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  1. DaMunchMan

    DaMunchMan Member For 2 Years Member For 1 Year

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    Alright folks I'm having a dilemma here. There is just too many damn mods out there. I just got my dead rabbit RDA in the mail and I am so stoked. I'm looking to get a new regulated mod for my new dead rabbit RDA. What are some suggestions out there for a good match with my new baby. I have done some research but I've only found a couple that are kind of cool.

    VooPoo DRAG

    Smok GX350

    Smok Alien

    Smok Mag

    Wismec Reuleaux RX Gen3

    If you have any personal feedback about any of those give it to me pros and cons. Also if you have a recommendation that's not on the list holler it out and let me know why. Thanks guys and happy New Year.

    A couple others I just saw were...

    GTRS VBOY

    DNA The room

    Smoant Battlestar
     
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    The Reuleaux RX Gen3 for the best tradeoff between size/weight and battery life, as well as because you can put ArcticFox firmware on it. I love ArcticFox because it enables me to use power curves, and doing that gives me a very noticeable flavor upgrade on my Reuleaux RX300 so, for me, personally, ArcticFox is a simple no-brainer... Period. Granted, there exist other mods with a power curves feature that don't support ArcticFox, but the user-friendliness of the feature is practically zero excepting if you specifically choose ArcticFox for that. That's why I think DNA mods suck... they're more expensive, yet they aren't at all convenient if you want to use a power curve because the power output resulting from the curve does not automatically scale with the wattage you set on the DNA mod. DNA is for those who want temp control. But IMHO temp control is best compared to training wheels on a bicycle. That's my view regardless of which mod you give me, regardless of what coil build you use, regardless of which atomizer, and regardless of how many years you've spent trying to fine tune the temp control settings... it's just a pure, absolute, utterly ridiculous waste of time for me.
     
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    Any of them except the Smoks. If I were buying from that list, i'd go with the drag or battlestar.
     
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    I’d say the Same as mykreign at this stage although yihi and dna chips are very good though but you’ll pay more for them
     
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    1. Any DNA - unless it's the 75C you need a computer but it's a DNA I have 8
    2. Smoant Battlestar - small, simple to use works well in power or TC built solid.
    3. Voopoo Drag - hits hard in power mode works well in TC built like a brick.

    I don't know if you used the rabbit yet but build high for the best flavor. My coils look like there on stilts compared to other RDA's.

    EDIT; I haven't used the VBOY but Yihi chips always work well. But make sure it's a gen 2 battery door or it sometimes pops open when you set it down.
     
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  6. bobnat

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    I've got 3 Battlestars and a Drag. I use them everyday, along with my squonk mods. You can't go wrong with either. The BS is better for walking around though.
     
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    there is a new battlestar mini if small is your thing. i would recommend a DNA device personally. i just switched to one from budget mods and i wish i had switched sooner.
     
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  8. ShowerHead

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    Go with a DNA in a flavor that you like.
    No matter if it is a 75C, or a 250 (167) though I’d hold out for the C model of the 250. That one should be along any day now as it was promised for Christmas.
     
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  9. JuicyLucy

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    This^^^^^

    DNA mods are also nice - but my lone DNA 75C sucks the life out of single battery like nothing I've ever seen
     
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    I figured that color screen was going to suck up juice. At 85% efficiency the non color screen is a bit of a hog. Most of the 75C mods i see are dual battery. I was to going to get the Lost Vape squonker but was concerned about battery life. I haven't tried the VTC5A yet but the 25R seems to last the longest. If you lower the soft cell cut off from 2.75V to 2.65V it will extend the battery run time. The weak battery message is usually triggered by the initial voltage drop when you first fire it.
     
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    That’s why I got my Boxer DNA250 for Christmas and didn’t wait for the 250C.... rather use my batteries for hits than a pretty screen and a couple more functions I don’t need.
     
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    The battery life on it is abysmal - worst of the worst - and I've owned over 40 different squonkers
     
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    I see another inbox in my future.:)
     
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    It may seem to you that the 25R lasts longer than the VTC5A, but the reality is it really does not. In fact the VTC5A just simply wipes the floor with the 25R in every possible way:
    Code:
    https://youtu.be/qYDLMsxjAYY?t=419
     
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    If you weren't so quick to prove what an ass you are and read my post you'll see I said I haven't tried the VTC5a.
    What's your problem dude...mommy take her titty away too soon, poor toilet training?
    It's easy to see why no one on the is forum likes you, just tolerates you.
     
