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  1. UncleRJ

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    And this is a GREAT example of why we are losing ground because of the IDIOTS we have ELECTED!
     
  2. Mikhail Naumov

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    I have a sinking feeling somehow John will outlive us all.
     
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    How many years has McCain been in there?
    About like Mconnel....
     
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    haha both remember when they installed electricity
     
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    I'm not far off from what your vaping. Using 9.5 watts here. Not that it truly matters. Life is what it is.
     
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    I understand Time's point of view somewhat. I know this will be a shock but the United States government made it legal to produce propaganda, to lie to the American public via media. This happened either in 2013, or 2014 quietly and without too much media reporting it.

    Knowing this I can also know that anyone in government who desires creating a desired response from the public can and will use propaganda. All those scary stories and all the silly videos of cloud competitions? That's all media. It's all carefully crafted, manipulated to achieve a goal, a desired response.

    You claim not having emotions, not being angered. Yet here you are responding exactly like those who wound you up desired. It is clear Big Tobacco lobbies government, hell they even have revolving doors where a Senator one day becomes a vice president of a Big Tobacco company the next and vise versa. They can do that too, specifically because it is now legal to lie to anyone via the media.

    Now, if you truly didn't have emotions, were not angered then you would not bother. You do. How is that for your image, by the way?
     
  8. Mikhail Naumov

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    My image means nothing to me, not on the internet. I do it because I see everything as an intellectual debate and the more you engage me the more I engage back. As far as attrition, I'm batting 1,000, and I won't back down on my point even if I'm faced with a world of people who hate it. Plus I'm someone that a lot of people hate in reality, but I'm all someone who has accomplished a lot in reality. I can go down two paths, but then my attention is divided. I don't want respect and success, I just want success. The one person I met who had respect to give I wanted, I put a ring on that.

    I don't have emotions, not like you do, I'm a sociopath. A literal, antisocial personality disorder, diagnosed sociopath. I am not incapable of emotion, I just could never bring myself to have them over people who don't mean anything to me outside an avatar and sentences, as much as people like to think they deeply know their E-peers, a large amount of us are complete strangers and always will be.

    If I'm there, and someone responds to me, I'll respond back. Notice how it took three hours to respond to you. I wasn't here. I will defend my point of view until the end of time, there is truly no way to wear me down because you're not going to hurt me.

    Logical reasoning that lacks 100% of your emotion can let you see things in a light almost nobody else in the world can see things in, and you'd be surprised how much becomes clear when you don't have a bag of metaphorical rocks weighing down the way you look at everything.

    Just because an opinion or view or whatever is unpopular or hated doesn't mean it isn't based in truth or objectively valid, it just means people are threatened by the fact there are people with a pulse who don't think the exact same way they do and it disturbs them deeply.
     
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    @Mikhail Naumov If you truly care about these forthcoming regulations why not at least attempt to ignore these people you don't give a fuck about and stay on topic. Okay so you're a sociopath, you're also a vaper who says you care. Please let this shit go so we can follow this important topic without trying to weed through all the pointless back and fourth.

    I'm taking no sides, I just want to visit this thread and see important updates.
     
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    I agree, all I did was state an objective opinion about something that could hurt our image and by extension us. I'm not the one who decided to put myself on the stake for it.
     
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    I will echo Time's question. Who are you?

    Ever stop to think for one moment as I do not know you from John Doe, I have no opinion of you based on emotions? I see only your words here I do not care one whit about who or what you've done beyond what your words convey in the Now. Like you I am not basing my opinion of another on emotion here.

    Why are you telling me I hate you? Do you really have that authority?

    Let me give you a hypothetical here to create understanding. Hypothetically you're outside one day and it is a nice day as far as the weather is concerned. Then, it begins to hail. You take note that out of the clear blue sky a tornado has appeared instantaneously and now barrels down on you. I would love to see you tell the tornado to leave and cause no harm. Do you think the tornado would do that, hypothetically, realistically, objectively?

    Until I can witness anyone doing that with my own eyes I figure they are attaining their presumed authority falsely. Oh, and yes I want to see the tornado leave without causing harm. That validates their authority for me. I need to be right there, then and now with them too, in the flesh. We both know tornadoes strike completely at random anytime, anywhere. Could you even predict one so as to be there and save lives?

    No, I doubt you could do any of that. Ergo, you've no authority at all to tell anyone anything, much less that they hate you. In truth I doubt anyone ever will have true authority like that, all authority is thus falsely attained and usually by force or being a coercer in some way.

    I do not hate you. I do not know you. I have no opinion of you beyond what I base on your words here.

    To hate you would require me to have passion, to feel anything about you. I do not. I see your words as being false. Ergo, I see you as a liar. Alright, I dislike liars and their lying. That still is not hate. I dislike anyone who lies, the stronger aspects of dislike being for the action and choice to lie.

