My vape shop actually game me the flavor separate from, the PG/VG nicotine mix on 8/8 due to the regulation
Yes, they can ship items introduced to market before 8/8/16. For 2 more years if they apply (on paper) for PMTA.Can Chinese manufacturers still ship to the US?
It doesn't even look like a third party verification. Who is storing the SSN (last 4 digits).This is from ecig.com. Lets just say they were my favorite vendor. Nobody is getting my ss# and they also wanted a copy of your DL faxed/sent in.
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It doesn't even look like a third party verification. Who is storing the SSN (last 4 digits).
Yes, I am paranoid about the SSN. My identity has been compromised twice in my life.Of course i didn't do it or make the purchase. But here is there response...
Ecig replied...
They need the last four of your ssn, not the whole number, and they need that and a birthday that they cross reference with a data base to make sure you are who you say you are, we then need a copy of the DL sent to [email protected]. tts what the new FDA regulations require us to do
Yes, I am paranoid about the SSN. My identity has been compromised twice in my life.
Discountvapers.com needs your last 4 ss numbers now
Wow! Sorry to hear/read.Mine was this week. 750.00 out of my checking account. I still don't have the money back in my account and aren't sure how they hacked the account. This is a government credit union also lol.
It appears to state that one has to check ID. It does not state to use Bluecheck or use identifiers such as SSN (last 4 digits).Further info you may find interesting: http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/Retail/ucm205021.htm#ecig
Note that there are no provisions for on-line retailers that "lower the bar"
Oh I hear you, the only reason we have BC in place now is that was the only 3rd party service we could find in short notice that also did state by state requirements. We're actively researching other verification opportunities for sure.
I just read about this as well. I see they are more discreet/less invasive than Bluecheck.This might be what you looking for. Seen them mentioned in other post. Good luck!
https://veratad.com/
And they sell your personal information to spammers...!Look at the disclosure of Bluecheck. No way
It is a PDF file.
https://api2.bluecheck.me/modal/data/policy.pdf
A B&M raided by the ATF? This was the type of shit I was mostly referring to when I have started this thread. Do you have a link or more info? That is what really intrigues me, is any actual enforcement actions. I completely understand that vendors have to put food on their table, but I was see this whole thing reaching the level of the Boston Tea Party before anything about these regulations are changed for the better.I can confirm that these are in fact a requirement, and trust me as a vendor it's killing us. People don't want to do it, and many (if not most) on-line shops aren't complying yet. The actual rules are pretty simple, the purchaser's age MUST be verified (clicking the old "OK I'm 18+) button doesn't cut it anymore. All services we've researched need a full name, and last four of SSN to verify via third party databases. The good news is the SSN bit only get's used once and then the age check is cached. However, it does require that the purchaser provides a cell phone # so that they can verify an SMS code (likely to confirm you're you and not logged in as Mom or Dad). The law further stipulates that if the buyer is under the age of 27 we must validate they are in possession of the photo ID (hence the selfie). It should also be some relief to the buyer that the last 4 digits of your SSN can't be used to open any accounts or steal your identity it can only be used to verify who you are. Think about it, call your phone, cable, bank, etc and the automatic phone systems always ask for your last 4.
We've looked at a non-third party solution, but that puts us and the buyer at risk of privacy issues, not to mention SFATA.ORG strongly recommends using proven third party solutions to guarantee compliance rather than building a fancy form in house that looks like it's verifying but it's not.
These rules are draconian and increase the cost to the storefront (age verification isn't free) and causes lost sales. Believe me, I'd rather just ignore the rule but if that happens for too long I GUARANTEE you that the next step will just be to outlaw on-line sales of vape "stuff". In fact, they have already done that in UT.
As far as B&M, I know of one already that was inspected this week by the ATF and made to toss all of their juice as they had not applied as a registered manufacturer and their bottles didn't have child proof caps.
-Sean@RBV
Hello SeanI can confirm that these are in fact a requirement, and trust me as a vendor it's killing us. People don't want to do it, and many (if not most) on-line shops aren't complying yet. The actual rules are pretty simple, the purchaser's age MUST be verified (clicking the old "OK I'm 18+) button doesn't cut it anymore. All services we've researched need a full name, and last four of SSN to verify via third party databases. The good news is the SSN bit only get's used once and then the age check is cached. However, it does require that the purchaser provides a cell phone # so that they can verify an SMS code (likely to confirm you're you and not logged in as Mom or Dad). The law further stipulates that if the buyer is under the age of 27 we must validate they are in possession of the photo ID (hence the selfie). It should also be some relief to the buyer that the last 4 digits of your SSN can't be used to open any accounts or steal your identity it can only be used to verify who you are. Think about it, call your phone, cable, bank, etc and the automatic phone systems always ask for your last 4.
We've looked at a non-third party solution, but that puts us and the buyer at risk of privacy issues, not to mention SFATA.ORG strongly recommends using proven third party solutions to guarantee compliance rather than building a fancy form in house that looks like it's verifying but it's not.
These rules are draconian and increase the cost to the storefront (age verification isn't free) and causes lost sales. Believe me, I'd rather just ignore the rule but if that happens for too long I GUARANTEE you that the next step will just be to outlaw on-line sales of vape "stuff". In fact, they have already done that in UT.
As far as B&M, I know of one already that was inspected this week by the ATF and made to toss all of their juice as they had not applied as a registered manufacturer and their bottles didn't have child proof caps.
-Sean@RBV
There have been questions as to whether Veradad's procedure will meet FDA approval.. Just saying. Dont know for sure, but some question this. We use Bluecheck because they specialize in ecig sales and also allow us to check for age 21 in California which Veradad didnt offer as far as I know..Lightning Vapes actually started before the regs went into effect for juice sales. They use a third party. I don't recall for sure but I think it was Veratad. Photo copy of your DL or passport. Address must match the shipping address. SSN not needed.
Think about it, call your phone, cable, bank, etc and the automatic phone systems always ask for your last 4.
No l live in the UK
My changes come in November 2016 & May 2017
I can't swear they use Veradad. Age check in CA, TX and MA before the federal regs went into effect were the stated reason. It's still the same form now. Whether that proves sufficient for the federal stuff I can't say.There have been questions as to whether Veradad's procedure will meet FDA approval.. Just saying. Dont know for sure, but some question this. We use Bluecheck because they specialize in ecig sales and also allow us to check for age 21 in California which Veradad didnt offer as far as I know..
That is completely correct .. We all arent even sure that the FDA will accept any of these 3rd party services. It is so subjective on their part and not completely transparent on their part. We have to wait for enforcement to start to take place.. To see what is in the bill, so to speak..I can't swear they use Veradad. Age check in CA, TX and MA before the federal regs went into effect were the stated reason. It's still the same form now. Whether that proves sufficient for the federal stuff I can't say.
https://www.lightningvapes.com/pages/age-verification
Ultimately it's up to the seller to meet the regs. Then up to the buyer to decide if they want to participate.
Well we can hope but I strongly suspect that outcome was their goal in the first place.All said and done, if nothing changes in the FDA regs most juices and devices will not be sold anywhere after the next 2-3 years. Local shop or not. Except Cigalikes. B and M cant survive on sales of those items alone and they will close up..
That would be my take on it.They are going to shut out everyone except their buddies over at Big Tobacco.Well we can hope but I strongly suspect that outcome was their goal in the first place.
Don't forget the buddies in PharmaThat would be my take on it.They are going to shut out everyone except their buddies over at Big Tobacco.