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  1. nadalama

    nadalama VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 1 Year Moderator

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    Well I've been trying to point you toward several different things I thought would work well for you.

    Sub-ohm can be for flavor chasing too, but the builds and airflow are different. Again, 0.45 to 0.7 is a good place to start, with the wire I told you about, or that same size of wire in a different brand if you have a particular brand you want to use. Yes, the type of metal, the size and number of strands of wire, the number of loops, and the size of the loops are what determines the coil's resistance.

    There's a lot to learn when you try to take on everything at once. My own progression through what you are trying to do took at least six months, and I was reading here at VU and learning that whole time.

    Oh and you can do sub-ohm vaping in a SO tank, an RDA, an RTA, or an RDTA. Just not the ones that are labeled MTL.
     
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  2. Synphul

    Synphul Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    Nah shouldn't cost you all that unless you go with some real expensive stuff or multiple setups. Even just estimating, say $40-50 for a decent dual battery regulated mod. Another $30-40 (could be less if you find discount codes) for the atomizer. $10-15 for fancy premade stuff on a spool or a variety pack of coilology coils or similar (though not many of them may not fit mouth to lung rta's if they use small coils, in that case just get a spool of like 26 or 28ga stainless or ni80 for a few dollars and wind your own coil. Super simple). So you're up to maybe $100, a decent 4 bay charger for like $20-30, couple sets of batteries for $20-25 (all 4). $150 is being generous. If you're on a tighter budget or looking to save money I'm sure one of us could find you some deals to make it a lot cheaper.

    I'm all about the cheap and it doesn't always mean shitty gear. Like right now there's sales going on for US based sources, the vaporesso gen mod is like $34, uwell crown 4 for $32, smoant battlestar for $30, the aegis legend kit (comes with subohm direct lung tank) for $37 and that's a dual battery impact and water resistant mod.
    https://cheapvaping.deals/category/vape-deals-by-category/box-mods-deals

    Just an example I got an ipv eclipse dual 18650 mod for like $26 shipped, running a dual coil direct lung rta the advken manta and it was like $25 for the atomizer and a couple spare glass tanks. $45-50 for mod and atomizer. I'd be able to get a 4 bay charger and 2 sets of quality oem batteries to go with a mod and atomizer and be right around $100-110.

    As for an atomizer that does both mtl and dtl, haven't seen one yet. Not one that does both well and often times when they try to do both they fail at both. They may claim to but in my opinion they're just different. There's more to it than closing off air inlets and using a smaller drip tip. On a mtl, the chamber needs to be smaller, the chimney narrower. Exaggerated but imagine trying to puff on a 55gal drum like a cig. You put a tiny tip on it but there's so much volume it'd be a futile effort. Many that claim to be mtl are too airy to me, they don't replicate a cig unless maybe that cig has no filter and packed so loose the tobacco is falling out. Hard to get a nice tight restrictive mtl hit. And when it comes to you get what you pay for.. eh. Maybe? More often than not the high priced stuff is hyped and riding a brand name. They hope people equate price with quality. Not saying there's no quality difference, but a $20 discounted rta can taste just as good as a $50 one. That mod I got for $26 shipped started out as a $75+ mod when it first released and there haven't been that many things improved in the last year when it comes to regulated mods.
     
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  3. SnapDragon NY

    SnapDragon NY VU Donator Platinum Contributor Member For 3 Years VU SWAT

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    To tell you the truth I think newbies should keep it simple-
    I started with a gas station cig-a-like almost 5 years ago and still have not had a cigarette. Moved up to ego batteries and evod tanks from there, now 0ver 4 years later I have pricey great mods, tanks,RTAs and RDAs- baby steps. I smoked cigarettes for 30+ years.
    You want simple batteries and tanks to start- like now one of the new pod systems on the market like the Lost Vape OrionQ or the Smoant Pasito
    These types work great- are small and easy to keep in your pocket- no glass that gets broken and no leaking with pods.Why get so frustrated in getting started with vaping in the beginning- nice to have the easy gear as back-ups and travel mods too- the ones you desire are not the easiest to fit in your pocket either with possible leaking and breaking glass- what are you gonna do when something on your pricey gear breaks- you don't want cigarettes to be your back-up plan!
    I use the pods as well as my nice gear
    I think you should try a few of the nicer pod systems to start your vaping journey- plug and play, easy peasy! You should get 2 one to vape while the other charges- nice starting point-
    Many of the "affordable" gear out there now doesn't mean it is junk- prices have been coming down on all of this gear- lots of great sales on very nice gear out there- so you can't go by price to determine great gear.
     