    But, I do not hate you. Stop telling me I do. I know what I choose feeling or not. I know my own mind, my own passions. Emotions for me come and go. I have a reasonably healthy relationship with them after years of surviving abuse. I know what I feel. I choose that, not you or anyone else.

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    Oh wow. Really? Let me stand in front of you Narcissus, you can enjoy the view. Gee, doubt you took even one second to consider that, did you? "Oh hi, this is yourself talking back to yourself."

    Sit down. Using such words as you do here means nothing to me. I am not intimidated, not impressed, not struck with awe and I certainly do not gain any pity, respect for you in any way. See? I come from a genetically disposed family line of sociopaths. We realize emotions remove objectivity early in life. We also get triggered at some point, again it seems usually early in life, to learn to get rid of our emotions.

    It is a way for us to cope with living. It is a means of survival.

    We often need to learn to have healthy balances with emotion. It is rather difficult to do for us. Petty little liars such as yourself strike us simply that, petty, little, liars.

    I am extorting this post to waste your time, only. I do not do it out out of hate. I do it because I dislike liars. I do it because I dislike anyone falsely claiming authority. You have done both it seems. You waste my time. I'll waste yours, good for the gander is good for the goose. It is no less what a reflection of you would do.

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    Blah, blah, blah. I am not trying to hurt you. If I were, you would for fact be hurt very much so. I am not trying to hurt you. I do not need to hurt you. By the same token, it does not hurt me to have you tell me your lies, to attempt claiming authority as you have. So yes, blah, blah, blah.

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    How do your words threaten me. Excuse me, I need to laugh out loudly uncontrollably while I fix my coffee. That is damn hilarious.

    Your words do not threaten me in any way, period. Nor do you, or your words disturb me on any level. All I have is dislike for the actions and choice you present here, in your words. You choose to lie. You choose acting as a liar. I dislike that.

    So?

    I will call you on it as best I'm able. Why? Because I dislike it and do not think any I consider friends need bothered your lies.
     
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    You are not a victim either. Quit attempting to play one. You deserve no cross either.
     
  13. Mikhail Naumov

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    :tldr:

    I'm not a victim, never played one. Put your petty emotions about me to the side and let the thread get back on track. Didn't read a word of your first post, because I know not a word would sink in. Quit wasting your time, I know you're an empath but really, you don't seem to understand I don't care what you think. I don't care about you. I care about vaping, I presume you do too. Fact of the matter is, anyone here can say virtually anything and it'll die quickly, if I say it, bias against me for things I've done in the past will cause people to flock to get their hate on, which they know will prompt me to respond. If you want this thread to stay on track, stop attacking me. Attack me over PM or another thread, otherwise, don't bitch about me fucking up the thread when you're the one taking time to run it off the rails by telling me how much you don't like me or because you disagree with me. Hate or disagreement is largely irrelevant, the result is virtually the same. You all know if you attack me I'll respond which will derail the thread. I'm not complaining of being attacked, I'm saying that's it's stupid to attack me then blame me when the thread flies off the rails when you know attacking me will cause me to continually respond. That's the problem, how you feel about me or if you think I'm right or wrong is not a problem.

    Also it takes two pieces of wood to make a cross, a stake is one. So that came straight out of your ass.

    To put it shorter and in a more simple manner, you telling me I'm wrong or telling me you don't like me is not going to change my mind or is it going to hurt my feelings. You doing so is a result of your own feelings and thinking. Then it turns into a debate, I respond, you respond, then you blame me for derailing the thread when you should clearly know you're wasting time by doing what you're doing and it's only because of either bias against me or because you don't agree with me. I'm not playing the victim, I'm telling you if you want the thread to stay relevant and positive, stop tasting your time flinging shit at me and trying to change me mind. I don't care if you don't agree with me or if you don't like me, I just think there's wafting hypocrisy involved by telling me I'm the cause of the thread derailing when all I did was share my opinion which was RELEVANT to our current vaping situation with the USA. Then Time decided to tell me how wrong I was, which prompted me to respond to him every single time. Now you're doing the same thing, you're talking to a brick wall and hurting the thread. I know I am too, I never said I wasn't, just saying it takes two to tango.

    Let it go.
     
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    Came straight out of his ass. Sounds like someone else we know
     
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    Please, tell us how much you dislike me and derail the thread harder. Let everyone know how hard it is for you to keep your opinions about me to yourself. Because people don't know I'm a hated asshole, they clearly need to be reminded, fuck the thread and it's message, just keep it about me.

    Jesus. You people are making me a celebrity on your own, hated or not doesn't matter, it takes a village to do this. Ignoring me is much easier.
     
