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[william.osendott]

Does twisting happen because of sudden stops and starts? I might be in a small group, since I use a corded drill that keeps going a bit after I let go of the trigger, rather than stopping instantly like a cordless does

*rubs chin*

Im of that belief as well. I use a cordless, but I keep it on the lowest speed and go slowly very gradually increasing the speed to where I want and dont stop. I also try to get the frames attached to drill and swivel leaving the ribbon stack only attached to those that way it isnt subjected to so much force. (at least in my brain lol)

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[mach1ne]

Does twisting happen because of sudden stops and starts? I might be in a small group, since I use a corded drill that keeps going a bit after I let go of the trigger, rather than stopping instantly like a cordless does

*rubs chin*

i think thats gotta be one reason for it. my drill is the same. cord, no brakes, and mine has no speed control any more. it only goes about 2500rpm, so its always a very sudden start. if theres a problem with my prep, swivels or anything is out of alignment when it starts, it will pretty much wreck whatever i am working on (hitting a snag in a spool of wrap wire is hilarious). having a bit of flexibility at the swivel seems to take a lot of that off the cores/wire.

 

[BoostedTrini]

i think thats gotta be one reason for it. my drill is the same. cord, no brakes, and mine has no speed control any more. it only goes about 2500rpm, so its always a very sudden start. if theres a problem with my prep, swivels or anything is out of alignment when it starts, it will pretty much wreck whatever i am working on (hitting a snag in a spool of wrap wire is hilarious). having a bit of flexibility at the swivel seems to take a lot of that off the cores/wire.

Hey, new to posting. The lack of variable speed makes all the difference with Aliens and Staples. I recently had that issue and ended up with a 50% failure rate. New drill came on Monday, I have my variable speed again...now back to failing one in 1 in 10 to one in 20 coils again. I mainly do Aliens and Alien Framed Staples...but I do a lot of them.

 

[KingPin!]

i tend to glue both ends of my stacks if they are just going in for one pass of wrap (like a framed staple/alien framed staple etc). if i am going to do a second pass of wraps of any kind (ssfc, staggs etc) then ill only glue the drill side together, and leave the rest floating (either the center core is on the swivels and the rest is not, or the new frames are attached and the stuff i did on the first pass is not, depending on the build). i hold that stuff on with paper clip/drawstring clamps, and it zips up tight like a zipper as you do that second pass of fuse.

i have run into the situation where both ends are glued and as you wrap it up a bulge appears or something warps from not having room to move. i just hit the glue with a lighter until it softens up and lets everything get comfortable again. its not ideal having to stop and deal with that, but its never wrecked a build so far (only happened twice i think).

edit - another thing i find helps with things as you get in to more complex builds, is to attach your core stack to the swivels with something thats more flexible than the core stack. that more flexible connection will take the brunt of the tension that would normally twist your shit up. in the case of floating your stack by its frames, the frames are doing that and protecting your main stack, but on a build like an alien staple (no frames) your cores are the most vulnerable, so attaching them to the swivel with a higher gauge wire loop, or even a paper clip or something with similar springy-ness can sort out a lot of tension related issues...

So I’m wondering loop it like normal and glue stick that ....secure on a hair pin and put in the chuck of the drill ...the prep is best and strongest up this end makes sense to put it at the beginning?

Just bind the other end don’t glue it ...leave the frame longer than stack and plonk the frame in the little clamp from raymos set

Then the stack is free to do whatever it needs to do on the binding pass?

 

[The_hat_trix]

i tend to glue both ends of my stacks if they are just going in for one pass of wrap (like a framed staple/alien framed staple etc). if i am going to do a second pass of wraps of any kind (ssfc, staggs etc) then ill only glue the drill side together, and leave the rest floating (either the center core is on the swivels and the rest is not, or the new frames are attached and the stuff i did on the first pass is not, depending on the build). i hold that stuff on with paper clip/drawstring clamps, and it zips up tight like a zipper as you do that second pass of fuse.

i have run into the situation where both ends are glued and as you wrap it up a bulge appears or something warps from not having room to move. i just hit the glue with a lighter until it softens up and lets everything get comfortable again. its not ideal having to stop and deal with that, but its never wrecked a build so far (only happened twice i think).

edit - another thing i find helps with things as you get in to more complex builds, is to attach your core stack to the swivels with something thats more flexible than the core stack. that more flexible connection will take the brunt of the tension that would normally twist your shit up. in the case of floating your stack by its frames, the frames are doing that and protecting your main stack, but on a build like an alien staple (no frames) your cores are the most vulnerable, so attaching them to the swivel with a higher gauge wire loop, or even a paper clip or something with similar springy-ness can sort out a lot of tension related issues...

