I looked up WV, as far as I understood it if you're of legal age you can buy on the web, or anywhere. Here's what I looked at. http://www.legis.state.wv.us/wvcode/Code.cfm?chap=16&art=9A
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I looked up WV, as far as I understood it if you're of legal age you can buy on the web, or anywhere. Here's what I looked at. http://www.legis.state.wv.us/wvcode/Code.cfm?chap=16&art=9A
True this is...
AND... by today's corrupt standards, even those who wrote our Constitution would be considered Terrorists.
Or, that is, everyone who doesn't agree with what the Govt. "dictates".
After all they're just trying to protect us from ourselves because we're all so stupid.
Our govt. reps. are like hiring a maid for a 4 year contract and no matter what they do, or don't do, you can't fire them.
Or do much of anything else because they've got way better armor, and way bigger gunz...
Grr, I get way too upset dealing with any politics crap, better quit now before I say something far worse.
Often feel the same frustration. We're told "go vote to change it", as if it does. I too exercise discretion.
Thanks for the list, I tried to come up with it myself when I posted about online tobacco product sales but couldn't find a comprehensive list.
VTA's (The Vapor Technology Association) FDA regulation Calendar.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/85k3f5tqmnmx71x/VTA Guidance - Deeming Compliance Calendar - FINAL.pdf?dl=0
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/85k3f5tqmnmx71x/VTA Guidance - Deeming Compliance Calendar - FINAL.pdf?dl=0
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I thought this line in the calendar interesting. Had not heard anything about this.
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“Sale only allowed in the United States” which must also appear on packaging and shipping cartons."
Saw that too. Kind of makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. "ONLY for sale in the United States", um okay so why can you not sell it in China, or Africa, or Mexico? What makes juice sold ONLY in the United States so speck all? Are they going to put GMO chemicals in it for consumers in the United States? Not to be panicking or obliging a tin foil hat but I mean it does at least merit pondering ... hmm.
I wrote a letter to my congressman regarding HR 2058. This was his response:
Dear Mr. Leavitt:
Thank you for contacting me to express your support for vapor and electronic cigarette products.I appreciate you taking the time to contact me. I value your views on the important issues facing our Commonwealth and the Nation.
As you may know, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has proposed a rule that would require e-cigarette manufacturers to attain "premarket" approval for any products released after February15th, 2007 as part of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act of 2009, and for those products to attain an approval within two years. The proposed rule has been published in the Federal Register and additional information can be found by following this link.
You may be interested to know, that in an effort to address this rule, Representative Tom Cole of Oklahoma introduced H.R. 2058, the FDA Deeming Authority Act of 2015. This legislation would prevent the FDA from banning vapor and electronic cigarette products that have been released on the market since 2007, moving the effective date from 2007 to the date of the finalized deeming regulation by the FDA. By doing so, the bill would allow all vapor and electronic cigarette products to remain on the consumer market, pending approval by the FDA. I am pleased to you inform you that I am a cosponsor of H.R. 2058.
Currently, H.R. 2058 has been referred to the House Energy and Commerce and the subcommittee on Health. Please be assured that as a cosponsor of H.R. 2058 I will keep your thoughts in mind should the bill come before the full House of Representatives for a vote. I am continuing to receive and evaluate comments on this bill from the constituents of the First District and will monitor this issue as it evolves and progresses through the legislative process.
Thank you again for sharing your views and opinions with me on the important issues facing our Nation.I pledge to you that I will continue to work hard on your behalf and to fight for the principles that will continue to make this Nation great. I honestly would not be able to serve the First Congressional District of Virginia without hearing from great folks like you. As we move forward, your input on these pivotal issues will be extremely important, so please keep in touch with me via telephone at (202) 225-4261, through my website (www.wittman.house.gov), on Facebook (www.facebook.com/reprobwittman), or via Twitter (www.twitter.com/robwittman).