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    Anyway this isn't even a thread anymore. There is nothing left to derail. Cluster fuck of epic proportions.

    Our image is fucked in the general public eye. We can fight back with the best we have, one by one your rights are being stripped because we can't even manage to have a logical discussion or debate without it dissolving into insults and childish screaming about "butt hurt"

    Even topics like mech vs regulated turn into these shit fests anymore. I don't think we will ever be able to win with that kind of attitude. And god forbid someone mention clones. The community on these forums has destroyed their own credibility by being over angry at words on a screen instead of trying to unite against the problem WE ALL face.

    Just my 2 cents, I'll give a penny back so I don't hurt your feelings
     
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    It takes at least a nickel to spare hurt feelings, don't be cheap.

    I think the whole 'clone' thing is more of an industry problem, something within our own ranks, while the FDA is an all out problem. Us vs. them. I don't know why we're constantly turning it into us vs. us but shit none of us seem to be able to help it. This is the internet after all.

    If we can't stand together, we can at least stand individually. CASAA is saying that if we all make videos describing who we are and our vaping story, it will help. Rather it will or not, doesn't matter. I personally believe doing every single thing you can is the only acceptable way to do things.

    Kind of like, if you didn't vote, don't bitch about who is in office. I'm not saying that personally, just a phrase I see a lot that can relate to this.
     
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    A smile is a sign of joy, a hug is a sign of love, a laugh is a sign of happiness and a friend like me... well ...that's a sign of good taste.

    NOW EVERYONE BE HAPPY!

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    I don't care about clones. If that's what you took out of that you have much bigger problems.

    Us vs us is the bigger problem with EVERYTHING from vaping to rights to anything political. Everyone is so busy fighting little issues they don't see the bigger issue of every last right they have being stripped away
     
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    China is involved pretty heavily now, largely because they see potential money to be made going up in flames, I don't know, I feel China could be useful. America has proved time after time, we need China as a country because it's cheaper to outsource production to them, rather than make it here. We're all experts on this I believe, because something made in America runs $120, while the same thing can be made in China (I'm not talking about a clone, just where production happens) and it'll be like $40. I feel if the government sees China is getting pissed at us, that alone could change at least a few minds. Their support is a bonus on top of that.

    I think the only people who should care about clones are the people genuinely losing money to cloned products. Consumers bitching about it is just stupid.
     
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    Low flying planes y'all. Point missed entirely
     
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    The point was for another topic relevant to the thread to start. So I could say the same thing.
     
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    Oh for the love of fuck

    What do I know I don't have all them fancy degrees and Mensa things I'm just a little country bumpkin and work in a warehouse
     
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    I said I dislike those who lie, with an emphasis on the choice and act of lying. I did not say I don't like you. I stated a dislike of a choice and action. I do not care, hurt your feelings, or not. I can express a dislike of a choice and action.

    That is called having an opinion. Again, what is good for the gander suits the goose as well. For your claim of being so intelligent you do appear so blatantly stupid. I have nothing to let go of. I did not blame you for derailing anything. I merely stated my opinion of your choice and actions as observed here.

    Yet again attempt being a victim. Oh well. As you like it I suppose, if you want to continue seeming stupid, that's your right.

    But I will take one aspect of something intelligently suggested. C'ya.
     
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    Are these sugar mold roses? * realizes he is seeing an obvious squirrel lacking subterfuge, does not care ... thinks molded sugar roses are pretty *
     
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    I think we vapers who frequent forums are too passionate, I hope the rest can band together for the common good.
     
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    Funny how the 'victim' lacks a fuck and is laughing every time he sees you post. Yeah man, I'm at such a loss. Please, continue to derail the thread long past stuff happening because you can't control your petty little emotions toward me.
     
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    Please let's not start the dick measuring contest again. I'm subscribed to this fucking thread for information. If you stop baiting to get responses we can stay on track. If you can't please go to thread that was created with all your other bullshit. Kindly keep this thread as it's attended.

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    Well Said Joe!
     
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    LOGIC: syntax error
     
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    Yep sintax is an error.
     
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    Actually, my favorite librarian is a member.

    Kinda shy until you get to know her (which I did because we share a few favorite authors and we started talking).and at one point during a friendly, very active discussion she told me that she was a member of MENSA and since then she has offered repeatedly to sponsor me for the test..

    I may even take her up on her offer one day.

    But for now I will just have to go though life being judged on my good looks alone...........................


    Ron J.png
     
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    If you can get sponsored, do it, otherwise you're going to have to lay down a chunk.

    My least favorite aspect of being in MENSA is they turn your information over to these magazines that just blow you up at first. Not just the MENSA magazine, once MENSA gets your information in the system it's turned over (not like on a massive scale but it is) to quite a few different companies. They turn you into an affiliate link essentially.