Pretty much how i do it right there Sometimes i dont even use hot glue for framed staple and fralien i just stack and loop my ribbonstack and frames thru the sviwels and keep them together with paper clips and keep the cores tight and only use peace of wire to secure the chuck end of the cores. But it's riskier

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[mach1ne]

Hey, new to posting. The lack of variable speed makes all the difference with Aliens and Staples. I recently had that issue and ended up with a 50% failure rate. New drill came on Monday, I have my variable speed again...now back to failing one in 1 in 10 to one in 20 coils again. I mainly do Aliens and Alien Framed Staples...but I do a lot of them.

yeah it does make a big difference. i think a lot of the stuff i do for prep is designed to counter the drill lol... welcome to 'post your builds' make sure to post some of your pics

So I’m wondering loop it like normal and glue stick that ....secure on a hair pin and put in the chuck of the drill ...the prep is best and strongest up this end makes sense to put it at the beginning?

Just bind the other end don’t glue it ...leave the frame longer than stack and plonk the frame in the little clamp from raymos set

Then the stack is free to do whatever it needs to do on the binding pass?

that sounds right. different builds require slight variations. like you might want to have the loop of the ribbon stack on your swivels, and floating frames getting fused to it, or frames on the swivels with a floating ribbon stack. it depends a bit on where the spaced claptons are (frames/ssfc or ribbon stack/staggerton), and how many passes of fuse there are (half-dub and pitchforks get into three+ passes of new layers/frames).

 

[Carambrda]

So I’m wondering loop it like normal and glue stick that ....secure on a hair pin and put in the chuck of the drill ...the prep is best and strongest up this end makes sense to put it at the beginning?

Just bind the other end don’t glue it ...leave the frame longer than stack and plonk the frame in the little clamp from raymos set

Then the stack is free to do whatever it needs to do on the binding pass?

Personally I think the loop part is just a simple timesaver as gathering the three V-shapes like shown in the video is faster than trying to stack six individual strands... so it isn't about the prep being best and strongest on that end, but rather, it is all about the other end, i.e. the non-folded end. Specifically, it is about the "having room to move" and "lets everything get comfortable again" part that you quoted, as the folded end doesn't always let you do that as easily as you had envisioned.

 

[KingPin!]

Personally I think the loop part is just a simple timesaver as gathering the three V-shapes like shown in the video is faster than trying to stack six individual strands... so it isn't about the prep being best and strongest on that end, but rather, it is all about the other end, i.e. the non-folded end. Specifically, it is about the "having room to move" and "lets everything get comfortable again" part that you quoted, as the folded end doesn't always let you do that as easily as you had envisioned.

That’s what I meant by having the loop by the drill because the other end is being squeezed like toothpaste as you wrap so by not starting up that end allows for “free-er” untwisting as we wrap

 

[The_hat_trix]

After all there is no "correct" way of doing it what works for you is the best. Me i just took little tips form diffrent styles and combined them to make style which works for me

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[mach1ne]

After all there is no "correct" way of doing it what works for you is the best. Me i just took little tips form diffrent styles and combined them to make style which works for me

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this is true. im sure i have tried a hundred different combinations of all these little details. i dont usually completely fail builds, but some attempts are harder than others for sure. eventually you sorta put all the easiest bits together for each different situation and problem each different build presents you.

 

[Carambrda]

this is true. im sure i have tried a hundred different combinations of all these little details. i dont usually completely fail builds, but some attempts are harder than others for sure. eventually you sorta put all the easiest bits together for each different situation and problem each different build presents you.

Well at least with an SSFC after you jinxed the ribbon stack you can still decide to convert the failed attempt into a regular SFC.

 

[Shredtravolta]

12ply 0.3/30/40 SSFC

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So fresh and so clean!

