And some of the old guard are getting burned out and dropping out.Yeah the video market is flooded with up and comings but sometimes it helps keep the old guard fresh and stay relevant IMO
And some of the old guard are getting burned out and dropping out.Yeah the video market is flooded with up and comings but sometimes it helps keep the old guard fresh and stay relevant IMO
And some of the old guard are getting burned out and dropping out.
yes, still scrubbing egg from face for yesterdays vape god blasphemyAh, great Saturday morning controversy for my morning and
Not me, I'm a freeloading elitist prick
Different game now fella, as you can read above, many people just assume you are trying to make money from it or promote something. Yes there are many that fit that bill but there are also many genuine folk out there trying to review because they just enjoy it. The constant bashing does wear you down.
Not me, I'm a freeloading elitist prick
And you expected otherwise?Ah, great Saturday morning controversy for my morning and
yes there are those in any field of endeavor.Sad part of that is the tarnish it puts on those with true genuine intentions.
BAM crew
That's true.yes there are those in any field of endeavor.
And some of the old guard are getting burned out and dropping out.
Yeah I agree... if someone is asking 150.00 for an atty it seems wise to buy a 25.00 clone to see if you wanna get the original.....but I like to buy the original...if the modders disappear we are stuck with the crap china designs...I like to support the modders because they are the ones innovating design.and as a craftsman myself I love good craftsmenship..it's worth the money to me.If it wasn't for clones I would still be smoking as that was all I could afford at the time.
It was 2 years after I started vaping that I got my first authentic item and thought I should show it off for anyone else that was looking at getting one.
I still get the odd clone and do review them just like every other item I review.
Take the NarDa, I have a clone and use it as much as the Wasp Nano, as I like it for the size and flavour it gives off.
If I want to try something that is expensive, I will get a clone as there is some that is actually better than the authentic, as the cloner's have fixed something on it.
Different game now fella, as you can read above, many people just assume you are trying to make money from it or promote something. Yes there are many that fit that bill but there are also many genuine folk out there trying to review because they just enjoy it. The constant bashing does wear you down.
Not me, I'm a freeloading elitist prick
I have a few authentic boxes and rdas. I guess I've been really lucky with the clones. I've never had the problems with them that others have. Minus like the emblem on my Apocalypse looking different it has no there blemishes that I can find. Almost the best $9 rda I've paid for so far.Sometimes clones are just as good, sometimes clones barely resemble the OG, sometimes clones vape as well but are not well made well enough to last very long
I have not once paid for porn. That's what the interweb is for. Ha hamodders don't make small batches because they are hyping the price that is nonsense..alot of modders work by themselves or with just a couple of other people they physically can't make large batches...It is us who keep the price of authentic gear high not the modders it is the vaping community when we buy clones which keep the prices of quality gear so high....
What is the point of a modder spending all the time and money making 3,000 attys and being able to cut his price from 170.00 for an atty down to say 60.00 for an atty....when the chinese can sell the clone for 9.00...You would have the same chiseling fucks saying the price of 60.00 was gouging them and the modders were all pigs blah blah blah and it was the modders fault they couldn't quit smoking blah blah blah....this from the same people who were spending a helluva alot of money on cigarettes, and cable TV, and junk food, and recreational pharmacutecals, and internet porn..have the gall to blame the modders for them not being able to kick their smoking habit....we..us..are the reason the price of authentic gear is so high
what a bunch of crap...if you are on this forum ...vaping is a hobby it is not about quiting smoking...we all know people who still own the first protank they ever bought and have used the same protank for years to get off smoking.....
Everyone has an opinion they just use their channels to promote theirs.
After all reviews are mostly about opinion.
All depends of the reviewer, one size does not fit all. For example look at all the shit and actual threats from sigelei Daniel received for reporting his actual findings of the sigelei 213. I've also seen reviews from Dean (Vaping Biker) and Sam (Vaping Bogan) that totally trashed what they got for free.Almost all reviewers have a pretty obvious conflict of interest, and that automatically makes their opinion suspicious at best - and no, saying "This xxx was sent to me free of charge for the purpose of this review" doesn't make it any more trustworthy. Even if a reviewer really was totally honest, the conflict of interest irremediably voids the trust that can be put in what they say. The only reviewers I would trust are
1/ Those who actually buy the stuff they review - there are a few.
2/ Reviewers who work in a vape shop and review what the vape shop buys, anonymously, without divulging what vape shop they work for - I don't know of any.
All the others... well, they're good enough for closeups of the stuff they review, but not much more.