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    That's my whole point. People don't have to try it to learn about the simple fact the 25R blatantly sucks compared to the VTC5A so it knocks me unconscious why fuckasses like you still keep bringing up the 25R in just about every other discussion like this.
     
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    A. Your showing your stupidity by saying I always pimp the 25R. I love the VTC5a .
    B. Stop trashing peoples threads...your just proving my point....Your a small small man who craves attention.

    I'm going away now because your really not worth bothering with. Feel free to trash me when I'm gone it levels the playing field when your ranting by yourself.
     
  18. Carambrda

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    Yes, go away please... and don't forget to take your useless comments about the 25R with you when you leave. Fuckass.
     
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    I haven't left quite yet but your still proving what a small small man in need of attention you are.
    Stop masturbating and find a woman, your life will get much better when you do.
     
  20. Mattp169

    Mattp169 Platinum Contributor Member For 4 Years Vape Media

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    well the 25r has been a staple of the battery world before the vtc5a. many people go with what they know. And I still use the first 2 sets of them I bought about 4 years ago now because they still work fine and don't need replaced yet.. I also use lg hg2s and didnt know anything about vtc5as when I bought my first set of them.

    so since I do not quite understand all the data from mooch, because I have not invested enough time in it.
    my question to @Carambrda : given you have stated multiple times that a vtc5a outlasts a 25r in runtime .... how does the lg hg2 hold up to the vtc5a in run time given both being run in the 40-60 watt range only?
     
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    The HG2 outlasts the VTC5A in that particular watt range, if we can assume this watt range applies to just a single battery, or "per battery". But there can be exceptions to this claim, as it still factually depends on how you vape... meaning, if you constantly chain vape and or you're taking longer pulls, or you're doing the combination of both, then the dividing line might be closer to 40 watts rather than closer to 60 watts. Further, it also depends on aging of the battery. Above 45°C (113°F) is where batteries start aging faster. So if the HG2 is reaching frequently above that by several degrees and or for long periods of time and [due to how you vape] the VTC5A is not, then the HG2 will be losing capacity faster due to faster aging.

    In addition, the VTC5A is the safer option of the two, even if they both are considered "safe enough" for the watts you vape at so consider that a small bonus. Also in addition, a lot of regulated mods IMO perform a tad better─in pure terms of how they vape, subjectively─if choosing a harder hitting battery as opposed to choosing a battery the voltage sag of which, at the watts you vape, tends to be a whole lot bigger in comparison, which is yet another reason why I think the VTC6 is simply just always a better choice than the HG2, as the VTC6 simply just hits a lot harder than the HG2. But yeah... people go with what they know, and the reason why many people don't know a whole lot is because, well... they don't listen to Mooch a whole lot. Which, to be honest with you, is something I find rather sad. He does all the hard work and he hands the data over to people on a silver platter. Next, people continue to look the other way. Isn't that rather sad? I think it's sad.
     
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    sad? if youre taking this vaping shit too seriously maybe. you can argue about how long they last until youre blue in the face, but you’d probably save time just buying high quality cells and enjoying them! youre welcome!

    for real tho ive used Sony, LG, and Samsung and while i dont geek out by hooking them up and reviewing data on them i know they all last me about the same amount of time. if i need to carry extra cells then so what. btw... a single 18650 lasts me most of a day. all of the brands i use in rotation are about the same. thats all i care about. but is it sad that vapers dont analyze every batteries info, even if its handed to them,...? nope. whats sad is that other people worry that other people are checking the info. itll be ok. everyones vapes will work.
     
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    Well said. Some people take themselves too seriously.
     
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    see its not sad i dont read everything mooch writes. it gets too technical for me and a lot of people who just want nicotine delivery, or the people who just want to blow big clouds.
    to me i know enough and have experienced enough to know that for how I vape the hg2 outlasts a 25r...WHY well its mah I guess. but if someone can show me a battery that for HOW I VAPE last significantly longer then I am all for it. The 30Q is stated to be a bit better and it probably is, but I have about 8 sets of lg2s already, I have no need to replace them. By the time I do need to start replacing them there may be even better batteries available. But if things change and only certain batteries are available to me in the future do to unforeseen circumstances, such as legislation etc, say a vtc5a is and not the hg2 then its nice to know its about the same for how I vape. @Carambrda do take the time to read alot more about the batteries then me and most people, so Its faster for me to pick your brain, just which you were a bit nicer about how you say things. Not everyone is you, not everyone feels or thinks the same as you, you got some knowledge, use it for good and keep helping others where you can
     
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    I've used various batteries in my years of vaping. Sony, LG, Samsung, even Panasonic and Sanyo.
    For me (40-70W TC), the battery to beat is the Samsung 30Q.
     