 

[Shredtravolta]

i tend to glue both ends of my stacks if they are just going in for one pass of wrap (like a framed staple/alien framed staple etc). if i am going to do a second pass of wraps of any kind (ssfc, staggs etc) then ill only glue the drill side together, and leave the rest floating (either the center core is on the swivels and the rest is not, or the new frames are attached and the stuff i did on the first pass is not, depending on the build). i hold that stuff on with paper clip/drawstring clamps, and it zips up tight like a zipper as you do that second pass of fuse.

i have run into the situation where both ends are glued and as you wrap it up a bulge appears or something warps from not having room to move. i just hit the glue with a lighter until it softens up and lets everything get comfortable again. its not ideal having to stop and deal with that, but its never wrecked a build so far (only happened twice i think).

edit - another thing i find helps with things as you get in to more complex builds, is to attach your core stack to the swivels with something thats more flexible than the core stack. that more flexible connection will take the brunt of the tension that would normally twist your shit up. in the case of floating your stack by its frames, the frames are doing that and protecting your main stack, but on a build like an alien staple (no frames) your cores are the most vulnerable, so attaching them to the swivel with a higher gauge wire loop, or even a paper clip or something with similar springy-ness can sort out a lot of tension related issues...

There's five things that will lead to towards relative success in building

1) Constant practice, what was once hard is now easy for me, and I know what now is hard, will be easier in the future with practice.

2) Patience, no one learns how to make an alien or a SSFC overnight, you have to stay cool and collected even during failed builds cause those are lessons that need to be learned.

3) Learn from your peers, a lot of people will be happy to give you advice for builds they are particularly good at. For example @VAPEROXX gave me some great tips on mohawk aliens and they've been super easy ever since.

4) Always have your mod nearby while your building so you can vape intermittently. It helps manage the stress of challenging builds a lot.

5) Last but not least, LISTEN TO @mach1ne !

 

[Carambrda]

, no one learns how to make an alien or a SSFC overnight,

I did learn to make an SSFC overnight... it was pretty clean even if I have to say so myself, dual coil, and in fact it was my first coil build ever, AND I did that after only 4 weeks of having picked up vaping so I definitely proved that it's possible. But I admit it's not without some psychological damage, both before and after.

 

[Shredtravolta]

I did learn to make an SSFC overnight... it was pretty clean even if I have to say so myself, dual coil, and in fact it was my first coil build ever, AND I did that after only 4 weeks of having picked up vaping so I definitely proved that it's possible. But I admit it's not without some psychological damage, both before and after.

That's pretty impressive your a better man than me. I think it took me a few tries before I learned how to make it clean. When I first started I was so focused on making alien variations that I ended up behind on staggered builds. To today, staggered builds aren't really my strength. I can certainly do them though it prolly takes me a little more time than the average experienced staggered build builder. It must have felt awesome after you made your first SSFC. I'm sure there are a bunch of people that hit it on their first try I was just speaking in generalities, maybe a SSFC wasn't the best example. You're right, I should have said an enigma or a hedgehog. I've seen your work, you're very talented you just might be a little smarter than the average bear.

 

[Branpro]

Starting the weekend off with a pair of “Megs” (aka 40g or higher ) It’s nothing fancy, but for me it’s the cleanest I’ve done in a while LOL

 

[Carambrda]

That's pretty impressive your a better man than me. I think it took me a few tries before I learned how to make it clean. When I first started I was so focused on making alien variations that I ended up behind on staggered builds. To today, staggered builds aren't really my strength. I can certainly do them though it prolly takes me a little more time than the average experienced staggered build builder. It must have felt awesome after you made your first SSFC. I'm sure there are a bunch of people that hit it on their first try I was just speaking in generalities, maybe a SSFC wasn't the best example. You're right, I should have said an enigma or a hedgehog. I've seen your work, you're very talented you just might be a little smarter than the average bear.

I certainly couldn't have pulled off that SSFC build without first watching (and re-watching) at least two dozen build video tutorials on YouTube from people like Squidoode, OhmboyOC, OhmBoy Josh, and last but not least Coil Mother Fudger's button trick video. I remember spending two whole weeks just learning by watching all those and a few others before I finally took the plunge so for me that panned out to be a lot better than just patience alone.

 

[Shredtravolta]

Starting the weekend off with a pair of “Megs” (aka 40g or higher ) It’s nothing fancy, but for me it’s the cleanest I’ve done in a while LOL

Real clean. That looks like a great vape.

 

[william.osendott]

how lucky.. thought I ordered everything early enough to make it by this weekend, but looks like with Monday being a holiday, I won't get my vape mail til Tues no builds this weekend - blah!

on a side note, I wish I could find the same deal on kendo gold that I found a few months back, 6 packs for 15 bucks.. now I have to use cotton bacon, which is a distant second imo, but 5 packs for 10 bucks isnt bad.

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[zephyr]

how lucky.. thought I ordered everything early enough to make it by this weekend, but looks like with Monday being a holiday, I won't get my vape mail til Tues no builds this weekend - blah!

on a side note, I wish I could find the same deal on kendo gold that I found a few months back, 6 packs for 15 bucks.. now I have to use cotton bacon, which is a distant second imo, but 5 packs for 10 bucks isnt bad.