I mean really, we vapers are the first to denounce politicos who receive campaign money from Big Tobacco, and laugh sarcastically at whatever they have to say on the subject of tobacco smoking. Yet for some reason, a majority of vapers are willing to listen to, accept, or even admire what Youtube reviewers have to say. They're in the exact same situation ferchrissake!
Clone porn sounds coolI have not once paid for porn. That's what the interweb is for. Ha ha
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It is a thing on some planets.Clone porn sounds cool
BAM crew
Almost all reviewers have a pretty obvious conflict of interest
This^i will have to respectfully disagree with this.
I can't honestly understand how getting a free sample makes everyone automatically biased. That's such an asinine statement TBH. Let's say you go to costco and try a free sample of some juice which they have in the isles for people to try. Then someone walk up to you and says hey I seen you tried that juice how was it? Are people implying it's impossible for you to be unbiased answering that question because you didn't pay for it? That's how stupid some people sound.
all the reviewers said so, so it must be true!
I never said some aren't biased. I said that just getting a free sample doesn't mean automatic bias. I've given more negative reviews to stuff I got as free samples then probably any other reviewer and yet nobody has stopped sending me stuff. So all I'm saying is getting a free sample doesn't automatically make you biased, it depends on the reviewers integrity and monitory gain. Some have more integrity then othersGetting one free juice sample doesn't make you biased. However, if your activity is reviewing juices, juice makers regularly send you free samples to review, and there's a good chance they'll stop doing it if you diss their product once too many, then you have a conflict of interest - i.e. you might hate the product but not say it to avoid running foul of the manufacturers and be left hanging dry.
What's so hard to understand here?
In any case, I can't count the number of shit mods and atomizers I bought that the reviewers thought were really great. As far as I'm concerned, there's no question they're pulling their punches at the very least. If you can't see it, I have a great super-reliable Wismec mod to sell you - it's great, all the reviewers said so, so it must be true!
And that's just 1 example. The list of negative sponsored reviews I've done is longIn fairness - Anthony did put out a warning that Wismec is still putting out faulty 510 connections
I never said some aren't biased. I said that just getting a free sample doesn't mean automatic bias.
Opens up an entire new meaning to the term "go fuck yourself".Clone porn sounds cool
BAM crew
Why make a baseless assumption? What I like to do personally is find a few really crappy items and see what a reviewer says about them it gives me a good idea for sure.And what I'm telling you is that, not being in your head to verify that you're totally unbiased, one has to assume that you're not if you get stuff for free. That's the principle of a conflict of interest: you may be an honest-to-goodness reviewer, but no-one can really be sure.
Yeah I agree... if someone is asking 150.00 for an atty it seems wise to buy a 25.00 clone to see if you wanna get the original.....but I like to buy the original...if the modders disappear we are stuck with the crap china designs...I like to support the modders because they are the ones innovating design.and as a craftsman myself I love good craftsmenship..it's worth the money to me.
But many could also work with said Chinese companies , to get production ramped up with a lower under 100usd price and still do well ,modders don't make small batches because they are hyping the price that is nonsense..alot of modders work by themselves or with just a couple of other people they physically can't make large batches...It is us who keep the price of authentic gear high not the modders it is the vaping community when we buy clones which keep the prices of quality gear so high....
What is the point of a modder spending all the time and money making 3,000 attys and being able to cut his price from 170.00 for an atty down to say 60.00 for an atty....when the chinese can sell the clone for 9.00...You would have the same chiseling fucks saying the price of 60.00 was gouging them and the modders were all pigs blah blah blah and it was the modders fault they couldn't quit smoking blah blah blah....this from the same people who were spending a helluva alot of money on cigarettes, and cable TV, and junk food, and recreational pharmacutecals, and internet porn..have the gall to blame the modders for them not being able to kick their smoking habit....we..us..are the reason the price of authentic gear is so high
what a bunch of crap...if you are on this forum ...vaping is a hobby it is not about quiting smoking...we all know people who still own the first protank they ever bought and have used the same protank for years to get off smoking.....
Wanko the serpent, brother.Todd caused me to get a Wanko
well that and the fact that they had already reduced them to $9 because no one else was dumb enough to buy them
I also bought Serpent RTA's (original ones) based on his recommendation. They worked out much bettrer than the Wanko
Having your opinion expressed on a Youtube channel does not make it any more valid than any other persons.
Same as with any opinion expressed in any media.
Still just an opinion.
Just like my opinions I express on here