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    So much good information for the OP:confused: Way to help out and welcome a new member :headbang:
     
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    The reason I take it seriously is because some people who already are struggling to keep on vaping might be reading this and then buy some spanking new 25R batteries thinking these are awesome batteries when the reality is these batteries' lack in performance when compared to other, much better battery choices might actually drive these people back to cancer sticks as they [these people] already are struggling hard enough as they are, and, I don't find that awesome in any way at all... especially not when vaping is under constant heavy attack by corrupt politics and corporate greed. Mooch literally said the VTC5A runs 20 - 30 percent longer. So yeah, it'll be OK. That is, as long as people will understand it's not necessarily always OK for everyone, and that lives may in fact still depend on it.
     
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    I've been vaping 7 years and have a lot of mods. That Battlestar is a winner I have three. One of them is sitting in front of me now with a Bonza on it.

    For a new vaper that Battlestar is a clear winner. It does TC with SS wire with the factory SS setting better than any other device I have owned and it hits pretty solid in VW mode. It's not the newest latest thing but we have been hammering on these for a long time now and they have never let us down. The Battlestar Mini is a single battery mod with an 80 watt limit IIRC. Vaping all day on single battery mod is doable but it consumes batteries fast. I'm sure you will find as I have that packing batteries along is a requirement regardless of your setup. However the boards in devices are getting better at regulating charging, even quite fast charging so a single battery or built in battery mod is handy if you're in a situation where you can plug in a charger. The regular Battlestar is itself a fairly small mod and it has one characteristic that always gets glossed over by reviewers...it doesn't tip over as easily as a square mod. Your mod will take falls but more stable mods are always preferable. It's a simple thing but you will find out it matters. If you can find one of the copper ones you won't have to deal with the paint eventually flaking.

    Regarding all this stress about batteries you have several fine recommendations here. Don't get caught up in all the drama. The difference isn't that noticeable in real world use unless your asking for high amp drains from your batteries. Then you're in the deep end of the pool. Educate yourself about your batteries abilities if you're wanting to push past 80 watts or below .2ohms. The short strokes...you can have a high CDR or high capacity, not both. I keep VTC4's around for that purpose.

    Good luck in your quest.
     
  29. Mattp169

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    ok, i think in some cases your concern is valid, but the 25rs work just fine in many examples and its run time is sufficient enough for many. I have 2 sets about 3-4 years old. sometimes I throw them in my mods and really FOR THE WAY I VAPE the difference in run time between them and my hg2s is negligible in the long run, but if I were on vacation, running around all day away from the cr and hotel, well I WOULD WANT THE SECURITY OF EVEN 5 MINUTES MORE RUN TIME, even though its probably 15-25 mins of vaping time longer in difference with my hg2s, which could translate to 2 or so hours of actual time I can vape or even more depending on what I am doing and how much I can and want to vape.

    Now for high wattage vaping which I deem 100+ watts then I would suspect there is a bigger difference in how long batteries last but at 40-60w they difference gets smaller, and how about all the MTL people on here that vape under 20W I would bet the difference between a VTC5A,HG2 and 25R would be even less noticable.SO depending on how you use your battery can make a difference on how much of a difference you notice.

    Now if someone came in and stole all my batteries, Id replace them with either hg2s or some 30Qs that I would immediately rewrap cuz pink is so not my color, but if for some reason vtc5as were on sale and cheaper I'd consider them since their run time is better then 25rs which I am happy with and can handle a few more amps then the 30Q or hg2. I don't need the additional amp head room for the way I vape, but the security of it for IN CASE SOMETHING GOES WRONG is nice.

    Now because of all this I have no experience with the VTC5a except to see so many people recommend it. I don't use mechs or vape at high watts. so over 20amps is not a big deal to me.

    Plus I have plenty of batteries now and it will be probably a year or more before I need more. Which lots can change in a year. SO when asked I go with what I use and know and am happy with.

    I suspect others are in similar situations to me. So I would suspect the recommendations of 25rs come form a place like that.