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  4. Synphul

    Synphul Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    I'd have to agree with SnapDragon. I don't know what works or has worked for others, I made the same trip when I began vaping getting off cigs. It seems like well in hindsight I'd have done this or done that and skipped whatever - just jumped to a fantastic setup. But I don't think so, I don't see it as a waste but rather a learning process. Not just learning about vaping but what worked for me personally and that's something each person needs to sort out. I started on cigalikes for a bit, 18mg nicotine. Not salts, just regular ejuice. Then I progressed to ego pens, more juice capacity, a better hit, still a nice tight proper mtl draw, better flavor. I got a kit that had 2 units so I could charge one and use the other. Like $40 or something from halo, had a couple tanks, couple coils, couple batteries and came with a 30ml bottle of juice as well as a charger. Far from perfect but it was a start.

    I only got into direct lung by accident, got sick of factory coils burning out too soon and being expensive. Initially they lasted me 7-10 days on a coil, then 3-4, then finally they'd burn out on the second fill of the tank. So I got into building with an rta, one that promised to be either mtl or direct lung inhale. That's when I discovered that line of bullshit. Being stubborn, I coughed and choked on it and kept at it until I learned to direct inhale. It was in no way meant for mtl. My first actual box mod was a 100w unit, then I got into 200w mods but mostly for battery life since I rarely vape over 70w. I slowly got into making my own coils from simple round wires to twisted, staged coils, fused claptons, aliens. Along the journey I discovered I prefer stainless steel. Is it the best wire? For me it is, for you or anyone else it might be kanthal or ni80. More recently I got into diy'ing my juice. But none of that happened overnight or in one go, it was a steady progression over the last 3 1/2 years.

    Any of us can tell you what we prefer, tastes the best to us or works best for us but everyone's a bit different. It may not work for you. Vaping could absolutely work for you, but something different than what we enjoy. There's people around the forums that like kanthal, I dislike it. Doesn't make either of us wrong, we like what we like. The beauty of vaping in spite of all the head swimming choices and variety - all the choices.
     
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  5. lordmage

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    i wont bore anyone with the details of what i have been thur to find the perfect for me right now vape.
    just be sure to know that i also agree with snapdragon newbies should always keep it easy/simple (avoid mechs) and what they like flavor wise.
    i always suggest they avoid trying to find the like this analog brand flavor and just find something that taste good for the time being after all for a bit your taste buds will be changing.
    Once your off analogs completely and your taste buds have recovered you may have to find a new flavor or two and do this repeatedly across your changes.

    also be sure to learn about nic overdose warning signs , stay hydrated , also learn as much as you can about Flavor profiles ,
    your preferred vape style be it mouth to lung or direct inhalation those will affect your device choices and juice strength.

    have at least 2 devices for the style you can enjoy the most if not 4... route 2 and have stored back ups but only once you have settled on what you like and your style of vaping.
     
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  6. nadalama

    nadalama VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 1 Year Moderator

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    All this being why I suggested the Berserker pen kit. It's a good first step.
     
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  7. SnapDragon NY

    SnapDragon NY VU Donator Platinum Contributor Member For 3 Years VU SWAT

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    Forgot to add- much Will Power is needed when quitting smoking - at least it did for me, even with vaping the 1st few weeks I craved cigarettes, vaping does not taste like a cigarette at all- but gave myself 2 weeks to cut back and then refused to buy any more. Set my quit date for Dec 1,2014, stuck with it and toughed it out on some days even with my ecigs- and have remained cigarette free!
     
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    nadalama VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 1 Year Moderator

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    I was really lucky. Had quit smoking altogether for 3 years, and then stupid me picked the cigs back up for about a month. I was mad at myself for it every day, so when I saw that horrible Blu hanging on a hook in a convenience store, I decided to try it. Haven't bought cigs for myself since that day. It was super easy.

