the battery safety in the world, there's only so much batteries can do to be safe. Like a chainsaw. Put all the kickback features you want on it, at the end of the day it's still a high hp chain rotating multiple very sharp teeth with the sole purpose of cutting. Eventually you just have to be smarter than the tool. Not everyone can be tard padded enough to survive literally every pitfall. We can't engineer cactus with nerf spines so at some point, learn to walk around them and not grab them with bare hands.
     
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    As you say your no expert ,also your not a citizen, so your opinions on our system are irrelevant ...we like our guns,and our free speech... without them we would be..........Canadians,..... and who wants to do that.
     
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    You have to be kidding me.

    What's goin on here? If the mother doesn't vape, then the shop should never have sold her a mech. I'm sure she didn't say it was for her 17 year old son. They must have been able to tell she didn't know what she was asking for. And if she does vape, SHE should know better than get her 17 year old son a mech.
     
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    Exactly...which is why I said it was his stupid ass mothers fault. Someone should call CPS on this bitch
     
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    Someone could have done that when they made a News Media Report on it~! Could'a, Should'a, Would'a right?
     
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    Thinking about this is making me mad~! Where are the save the children assholes and why aren't they going after her for providing a Vaporizer to an UNDERAGE kid who almost killed himself?
     
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    I wouldnt buy into the "high rate" of these incidents, these same people say firearms are one of the leading ways to die in the USA yet the data and statistics show the opposite...12,650 people per year (excluding suicides).. Most of that 12,650 Deaths are from Gang on Gang Violence, Police Kills, and Accidental Deaths, less than a 3rd of those deaths are from Legal gun owners using them against others.

    2035 cases of Vaporizers failing is a relatively low amount of incidents considering there are over 400 Million people in the USA and millions of vapers.....
    I mean its not like Doctors (250K), Cars (40K+), Alcohol (88K+), Chainsaws (30K) or anything like that that kill so many people per year...The ratio of people that own vaporizers and the incidents of them failing is microscopic.

    Sometimes I feel Darwinism has been held back a bit too much by regulation and restrictions...now we deal with those that are unintelligent and we see the consequences of that everyday, many times making others suffer with them.
     
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    well said....our political class who seek to control the herds, has scared the stupid into the idea that freedom is dangerous, that everything and everyone, even every word people utter has to be controled so they don't stub their toes...this is going to blow up in their faces, you cannot control people anymore than you can change the currents of the sea......but then slaves, and peoples whose dominate paradigm is centered around fear... aren't gonna have much trouble voting to take your freedom away from you....why complain...you get three square meals, a bed and unlimited internet.....what more could you want.
     
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    no shit...that whole Russian conspiracy fiasco, was just a way a dying media seperated suckers from their dollars, they used it to boost ratings and corporate earnings....they call them "faux issues"
     
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    You forgot bathtubs man. Lets tighten it up over there shall we :)
     
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    Those god damn tubs...I've lost so many in the bubble wars fighting them :cry::cry:

    :D:D

    The thing people dont realize about the bubble wars was, that it was never about the bubbles at all..
     
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    HAHA!!!
     
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    https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/06...njuries-resemble-results-of-high-speed-crash/

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    CNN is full of shit. The linked story includes the fact that a VGOD device was the mod in question.
    C'mon Arman Azad.......you are "journalist", no?


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    Sorry again CNN.....I use the same LG HG2 battery for my mech that I use in my regulated device. I do have to say props to them for even mentioning "mechanical mods". Most stories of this nature leave that fact out.

    And is it me? It bugs me in situations like this that there is no differentiation between e-cigarettes and vaping devices.
    Do you ever hear of a cigalike malfunctioning? And I could be wrong, but I don't think I've ever heard about any regulated device skaploding.

    Last thing.....it strikes me that a lot of the media coverage on vaping devices exhibits about the same level of understanding that the media has about guns.....which is to say, none at all.
     
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    The only time Ive ever had a cell vent was when Ive either done it on purpose or with shitty tube mods that had button get stuck on...I could tell from the heat that it was time to unscrew and toss the battery into a ceramic cup though..

    Ive never seen a cell "explode" with force though, only venting gases....

    Im a forum jackass and I vape daily on .06-.07 all day every day on the same cells for years (VTC5A/VTC4) on Tube mods and Parallel Mods without issue...Ive even tested some builds as low as .02 Ohms without anything more then some excessive temperatures. I know Im not alone here, almost all the builders I know on Instagram follow a similar vape style and I've yet to see one have a problem. My guess is that these users with "cell explosions" are using Chinese crap cells or relabeled cells and pushing them over their amperage by a large margin or putting their cells in wrong, or having a malfunction of their mods.

    Like this one @ .02 Ohms:

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    So basically you gave your kid with no knowledge of the device which is basically a Sawed Off Shotgun Barrel to put in his mouth on the premise of protecting him from the dangers of smoking. Where is CPS? Why have they not visited this woman? Where can I post that they need to have a Talk with her?
     
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