    Otherwise, paying yearly for a card that says you're smart is kind of stupid when you step outside of the box and think about it, but now that I'm a member I don't think I could let it lapse for the year.

    I don't personally recommend joining if you're paying full price for the testing, real IQ tests cost a ton of fucking money. Some high end mods cost less than an IQ test.

    Plus, RJ, you're one of the most highly decent people I've seen on this forum. There are nice people in MENSA, but a lot of them are like, well me. I know that's not a good thing in many peoples eyes.
     
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    First of all, thanks for the compliment as I do strive to be somewhat decent.

    As should we all IMHO.

    At some point, on a cruddy winter day, when I have absolutely nothing better to do, I may take the test if she buys me a cup of Joe.

    Should I pass by some miracle, that will be the end of it other than my wife and kid's getting a good laugh and the other members of MENSA getting a black eye because someone like me passed!

    What's the old saying?

    "I would never join an organization that would have me as a member"

    The Vaping Underground being the exception to the rule that is:D
     
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    I don't think it's as hard as people make it out to be to score in the 140-150+ range. Sure, the average person isn't going to, but I think there's far more people of that IQ range out there than just the 1% that's always quoted. That 1% is just the people taking the tests, there's plenty of people of even higher intellect than what I could ever hope or aspire to have who will never get recognized for it because they're plowing fields in Mongolia, but their home is full of texts of all kinds.

    I got to where I was because I always liked to learn, I like to read, I think almost everything is interesting because there's always a story to be told. Even the most SEEMINGLY MEANINGLESS stuff in the world has pages upon pages of backstory. Then there's sharpness, how fast you can recall information, mathematics skills, you'll see a lot of stuff dealing with prime numbers on the test when it comes to math things, some of it is figuring out a sequence of numerical values. Like, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, __, 55, 89 (the answer is 34, it's adding the previous number to the next every time). Then there's spacial recognition, basically fitting pieces together into a given shape, there's unscrambling words, there's all kinds of stuff on it. The most stressful part is the time, I recommend you put the time out of your mind completely, stressing over the time will slow you down because stress is never good.

    You seem full well like you could do it RJ, I can get a feel for people rather easily, and you seem to be MENSA material by everything I've seen you say, but the test is what decides it in the end. I do have faith in you though, if it's something you want and you can afford the test (especially if you can get sponsored) then go for it. The only real downside is you do have membership fees, then they kind of just redirect all sorts of 'intellectual products and texts' your way through some affiliate stuff, it's only really noticeable at first though, then it's just spaced out calls and emails you forget about.

    The one thing a lot of people don't like is the mensan reputation, but people like you could benefit MENSA because you're a highly decent person and could prove we're not all like me.
     
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    Nice sales pitch.

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  39. Mikhail Naumov

    Mikhail Naumov VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years Member For 2 Years ECF Refugee Unlisted Vendor

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    Yes, the sales pitch that came after me saying it's probably best not to.

    I personally recommend you don't, I was just saying he seemed fully able, and I described the test. Otherwise I told almost nothing related to the actual membership.
     
  40. Hottvapz

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    I don't really give 2 shits what you recommend. I find you personally repulsive. And that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. On my scale of douchebaggery your in my top 10. I'm a simple man don't really give a shit otherwise.

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  41. Mikhail Naumov

    Mikhail Naumov VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years Member For 2 Years ECF Refugee Unlisted Vendor

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    I think you're alright, but it's wonderful you took valuable time to tell me what I already knew. At this point people, including yourself, are just nitpicking everything I say for the hell of it, it's basically whoring for likes, bandwagon, bias, all that. It was a conversation, and you couldn't even resist sticking your dick in it, the same person saying stop the dick measuring contest wants to measure dicks over a simple conversation.

    You're a hypocrite, but I have nothing against you.
     
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    You're most welcome.

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  43. MyMagicMist

    MyMagicMist Platinum Contributor Member For 4 Years ECF Refugee

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    I too appreciate the value of information offered here. This is why I made my choice. I'll stick to it. Do not need all the other, thanks. :)
     
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    Roger that!
     
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    Well morning everyone :wave:

    Sorry to be a pain all but any new news updates to day?
     
  46. The Cromwell

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    I gots dry popcorn knuckles!
     
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    Thats funny, i like that one, its good to have a bit of a chuckle after all that going on :teehee:
     
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    Better ask Tip Rippers what to do about that :)
     
  49. The Cromwell

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    Vape Moar?
    Vapin a STM RBA .7 27 ga coil on a Kato box mod clone.
    Nice.
     
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    House Appropriations Committee - 4-19-16 - Cole Bishop Amendment


    Vaping and the TPD discussed in the Lords Grand Committee UK 10/05/16
     

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