    What I did realize right away was that I wasn't going to spend $7.99 for a Blu every other day, so I started looking for alternatives on the Internet. Found 510 batteries in a little kit with cartridges and chargers for $10 at Madvapes. Bought a couple of those plus some juice and cartomizers, and I was off the cigs.

    My sister, who is 8 years younger than me, was diagnosed with COPD in her late forties. Her father died at 59 from emphysema, so it was in her genetics (she's a half-sister). She was disabled and living with me for a few years, and I just refused to buy cigarettes for her, essentially made her switch to either nothing or vaping. She has come around incredibly well by moving to vaping, and is like a new person now. I was an ass to her about the cigarettes, but thank goodness for it. Examples like this are what make me just smack my head at all the hoo-hah that's going around now, all for the sake of some rich people's bank accounts. It's utter bullshit. Vaping saves lives and no one can tell me different. I have seen it for myself.
     
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  9. Vape Fan

    Vape Fan More like I am now, than I was before VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    Mostly, airflow determines that but not in the sense of just turning it down. Their deign is why most are either good for MTL or good for DTL and not both.
    As air hits the coil and reaches the drip tip, the air coming out of the air ports in a DTL are larger than for MTL and that affects the air pressure hitting the coil. So turning down DTL and restricting it's airflow doesn't produce the vape quality like one designed for MTL.

    Starting out, without knowing exactly what you want, go with these for less than that $30 spool.
    https://www.advancedvapesupply.com/...-ss-alien-coils-28gx3-36g?variant=24182283905
    Only $3.50 ea. shipped using the code. (28x3/36 3id 6 wrap (called wraps not loops) @ .28Ω. You'll be able to make it 5 wraps by removing a wrap by putting it on a tool and pulling one end with needle nsoe/plyers making it about .23Ω, or add a 1/2 wrap on leg and make it 7wraps @ about .32Ω.
    This will not only tell you if you like those Ω ranges, but the tank itself. Don't get too far ahead of yourself too soon. You can get spools later.
    Sub ohm CAN to be for cloud chasing but your not going for that.
     
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  10. zeronic2019

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    I’ve been where you are and I got deep in building coils and finding the perfect RDAs LOL

    Right now I use all sub-ohms. The flavor is good to very good and the ease is priceless.

    If you want to do the RDA/RTA path, message me and I have some old stuff I can pass on to you for just the price of shipping. I don’t build anymore.


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  11. MyMagicMist

    MyMagicMist Platinum Contributor Member For 3 Years ECF Refugee

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    I can agree with these rough figures. Think I have only spent roughly $250 - $300 for about 2-5 years of vaping, inclusive of juice, S&H costs. I likely could have spent $175 - $225 though and had mostly the same experience I have had. Then, a person needs to try a few different ways about doing something new.

    Compare the at maximum $300 for five years to the possible $10,000 spent for cigarettes for the same year duration. I think I made out like a bandit keeping my costs as low as I have. All in whatever the cost I have ran up for vaping, it hasn't really concerned me too much beyond knowing I do not aim for the high dollar gear.

    -- Hardware --
    Not much point in shooting the moon for vaping gear when truth be told a sardine can and thimble can do much of anything you need. Add some ready made up coils if you want. Maybe add some extra squonk bottles and a repair kit, Muji cotton for wick. $65.54 total before adding S&H, add in another $10 - $15 for a pair of 18650 batteries, $10 for a single cell charger, add another $15 for S&H $100.54. You'll have enough cotton and coil to last you at least six months to a year, possibly longer.

    -- Consumable --
    Juice? I might add in another $75 for an unflavored base juice and two, or three flavorings which I can play around with using the unflavored base. Less that $200 for consumables & hardware and I'm looking at roughly a year, maybe two of gear and juice enough. of course, the gear will likely hold up longer. My point is I'm set for at least a year, or more for a low cost start up cost.

    That's my kit though and it took me a little to get "there". I started with cigalikes, then Ego batteries and clearomizers. I am glad to have gotten settled to squonking and an RDA. It "works for me". Ultimately that's all that matters too, what works for you.
     
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