With kind regards, I remain
Sincerely,
Rob Wittman
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ProVape products don't meet the needs of every vaper, but they are the largest US manufacturer of vaping hardware. They are worried.
http://blog.provape.com/fda-ruling-threatens-largest-u-s-vape-hardware-manufacturer/
CASAA will be releasing a new Call To Action soon. They are currently look for the most effective ways to make our voices heard, as are other vaping advocacy groups.
http://blog.provape.com/fda-ruling-threatens-largest-u-s-vape-hardware-manufacturer/
CASAA will be releasing a new Call To Action soon. They are currently look for the most effective ways to make our voices heard, as are other vaping advocacy groups.
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That was a nice, self serving article; that, provided zero information other than a provape commercial. At least its nice to see they care about their livelihood. Maybe that will be enough to motivate some otherwise unmotivated vapors to do their part.
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I recommend watching the Latest Plumes of Hazard show on youtube. President and other members of CASA on there.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/17/anti-e-cig-dems-took-hundreds-of-thousands-from-big-pharma/
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The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you think you can change anything.
That's absolute bullshit. You can change anything in a democracy if enough people get behind it. The problem we have is most people are sheep and to politically correct to actually think for themselves. The bottom line is if you want less regulation in your life you need to vote for people who are for smaller government. To date so far 2 Republicans support the FDA Regs the rest are all Democrats. Draw your own conclusion.
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Yes, most people ARE sheep -- lazy and/or stupid -- it's easier to get your news in 3 sec soundbites than actually read anything, and then think you're well-informed. When it became uncool to read, democracy was doomed. When it became the norm to pass children to the next grade because "no one left behind" even if they were illiterate and NEEDED to be left behind, democracy was doomed. And when it became necessary to give kids awards just for being there, no excellence required, democracy was doomed. Our founding fathers had high ideals which have not been lived-up-to, because very, VERY few nowadays are anywhere near as well-educated as all of them were -- even those with advanced degrees.
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So what you're actually saying is that if people unite they could make a difference, but people don't unite since they rather fight amongst themselves and are selfish, so nothing ever changes.
I rest my case
What ever bro. Not going to get into a history lesson with you. There are countless examples in this countries great history of people getting together and making real changes.So what you're actually saying is that if people unite they could make a difference, but people don't unite since they rather fight amongst themselves and are selfish, so nothing ever changes.
I rest my case
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A little ray of hope here....
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/...rom-fda-on-burdensome-e-cigarette-regulations
Looks like the FDA DOES have to answer to someone else.
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/...rom-fda-on-burdensome-e-cigarette-regulations
Looks like the FDA DOES have to answer to someone else.
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This and Cole-Bishop are the only things letting me sleep at night.
You should post this in the news area, too. Nice find!!!!
Which house of congress does the libtards control?
They is both tards.
I am registered to vote with no party affiliation.
So most of you can decide which tards to put up for the final in November.
Yep but the other side has control now...
Why aren't they doing something?
Could it be because they like some things the other side did? But do not want to say that?
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because its time for a silent revolution and vote their asses out of office.
- the best part about this country and its flag-
Ohh I agree but the majority keeps on voting the same bastiges back in time and again.
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No shit - us vapers need to unite against them all and bicker about everything else somewhere else
Both parties take lots of money from BT and BP.
That's a fact.
I don't think it has anything to do with education...the whole idea of this country was that the common man not legal scholars had the ability to goveren themselves....it's not a problem of the people not willing to rule ..on a very real level every American knows that the political class and the uber rich run the country, and that they will do everything possible to get in the way of the people's will....the people vote one way and a group of lawyers shop the vote to a judge who will give the lawyers the decision they want and the people's will is suddenly declared illegal......a group of lawyers tell us what we are allowed to do and not do.....so in fact our vote is meaningless.....a decade ago the people of California voted to defund illegal immigrants and a group of rich men hired lawyers to steal their vote....personally i'd love to see a general strike...
Yep we got no time for peckernecks.
We must work on all of our government to keep vaping viable.
We must work on all of our government to keep vaping viable.
the file of both sides is pretty rank.
All from me on politics.
Contact your representatives from either party and make you feelings on vaping known.
