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The BOREAS RTA by Augvape and Roxy
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roxynoodle
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The ALLERIA is 17 bucks
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The clone or the authentic?
Authentic
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Is there a v2 BOREAS coming out? Roxy?
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Not if the regs stand.
What do you think could be improved?
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I'm buying SS BOREAS with the knurling i dig it
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Yeah, that was always my thoughts on a v2...not sure how much we could improve? The grip slots got added, the bad o rings got rectified.
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I'd like to see a titanium version - something bullet proof. It would be worth the investment but hard to say if there is a big enough market to make it happen.
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There isn't. Nor time.
Me too
Looking into getting it taken care of.
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JEALOUS I ordered mine within minutes of it becoming available and have still not heard squat.
I think it's because I ordered both an SS and a black one
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I don't think any Merlins have been shipped yet.
Speaking of Merlin??
I need it.. I have coils reserve for her, do you have the final pic? You said the drip tip is not final?
So, do I need one?The ALLERIA is 17 bucks
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Why not!! Just a bought another BOREASSo, do I need one?
I'm thinking about the Druid RDA by AUGVAPE 13 dollars??
I already have a bunch of stuff I don't use, including some Griffins LOL And I have a Merlin on the way!
Lol, I sold all my tanks that are not in rotation,
I have
BOREASx2
Supreme
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Serpent
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I sold all my MUTANKS,Griffins,smok I hate clutter lol
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Did you look at the drawings on Subtank Supply? That's what the final one will look like.
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I misread DPs post - on first read it looked like his was in the mail with a Sig - but I see it isn't.
Still want it bad though, lol.
I'd love a 30mm Boreas, it wouldn't be an improvement just bigger.
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Maybe we should all just lug around auxiliary juice tanks on our backs
My friend made a couple videos with a message to the FDA we can ALL agree on:Lol
Fucking FDA
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With everybody suing the shit out of the FDA and advocacy at an all time high our chances actually don't look so horrible anymore.
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I'm certainly hoping so.
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Over my cold, dead batteries
I guess the problem is until the announcement of a successful injunction do you really want to spend the time and resources developing a piece of hardware that you don't think will be finish, in production, and into shelves by the time the freeze happens. I mean as is China and just about everyone else (heck they are even coming out with a Kayfun 5 already and the 4 is only a couple months old) is just going to be spraying their load of just about every type of hardware they can think of till then. But all of that pretty much needs to be either prototyping already or nearing production.
If the freeze happens unless the injunction looks like it's happening soon after. I am expecting that designs will start to ramp up again but they will be marketed as different types of products. What could they do for an Atty? That I don't know, maybe create a non ejuice liquid for "air freshening" that they could be used with, but with a wink somewhere on the web when someone asks them if it will work with ejuice. So 2.5 more months of China just dumping stuff and probably 6 months before we see new products that are not vaping related, that we can use.
I know its not supposed to be discussed in depth but they can be sold for the "other liquid stuff" and still get by regulations without any worry, they can only regulate what falls under tobacco...so Mods/RDA's/RTA's could just be sold for the other stuff and we would be okay but who wants to buy "Paraphernalia"?
Well that's my point. In the end its probably more of a marketing thing. The point being that they probably wouldn't want to spend the time designing something that they might have tear down and build back up to make it easier to sell as another liquid device. Specially if they flood the market just before the freeze. Anything that was even close to finished is going out the door half baked. In fact I would worry about any addy coming out later july or early august. So I just see a lul for several months as they start designing new items around whatever they decide to market them as in the future.
The whole time they can still be selling all of the things that they were already selling so I am not sure they would be too worried about the lul.
I hope the Cole Amendment and/or HR2058 get passed, the Cole Amendment seems pretty promising as its getting positive appraisal
I haven't heard of the Cole amendment, or have I. I heard that a rider was added to an agricultural bill that would set the grandfathered date to sometime this year. Not sure if it is called one of what you mentioned.
Surely one federal judge vapes, right? That is where you would file your lawsuit.
Surely one federal judge vapes, right? That is where you would file your lawsuit.