    The 25r is a tried and tested battery that does work well for vaping, thats is a fact. If you want to argue that fact sorry you are wrong. IS IT THE BEST CHOICE??? not for everyone. for me I prefer my hg2s for a newbie using a mech with low ohms- probably not the best choice, for someone doing 150 watts regularly probably not the best choice. BUt alot of experienced and knowledgeable vapers use them daily and have no issues using them in bothe mechs and regulated mods at all different wattage levels form sub 20W mtlers and cloud chasing bros pushing 200 watts

    So instead of arguing with people about whether the 25r is any good, perhaps a statement of "the 25R is good, but the vtc5a will probably give you more run time and is safer if you are pushing over 100 watts in a regulated mod, and in a mech if you are not that experienced the extra amp room it provides gives you a little more room for safety"

    Its all in how you say it sometimes. I think you are fairly knowledgeable and done more research then I, but you do come off abrasive as hell to some.
     
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    Ok I have to respond to this. People have been kicking cigarettes long before vtc6/5/4/3.

    My first one was a 1000mah spinner with a pro tank 1. It was LOADS better than the njoy, blu or any other cigalike brand out there. Then I upgraded to the Panasonic I forget the name but it was 3500 mah or so and rated at 10 amps.

    The point I'm making is someone starting out on ecigs doesn' care that you one battery hits harder or runs 20% longer. All they care about is trying to get off cigarettes and that they enjoy the vape.

    And to be quite honest, a new vaper shouldn't be using a mech and building their coils any ways. They need protection with regulation mods and prebuilt coils that function great and last a decent amount of time. That is until they learn about batteries and ohms law and only after they learn about vaping and how things should taste and how things should feel.

    A new vaper will be worrying about addiction withdraws, headaches due from too much nicotine, cravings due to too little nicotine, and maybe just learning how to enjoy vaping.


    What we need to concern ourselves with is just teaching about the quality batteries in which all that I have heard in this post were great. Teach new vapers to stay away from rewraps and Chinese batteries. Also to watch out for the counterfet ones.

    Edit to add that I may have misread a tad bit but my points are valid and still alot of people didn't have the vtc6 or 5 and they did fine the battery isn' everything.
     
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    I'll leave it to the OP to decide on how many watts are or aren't enough to bring that Dead Rabbit of his to life. People who start guessing about which batteries will be OK without even knowing the watts and the number of batteries that are going to be used are people who should wake the fuck up about battery safety instead of taking themselves way too seriously by doing all this ridonkulous guesswork as to whether some hopelessly outdated battery will still be OK just because it will save him maybe 3 cents per day when the reality is it might not even be OK in any way at all. The OP is neither "some cases" nor "many examples". Hang on a minute. In your previous reply to me you said:
    To which I'll reply:

    The OP isn't you, the OP doesn't feel or think the same as you until you KNOW that he does feel or think the same as you. Has anyone who replied actually even wondered how the OP might feel or think? The OP asked for personal feedback. Part of my personal feedback has been to leave out old fantasies about the 25R and focus on which mods I recommend. They are the RX Gen3 and the RX300, and, the RX300 works best for the way I vape because high watts used in conjunction with power curves are a recipe for short battery life as well as could actually even be dangerous to vape on if you recommend the wrong batteries.
     
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    Not everyone. Some of us really like him. He did nothing but educate you about batteries and you acted like a child who didn't get his own way. Yeah carambrda may come across a little surly sometimes but that is no reason to respond the way you did.

    Carmbrda is an asset to this community. The only people I have seen have a problem with him are the people who he has proven wrong. Instead of learning something from him you lash out with personal insults. It seems like you are the one with a problem.

    I know you can handle yourself caramb. I just didn't want this to go without getting a response.

    Sent from my LGL164VL using Tapatalk
     
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    Just like people have been relapsing back to cigarettes even after that.
    Sometimes all it takes for someone to relapse back to cigarettes is poor battery performance, as it can make the difference between struggling and giving up.
    Both the RX Gen3 and the RX300 are regulated mods so not quite honestly sure what you must be getting at here.
    Sub par battery performance can increase those cravings and reduce the enjoyment of vaping to the point where cigarettes become so much more enjoying than vaping that the end result will be a relapse back to cigarettes.
    I recommend the best available batteries for how someone vapes because skimping on that to save maybe 3 cents per day is just a terrible idea excepting only if you are so strapped for cash that you really need those 3 cents. So if having the option to choose between, for example, the Samsung 30Q and the VTC6, then always go for the VTC6 unless you really don't have the option. This is also what Mooch has been saying. I don't know why so many people keep arguing so much against his recommendations. Maybe it's because these people take themselves way too seriously. Maybe it's because these people are cheap so their arguments are always cheap.
    Just because they did fine doesn't mean anything, when the reality is that a battery that better suits one's own personal needs simply is a better choice, as it increases one's chance to be fine. If this weren't true, then the manufacturers would stop trying to make new and improved batteries.
     