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Ah yeah says Tuesday for my Coil Society Order too, but it could make it tomorrow! Had a weird thing happpen, it shipped on 5/23 but Paypal emailed me this morning saying it declined my payment...I emailed coil society saying "I need to pay you" lol it was a pricey order (for me)

Starting the weekend off with a pair of “Megs” (aka 40g or higher ) It’s nothing fancy, but for me it’s the cleanest I’ve done in a while LOL

I'm gonna do a peglegged staggerton this weekend, it staggers because it only has one leg/frame har har

Should do better than this old one

 

[Branpro]

how lucky.. thought I ordered everything early enough to make it by this weekend, but looks like with Monday being a holiday, I won't get my vape mail til Tues no builds this weekend - blah!

I feel your pain. My wire finally arrives today, I’ve been out of ribbon since last week. I’m pretty much stalking the mailman like a dog today!!!

 

[MrMeowgi]

Ah yeah says Tuesday for my Coil Society Order too, but it could make it tomorrow! Had a weird thing happpen, it shipped on 5/23 but Paypal emailed me this morning saying it declined my payment...I emailed coil society saying "I need to pay you" lol it was a pricey order (for me)



I'm gonna do a peglegged staggerton this weekend, it staggers because it only has one leg/frame har har

Should do better than this old one

So is it ribbon with a single strand on one side?

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[zephyr]

So is it ribbon with a single strand on one side?

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Yeah, ribbon stack stagger claptoned, then one round wire fused to the side, looks cool

 

[william.osendott]

Ah yeah says Tuesday for my Coil Society Order too, but it could make it tomorrow! Had a weird thing happpen, it shipped on 5/23 but Paypal emailed me this morning saying it declined my payment...I emailed coil society saying "I need to pay you" lol it was a pricey order (for me)



I'm gonna do a peglegged staggerton this weekend, it staggers because it only has one leg/frame har har

Should do better than this old one

it may make it peg, it's happened before.. just irks me that I ordered everything Tuesday except the clamps, those were wed afternoon, wouldve made it by sat but for the delay in shipping. I even asked raymo lol :/ but sh*t happens, I dont hold it against anyone lol its just the ocd/schizo/bipolar in me

that's a good idea for a build, its like a half-stagg only with ribbon lol so I guess a half-staggerton??

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[zephyr]

it may make it peg, it's happened before.. just irks me that I ordered everything Tuesday except the clamps, those were wed afternoon, wouldve made it by say but for the delay in shipping :/ but sh*t happens lol

that's a good idea for a build, its like a half-stagg only with ribbon lol so I guess a half-staggerton??

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I had a big discussion about the name of it with mach1ne, best I can figure would be "half-framed staggerton" or, a peglegged staggerton lol

 

[mach1ne]

I had a big discussion about the name of it with mach1ne, best I can figure would be "half-framed staggerton" or, a peglegged staggerton lol

and if anyone tries to say its not a pegleg stagg, ill fuckin fight them on the spot

 

[william.osendott]

I had a big discussion about the name of it with mach1ne, best I can figure would be "half-framed staggerton" or, a peglegged staggerton lol

I like peglegged staggerton

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[BoostedTrini]

yeah it does make a big difference. i think a lot of the stuff i do for prep is designed to counter the drill lol... welcome to 'post your builds' make sure to post some of your pics

10 0.4x0.1 ribbon, 28g Frames, 36g Wrap. NI80 Cores, Kanthal wrap. I don't like Kanthal at all. 3.5mm ID

6 0.3x0.1 ribbon, 27g Frames, 40g wrap. All NI80. 3mm ID

6 0.3x0.1 ribbon, twisted dual 30/40 Fused Clapton Frames, 38g Helix. NI80. 3mm


6 0.3x0.1 Ribbon. 30g Frames. 36g(or 38) Alien. Alien Framed Staples. NI80. 3mm ID
2/3(0.66) days worth of build time.


On the bottom: 6 ply 0.3, 30g Framed, 36g Alien. NI80. 3mm ID
On the top: 10 ply 0.3, 30g Framed 36g Alien. NI80, 3mm ID

 

[william.osendott]

and if anyone tries to say its not a pegleg stagg, ill fuckin fight them on the spot

I'll be on overwatch, I got you covered

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[mach1ne]

thats what im talking about @BoostedTrini

@william.osendott

 

[Carambrda]

I had a big discussion about the name of it with mach1ne, best I can figure would be "half-framed staggerton" or, a peglegged staggerton lol

Pegleggerton.

