Capella did. They even designed tobacco flavorings. Then when the shit hit the fan. They discontinued them. LolNone of the leading flavoring companies promote their flavorings for use in ecigs except maybe FA who also makes ejuice.
I think that's kinda the point of why this is so nuts. How the fda can justify enforcing regulations on a company that with out their own choosing have been labeled an ejuice manufacturer.None of the leading flavoring companies promote their flavorings for use in ecigs except maybe FA who also makes ejuice.
They are not labelled an ejuice manufacturer.I think that's kinda the point of why this is so nuts. How the fda can justify enforcing regulations on a company that with out their own choosing have been labeled an ejuice manufacturer.
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Lorann might have been used to make ejuice by other people. But it was never marketed or sold by lorann for that purpose. So in no way should they be considered an e juice manufacturer.Lorann's was the beginning in USA juice. Ms T, and Tasty Vapor made some great ones. Good to see that Lorann's will still be around if we need flavoring.
You just enjoy arguments or just don't comprehend what i'm saying. I agree that lorann has never been marketed or sold as ejuice. I already clearly stated this. And if you read the op's pdf in the letter it says that lorann was requested to submit ingredient info and than eventually also studies showing there products safe. They never specifically say that the fda was the one making said request. But who else could possibly be asking for that info. Also it's not in good practice to poke a bear like the fda and that's why they left out who was asking. They won't go public stating it was the fda till there's a open lawsuit. At this point by omitting who asked the request there hoping that there honest response will be enuff. But if that's not the case than i'm sure it won't be good for you and me.They are not labelled an ejuice manufacturer.
However all ingredients used in making ejuice must provide a list of their contents early next year and have proof of their safety as an inhaled substance.
None of the flavoring companies will do this.
We as individuals will still be able to buy flavorings for use in "food and beverages".
However ejuice companies will not be able to use them in their ejuice after February next year.
And I expect that sales to ejuice companies and vape related sites will end soon from the flavoring company's.
This is USA only.
FA makes ejuice but I am certain they will not sell flavorings to US juice manufacturers after next February.
What gets me is that there are plenty of folks who vape 0 nic yet the FDA seems to think that it still has the authority to force those persons to submit to it's regulations based purely on the fact that the device and contents *might* at some point, be used with a tobacco component, namely nicotine.
But any e-liquid sold, even 0 NIC, is to be labeled as a "Tobacco Product" WTF.
NIC regulation is fine for minors but leave the rest of the shit alone, damn FDA.
The testing required to prove inhaled safety is in the Deeming regs documents.You just enjoy arguments or just don't comprehend what i'm saying. I agree that lorann has never been marketed or sold as ejuice. I already clearly stated this. And if you read the op's pdf in the letter it says that lorann was requested to submit ingredient info and than eventually also studies showing there products safe. They never specifically say that the fda was the one making said request. But who else could possibly be asking for that info. Also it's not in good practice to poke a bear like the fda and that's why they left out who was asking. They won't go public stating it was the fda till there's a open lawsuit. At this point by omitting who asked the request there hoping that there honest response will be enuff. But if that's not the case than i'm sure it won't be good for you and me.
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But lorann isn't an ejuice manufacturer so why should they be asked to comply? I doubt their going to koolaid and asking them to comply with fda tobacco regulations.The testing required to prove inhaled safety is in the Deeming regs documents.
So Yes the FDA is requesting it.
You think the ejuice manufacturers will test all their different flavors they use? At different wattages? In different percentages? And all the different combinations of flavors too?But lorann isn't an ejuice manufacturer so why should they be asked to comply? I doubt their going to koolaid and asking them to comply with fda tobacco regulations.
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I am not sure either but it could mean exactly what Loranns docs said.Now while looking for a few flavors on the TFA website is says:
Alert:
The Flavor Apprentice fully intends to comply with any upcoming Federal Regulations regarding our flavors.****
What this means i am not sure?
Face it in about a year manufactured ejuice will be basically dead in the USA. Most will bail before then.
How does any of that pertain to lorann? Its a flavor manufacturer that has never marketed or sold anything pertaining to ejuuce. So obviously there not going to coordinate with any ejuice manufacturers. And i never said that ejuice isn't screwed thats not what this debate has been about at all. I've stated over and over that this is about a company that has no ties to e-cigs yet is requested to follow those guidelines. That is an injustice to a company that has been around long before ecigs. Obviously all you want to do is argue. Because you keep making completely ill reinvent and off topic statements.You think the ejuice manufacturers will test all their different flavors they use? At different wattages? In different percentages? And all the different combinations of flavors too?
And the flavoring manufacturers would have to coordinate any future changes in the flavoring formula for it to be retested.
Face it in about a year manufactured ejuice will be basically dead in the USA. Most will bail before then.
They are not labelled an ejuice manufacturer.
However all ingredients used in making ejuice must provide a list of their contents early next year and have proof of their safety as an inhaled substance.
None of the flavoring companies will do this.
We as individuals will still be able to buy flavorings for use in "food and beverages".
However ejuice companies will not be able to use them in their ejuice after February next year.
And I expect that sales to ejuice companies and vape related sites will end soon from the flavoring company's.
This is USA only.
FA makes ejuice but I am certain they will not sell flavorings to US juice manufacturers after next February.
They only have to comply if they market their product as a vape flavoring, sell thru a vape related site or sell to an ejuice manufacturer.How does any of that pertain to lorann? Its a flavor manufacturer that has never marketed or sold anything pertaining to ejuuce. So obviously there not going to coordinate with any ejuice manufacturers. And i never said that ejuice isn't screwed thats not what this debate has been about at all. I've stated over and over that this is about a company that has no ties to e-cigs yet is requested to follow those guidelines. That is an injustice to a company that has been around long before ecigs. Obviously all you want to do is argue. Because you keep making completely ill reinvent and off topic statements.
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Capella also has it on their blog that they will comply with the fda regulations. What that means exactly for us regular people we'll see i guess.They only have to comply if they market their product as a vape flavoring, sell thru a vape related site or sell to an ejuice manufacturer.
I do not think they will take much of a financial hit at all over this since they are now a minor player in the ejuice flavoring game.
I'm well aware the Lorann wanted nothing to do with vaping. I emailed them years ago with questions.Lorann might have been used to make ejuice by other people. But it was never marketed or sold by lorann for that purpose. So in no way should they be considered an e juice manufacturer.
Yet the fda made a request for them to submit to the new regulations. And by this letter we know that lorann declined to submit to said regulations. On grounds that they're not an ejuice manufacturer.
Now the problem is what will the fda's response be to this claim? This is all pure speculation but to me there seems to be four options for the fda. 1 they could decide that there response is enuff and leave it at that. 2 they could say if that's true we want you to clearly label it as such on your products. 3 they could say if that's true than we want you to add a substance that make your product unvapalbe. 4 they could say no your response isn't good enuff and you still have to submit to our regulations.
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Essential oils are fine to vape. Vegetable oil carriers are not.With the word "oil" in their name I would never use them for ejuice flavoring
We might have to buy our flavorings directly from the mfg's. instead.
As we may not be able to get them from BCV, ECX, etc anymore.