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    Just got the voopoo drag and it's great. I've heard of issues with Smok product. Just a heads up. Make sure you research and get reviews from people not on YouTube. Most of them are. Untrustworthy from what I hear.

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    You are looking at the best of things which isn't bad. But saying that something isn' the best so it sucks isn't right.

    Look at a mustang. That's a great car. People can drive it to work and pick up groceries or pick up a date ect. You get the idea. But it doesn' ride like a Mercedes and it doesn't run like a corvette. Does it mean it sucks? Not really it just means it's not the best. Are people going to say awe this sucks I'm just going to walk. Are people going to say fuck I can't go to work because I have a mustang? No.

    I can promise you that there isn' anyone that says shit I have 25r and my vape sucks let' smoke. I can promise you that on a relauxe most people can't tell the difference between the quality batteries of close mah.

    If someone told me that their vape doesn' hit hard enough on a relauxe I'd show them the up button or arctic fox or what ever it's called. I might even tell them about other coils either the prebuilt or home made/rba ones.

    NOW THAT BEING SAID...there isn' anything wrong with you suggesting the best battery for a given vape. We all see now that the vtc5a is superior to the 25r. What is wrong is calling people names or getting all pissed off because someone suggests a 30q,25r, vtc4 or any other quality battery because that's what they know.
     
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    you think someones life may be on the line if they buy one brand cell over another? when they all operate about the same...? 20-30% longer vaping time isnt going to make or break a vaper from whether or not they go back to combustion. anyone who is like “damnit i just bought these and now i know there are longer lasting cells... well i guess ill just go back to smoking” isnt thinking straight.

    anyone struggling with vaping, that would go back to combustion, is in danger of going back regardless of the cells they are using. i just dont see how one brand cell lasting 20% longer is a deal breaker in any direction.

    i do see and appreciate the want for the knoweledge of the cells performance though. its a hobby for some and thats cool.
     
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    as you felt conpelled to speak i do as well.

    carambrda is “surly sometimes”? lol. ive seen him be a straight up dick to others just as much as they are to him. he isnt some totally innocent victim here. he knows his shit, but can be and IS a dick often. from the threads ive read at least.

    his knoweledge is indeed and asset and i appreciate him for that. but being friendly goes a long way. and no he hasnt just been a dick after others were dicks first.

    sorry not sorry. its the truth.
     
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    Your analogy doesn't make any sense at all. Between the 25R and the VTC5A, the price difference is waa-aaaa-aaaaaaay too small to justify skimping, and, between the 30Q and the VTC6, the price difference is still also too small to justify skimping. That's just because you know beforehand you're going to enjoy the improvement in performance for a really very long time.

    This isn't about mAh, as the runtime is expressed in Wh (watt hours), not mAh. Meaning, the runtime is determined not only by mAh, but also by how hard the battery hits so, because the VTC6 hits harder than the 30Q, the VTC6 runs for about 100 mAh longer than the 30Q. The difference in this case is small, but like I said, so is the price difference, and that's why skimping doesn't make sense. Most people who abandoned vaping and went back to smoking cigarettes are people who skimped on gear. I'm not saying everyone should spend as much on vape gear as some would spend on a Corvette. But batteries are an essential part of what makes a mod perform well. The chip in a lot of regulated mods typically performs worse if the voltage sag of the battery is too big IMO.

    People see a $2 price difference between different batteries and their first reaction is like hey, that's like a whopping 30 percent price difference right there, but what these people fail to understand is the performance difference is affecting their vape experience as a whole so instead of just looking at the price difference between the batteries relative to the cost of just the batteries alone, you have to look at how much $2, or $8 if you buy 4 batteries, is worth relative to your entire vaping budget that you spend during the lifetime of the batteries (typically a lot longer than a whole year if you take good care of your batteries), and that also includes the cost of juice consumption. Even just a single day of my juice consumption already costs more than those $8. Just sayin'...
     
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    I think you're missing my point. I am not arguing that the vtc6 isn't superior. I'm saying that a new vaper isn't going to get fed up with vaping over 100mah of run time as you put it.

    If his/her vape sucks it's because the juice wasn't liked or the vapor production wasn't great or they thought it was too airy and didn't know about mtl tanks or the nicotine wasn't enough or it was too much and gave them a headache I have heard that one in real life. If their mod isn't hitting hard enough then bump the wattage up and there ya go. Change the coils and it will effect the vape most if not all tanks have different coils.