I contacted both of my US Senators (r) and got far less than satisfactory replies from them.
All from me on politics.
Contact your representatives from either party and make you feelings on vaping known.
I contacted both of my US Senators (r) and got far less than satisfactory replies from them.
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me too, I felt like when I climbed the rope in gyme class
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I'd love to see a Senate investigation of the FDA
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Just paid for my SFATA membership.
So, again is there any vaping orginzation that has sat down with their lawyers yet and culled through the deeming regs and can give us a clearer picture of what we are up against and what preperations what things we need to buy before the 90 days are up.
Because frankly at this point I wouldn't be surprised at tall if he goverment does crazy shit.
Or has CASSA or anyone else mentioned when we can expect their analysis of the future.
Because frankly at this point I wouldn't be surprised at tall if he goverment does crazy shit.
Or has CASSA or anyone else mentioned when we can expect their analysis of the future.
I just want to know what if any restrictions will be put on nic base...but it appears the goverment is being real sneaky and making this all very vauge and open ended so they can step in at any time and interpet the regs to mean anything they want it to mean,so if we try and outmanuver them the can head us off at the pass.
Just another typical over reach by the Obama Administration.
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With the legislations like tpd in Europe and bill 45 up here. We are all watching and helping in whatever ways we can, as we know that the USA decision on what to do with vapes will dire tly impact us.
My sister lives in California, she is active with communication based solely off my great experiences. My ability to run a tough mudder, my insanely better health, my achieving new goals, which were difficult in the past.
If we can get family and friends who used to call us out on smoking to chip in with an email, we can definitely get more attention.
We all need to help out in pushing an actual smoke free place.
My sister lives in California, she is active with communication based solely off my great experiences. My ability to run a tough mudder, my insanely better health, my achieving new goals, which were difficult in the past.
If we can get family and friends who used to call us out on smoking to chip in with an email, we can definitely get more attention.
We all need to help out in pushing an actual smoke free place.
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From what SFATA and CASAA along with I believe a NBS member said in that podcast, IF YOU PLAN TO USE ANYTHING IN RELATION TO VAPING, other than like, tools, it will be deemed a tobacco product, this included nicotine base.
Yes restrictions will be put on nicotine sold for vaping, anything including 0 nic juice..batteries..wire...etc..etc will have restrictions if related to vaping.
Temco will continue to sell wire unimpeded, labs will continue to sell nicotine unimpeded, KGD will continue to sell cotton facial pads unimpeded...etc..etc. Anything not being sold for vaping and listed as such will be unaffected.
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If kanthal is meant be used with a vapor product, it's a TP in the FDA's eyes.
Even 0 nic juice, vape it, TP.
Even 0 nic juice, vape it, TP.
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The Cole-Bishop amendment not only will be LAW if it passes, yes LAW, not just a two year thing, from what they said it will stop the FDA from paying people to enforce the regulations AND set the grandfather date for THE DAY the regulations go into place.
Right now, that's our best hope, and it's looking good.
Right now, that's our best hope, and it's looking good.
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Oh I know, that's how vaping will survive if the regs aren't stopped. I HATE to say it, but I see mods and RDA's being marketed for.. , usage, if this goes down JUST to stay on the market.
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0 Nic juice will become, food flavoring in glass bottles you'll have to buy 'non-vaping' related nicotine base to use in.
Mods will become, collector and novelty items or GOD FORBID.. products.
RDA's and RTA's, same as mods.
Cotton can be sold as cotton, wire as wire.
Through this sort of grey market plus the black market that will run on a local level, vaping will survive if worst comes to worst. But the real tragedy is.. all those smokers? Forget 99% of them converting to an alternative with THAT much secrecy involved. That's the worst part of it, the smokers we can save.
Cole-Bishop could save us, at least as-is when the regs hit, forever. As much as it would suck to see nothing new, WE COULD live with ALL the juices out and ALL the products out. The question is.. will the companies keep making them? Innovation is competition, competition is money. As much good as this could do.. I think a lot of manufacturers would just, stop after a year or two.(Worst realization ever, I just thought of that, with no innovation, the profit margin shoots down, when that goes, 95% of companies go bye bye because money is the intensive, most people making our current shit don't even vape believe it or not.)