 

[zephyr]

I have to respool more 46g before I can do any more builds with it *

Pegleggerton.

YAS love it

 

[william.osendott]

looks like my wire will in fact be here tomorrow, yay! looks like I will be building this weekend after all

my clamps still say label created, but USPS is awaiting item

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[zephyr]

I made a pegleggerton



12x.3/40+30

I was recording myself, too, for a while...trial run - Instagram Live quit recording because it heard my music and knew it was copyrighted

Edit: I used a hand drill to fuse the frame because people were sleeping, saying "this has got to be the most boring shit to watch ever" lol

 

[william.osendott]

I made a pegleggerton

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12x.3/40+30

I was recording myself, too, for a while...trial run - Instagram Live quit recording because it heard my music and knew it was copyrighted

dude, that's perfect! and you were talking how my staggerton was good such lol I now to your greatness m'am

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[zephyr]

dude, that's perfect! and you were talking how my staggerton was good such lol I now to your greatness m'am

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Finally got the paraclapton down...maybe as long as I cut the wire off the spool first (I only have one spool, anyway, not counting the kbee I dont want to touch anymore lol)

 

[william.osendott]

Finally got the paraclapton down...maybe as long as I cut the wire off the spool first (I only have one spool, anyway, not counting the kbee I dont want to touch anymore lol)

I have yet to paraclapton anything lol I did it once, just to say i did it, but on an actual build - nope.. thank jeebus for the good ol' loop method


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[william.osendott]

looks like not only is my coil society order gonna make it today, but so is the cotton I ordered last minute Thurs I love vape mail.. crossing my fingers the clamps will be as well. Tracking is weird on those.

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[zephyr]

Not a pegleggerton



D: lol

I recorded it and started freaking out because someone started watching it haha

 

[zephyr]

looks like not only is my coil society order gonna make it today, but so is the cotton I ordered last minute Thurs I love vape mail.. crossing my fingers the clamps will be as well. Tracking is weird on those.

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Me too!!! That's why I love being Optimistic!



Getting 250ft .3 CLEAN ribbon, and 1k 42g, stoked up man

And So Much free time with my daughter being at her dad's, I could even walk the mile to my mailbox haha (middle of the enchanted mountain forest, "rural" doesn't even come close)

 

[william.osendott]

Me too!!! That's why I love being Optimistic!

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Getting 250ft .3 CLEAN ribbon, and 1k 42g, stoked up man

And So Much free time with my daughter being at her dad's, I could even walk the mile to my mailbox haha (middle of the enchanted mountain forest, "rural" doesn't even come close)

I just got my wire and cotton (which I just ordered cause it was cheap and I like to keep a stock pile lol) about an hour ago as for the clamps, no go. they still say USPS is waiting on the package. that kinda upsets me tbh :/

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[The_hat_trix]

You guys are so lucky that mail works at weekends. In finland no mail working at weekends

 

[MrMeowgi]

You guys are so lucky that mail works at weekends. In finland no mail working at weekends

That sucks

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[zephyr]

You guys are so lucky that mail works at weekends. In finland no mail working at weekends

Just on Saturdays, and this Monday is a no-mail holiday so maybe it works out?

 

[william.osendott]

You guys are so lucky that mail works at weekends. In finland no mail working at weekends

oh man, that's horrible :/ just no mail on sundays or the many many many federal holidays here.

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edit: though I'm thinking for a price you can, at least I've seen it in some cases, get Sunday delivery?? maybe that wasn't the USPS though, I can't remember.

 

[The_hat_trix]

oh man, that's horrible :/ just no mail on sundays or the many many many federal holidays here.

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edit: though I'm thinking for a price you can, at least I've seen it in some cases, get Sunday delivery?? maybe that wasn't the USPS though, I can't remember.

Yeah saturdays and sundays is nono + all the same holidays or even more than you have

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[william.osendott]

Yeah saturdays and sundays is nono + all the same holidays or even more than you have

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if you guys have more, then ho-ly shit! lol

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[Carambrda]

That sucks

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Mail men deserve to rest on weekends.

 

[zephyr]

I made two jumps, from 40 to 42 and from staggerton to a staggerton with staggered frames, so it's messy


8x.3+30/42

Mail men deserve to rest on weekends.

I agree, both my parents are retired from USPS.

 

[MrMeowgi]

Everyone needs a day off. No doubt about that. Especially a mailman with a vaper on their route. As many packages come through our boxes. Lol

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