    Your argument about how great vtc6 is over all is more for hobbyist using mechanical where you want better batteries that hit harder. Then you havd the voltage sag that to is for the expierenced vaper who just wants to improve their experience.

    Again there's nother wrong with suggesting the vtc6 to new people but when you say the 25r and the 30q is shit and only use vtc6 or else you can't get a good vape and you will end up smoking cigs is a bit far out there.

    If someone is looking to buy some batteries then according to mooch the vtc5a and vtc6 (going off of memory about what we talked about and I could be mistaken) are the ones you should buy if you are running what 20-30amps BUT if you already have the 30q or the 25r then you will be fine unless you are looking for the best of the best. ALTHOUGH, if you were looking for the best of the best the 21700 or the ones similar wipes the floor with the vtc5a.... according to mooch

    Edit to add: remember this is all in response to the new person needing the vtc5/6 or their vape will suffer and they might start smoking again. There is a big difference in requirements from a new vaper to a hobbyist/experienced vaper.
     
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    No he isn't a dick. He's an asshole, nothing more. Having knowledge about something doesn't make up for it, no matter how often he spouts it.
     
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    One does not have to be consciously aware of an increase in battery performance to be able to enjoy the vape performance improvement engendered by this increase.
    Poor battery performance due to poor battery choices degrades vape performance, which makes the struggle harder. It's not just about how long the battery lasts, but also how the chip in a lot of regulated mods reacts to voltage sag and how that degrades vape performance.
    To struggle to stay off cancer sticks is not exactly my idea of a hobby. Those who are struggling need all the support they can muster... giving them outdated battery advice is not exactly my idea of supporting them. I don't take credit for Mooch's hard work. I only point people to his expert knowledge and advice. That's just because he's the expert, not me, nor you, nor anyone in this thread. You don't like his advice? Then go and tell that to him instead of shooting the messenger. I don't argue against his advice. Rather, I just accept it because he's the only vaper who has been testing batteries for a living for the past quarter of a century.
     
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    Not disputing this one bit but if you notice he hasn't said one negative thing to me this whole time. And if you also notice I wasn't a jack ass or hostile with him either. So let's not be rude to each other and just communicate.
     
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    People who already are close to being fed up can easily get fed up over small things. The drop that spills the bucket, I believe it's called.
    Those are a lot of assumptions.
    Mooch says the fact one battery hits harder vs another affects performance not only on a mechanical mod, but on a regulated mod as well.
    I didn't say the 30Q was shit. Just that, if given the option to choose between the 30Q and the VTC6, then go for the VTC6 because the VTC6 is a better battery than the 30Q as well as because the price gap is too small to justify skimping.
    I didn't say you should get rid of your freshly bought 30Q batteries. Just that you would have been better off if you had gotten the VTC6 instead... at least if we can assume, for the way you vape, the VTC6 is a better choice than the VTC5A. As for ditching your freshly bought 25R batteries, keep using them if that's what you want... they aren't my batteries so you can do with them pretty much whatever it is that you want. :D
    I know, but those aren't available to me yet. I like all my 18650 mods and all my 20700 mods, but now we're talking about another new battery format, which I plan on adding to my collection when the time has come.
    Hobby or no hobby, there is no real reason to pass on the VTC5A if it fits the way you vape, just like there is no real reason to pass on the VTC6 if that one fits the way you vape. Mechanical or regulated.
     
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    i dont like his advice? i know nothing of this Mooch. never heard of him until today. probably because all of the cells ive bought work damn well and thats good enough for me. others have other needs though. of which i can only assume requires being super anal about a cells performance...?
     
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    Just because you're happy with your making ill-informend, poor battery choices doesn't mean those who don't want to make the same old mistake as you are being super anal, but rather, it just confirms that ignorance truly is bliss.
     
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    Wow 30 pages of arguing over 1 fact. That a 25r has less runtime than any new batteries out there. Way to help him pick a new mod.

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    Oops
     
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    Ok I wonder if I can get another 30 pages....I have heard alot of good things about the voopoo drag. I wouldn't touch smok or wismec.
     
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    I'm using the drag right now. With the x baby tank. Haha

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    how is it an ill-informed poor choice when it works VERY well? ffs

    when they all work well... its anal af. just suggest the one you like best and let them enjoy the cell instead of feeding them un-necessary anxiety about not having the “best” cell.
     
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