That's the thing I think they wanted to nip this vaping epidemic in the butt and figured that this would make it something 10% or less of the current vapers would go through. But realistically if they had actually sat down and wrote it up for true regulation liquid components testing, approved vendors list for the components. A realistic handling of new hardware (too different than it needs some testing) and gone more after advertising, packaging, and how sales are handled. They would have had community support, no to less legal issues, and still taken a hit out of vaping growth and that is the key point. Instead of trying to keep people from moving towards this "potentially, but not known if it really is, unsafe" habit. They went and just basically made current users habits illegal, under the guise that they will still allow cigalikes. I am not sure if I have seen or even read about that since the days they made weed illegal or prohibition. In theory this shouldn't end well for them. But there just might be enough hatred for smokers that passes on to us, that the FDA wins.
Yeah the Cole rider. It's impact is near zero for how the FDA ruling is handled as it has to be renewed in 2 years (and every two years after). Both still allow for the development freeze and with the Cole rider if the Agi bill doesn't get renewed in 2018 then we are at the same point and time table we had with the FDA ruling. Honestly if the Cole rider makes it through it might be the best thing for the FDA because it will instill the sense of security that the community had after the FDA said they were going to review and update their Deeming regs. Then all of a sudden with no pressure from our side the Agi bill isn't renewed and back to 2007 we go.
I thought after it expires the Grandfather date would just remain what the last entree was, it would need to reapply to make it more recent every time.
That's not what heard and got out of it. The the cole ammendment and HR2058, doesn't impact the freeze date, and setting a grandfather date past the freeze date wouldn't have any impact. No much like HR2058 I think it specifically sets the grandfather date to this year, if it isn't renewed it falls out of the rule book and the FDA ruling would win over. Which would fuck over so many business's. I mean how many are going to be sitting there till the last hoping every two years that the Agi bill is renewed, with shelves full of stock, only to see it lose like a week or two before the cut off or even worse in lets say 2020 and pretty much the next day they can't sell any of it. At least with only the FDA law you can ramp down towards the end.
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The Kayfun 4 is almost a year old dude. We're vastly aware of the freeze date 90 days from the rule deeming, but the HR2058/Cole Bill could keep shit WE ALREADY HAVE on the market. We could get on JUST FINE with what we already have, but without them, all that will be left are Big Tobacco Cigalikes and the oldest of old school pen vapes. Companies could keep making the shit they've already designed, and we could fight around it over the coming years. HR2058 and the Cole Bill aren't means to an end, they're keys to survival while we keep fighting. Learn what you're talking about.
With the Kayfun 4 I thought it was more recent. I didn't get one but the reviews I saw for it on the channels I subscribed to when they were reviewing it only seemed like 4-5 months ago. But I am sure you are right.
I think there is too much confusion on what the FDA rulling and the laws do.
The FDA ruling says in August we will be frozen to August 2016 and earlier stuff till 2018. In August 2018 it'll be kicked back to 2007 assuming the FDA hasn't authorized any new equipment (and they won't I think they want to keep it at cigalikes).
HR2058 Will permanently set the grandfather clause to the the date of the freeze. This is great. No innovation and development but at least we can continue to get the devices and juices that we love right now.
The Cole amendment. This will set the grandfather clause to the date of to the day of the Freeze. This will need to be renewed every two years to or otherwise the the date will reset back to the FDA ruling.
None of these affect the actual freeze. All of these will allow us to continue carrying on like its 2016 till late 2018. In 2018 without the Cole amendment or HR2058 we will be kicked back to 2007. The Cole is a great backup policy if HR2058 doesn't make it. But I just find it disconcerting that its up for renewal at the exact same time the FDA regs go into full effect. Because if it doesn't get renewed in 2018 then its like it never existed. If it isn't renewed at any point after that then all hell breaks loose.
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The Cole Bill sets the date sometime in 2015. You have no idea what you're talking about do you?
Was it 2015. No I haven't read it. I won't read it. I have had several people including advocates talk about, I could have sworn I heard 2016. But still rather then pick a part that date. What they all uniformly stated was that it had to be renewed every 2 years to keep that date. I am not saying its bad. I'd just rather HR2058 made it through. The Cole amendment worries the hell out of me. Now I'd still rather have Cole then no change to the date at all it's just even if keeps getting renewed, that means every two years of us crossing our fingers as it comes up to vote.
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And actually looking it up references to 2015 were made last year. As far as I could find that the date was worded to alter the grandfather clause to fit the time in which the the regs were set. Which would be august of this year. The articles talking or referencing the cole amendment or HR2058 for the most part expect those regs to be established last year.
But hey don't trust me because I was wrong on the Kayfun and therefore know nothing (like Jon Snow) maybe this might help.
http://vapenewsmagazine.com/agent-v...eemed-tobacco-products-passes-house-committee
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