Think about this though, it's wild.
If CB goes through and innovation stops. When all the smokers eventually convert, or 99% of them do, and tobacco dies out.. where does vaping go? I mean, will it survive? Should it? If tobacco is GONE, no more smokers, and all the vapers die of old age, is there a point for it anymore, especially if innovation is killed?
Mods will become, collector and novelty items or GOD FORBID.. products.
RDA's and RTA's, same as mods.
Cotton can be sold as cotton, wire as wire.
Through this sort of grey market plus the black market that will run on a local level, vaping will survive if worst comes to worst. But the real tragedy is.. all those smokers? Forget 99% of them converting to an alternative with THAT much secrecy involved. That's the worst part of it, the smokers we can save.
Cole-Bishop could save us, at least as-is when the regs hit, forever. As much as it would suck to see nothing new, WE COULD live with ALL the juices out and ALL the products out. The question is.. will the companies keep making them? Innovation is competition, competition is money. As much good as this could do.. I think a lot of manufacturers would just, stop after a year or two.(Worst realization ever, I just thought of that, with no innovation, the profit margin shoots down, when that goes, 95% of companies go bye bye because money is the intensive, most people making our current shit don't even vape believe it or not.)
Think about this though, it's wild.
If CB goes through and innovation stops. When all the smokers eventually convert, or 99% of them do, and tobacco dies out.. where does vaping go? I mean, will it survive? Should it? If tobacco is GONE, no more smokers, and all the vapers die of old age, is there a point for it anymore, especially if innovation is killed?
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I think there will always be a market for nicotine products (vaping) and that it won't ever stop, at least not until big pharma has everyone medicated. Nicotine helps people who are bipolar, people who are schizophrenic, people with chronic anxiety disorders, people who are stressed, and people with depression. Part of it is the ritual aspect (the tinkering, and the repetitive movements involved with both vaping and smoking), which is why the patch is such a flop, and part of it is the nicotine itself.
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The problem is, while a black and grey market for veteran vapers will MOST CERTAINLY survive even the worst doomsday conditions, what about smokers looking to quit? As you said, the patch, that gum, it's not very effective. Then there's that Chantix pill with side effects scary enough to drive seasoned drug addicts away from taking it. Vaping won't be convenient and accessible for them, so they'll keep smoking. I have no doubt most of us here can survive, but we're just one generation. Think of the future vapers who will never get a chance.
Oh I hear ya. That's one aspect that really pisses me off about this whole FDA thing. It's not just how it might affect me, but all of the other people who might end up never getting a chance to have an alternative. Not only are there tons of current smokers but there's numerous kids who are lighting their very first cigarette right now this second and who might end up being condemned to smoking, rather than being given the chance to switch to vaping. Cigarettes killed my father and were in the process of killing me when I switched to vaping. It's not a fate I'd wish on anyone. Well, except maybe those at the FDA who are trying to stop the vape.
If we can get congress to save vaping, even if it's a case of no further innovations allowed, but at least with today's current products being grandfathered in, then I think it'll be around for a very long time (for the reasons I stated above). The number of manufacturers might dwindle to only a handful, but it'll survive, even after we, the current vapers, die off.
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Even if shit is grandfathered in, how many companies will just keep making identical shit? Not only would we lose innovation entirely, but they would lose a lot of profit due to dying competition because there is no more innovation, which leads to no competition, which leads to profits tanking. This leads to BIG companies like Innokin and the like being all that's left. Geekvape, The Machinist, Evolv, Yihi, P4U, Sigelei, when they lose, 80% of their market due to no more innovation, they'll stick around for a few years then just drop out because they're in it for the money. Well, Evolv isn't, but, you get my point. When you can't innovate, when you're forced to produce the SAME shit for years, how long can you hold on and still profit in a way that makes it worth it? As much as we'd like to think a lot of our stuff is by vapers for vapers, 90% of it is from people who don't even vape.