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  1. monsterlove

    monsterlove New Member

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    I got my first RDA today, the troll v2. I used the prebuilt coils that come with it, kanthal twisted dual coil, comes to 2.7 ohms and I was hitting it at about 70 watts. Wicked it, and it produces a good amount of vapour. No dry hits, leaking, good. But the flavour is nowhere near as good as my baby beast. Any tips on how to boost it? I thought RDA were good for flavour and clouds. I got the clouds but I want the flavour.

    I have 24, 26 and 28g kanthal to play with and lots of muji cotton. I was using the chuff cap on the troll.

    Thanks.
     
  2. nightshard

    nightshard It's VG/PG not PG/VG VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    The Troll V2 is not the best atty for flavor, you would have to close the airflow about half way to get decent flavor.

    The coils that came with it are crap, you should build bigger much bigger.
     
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    ej1024 VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    25mm?


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  4. monsterlove

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    No 22mm.

    Build bigger? This is my first time building, could you explain please? Maybe a bigger coil diameter like 2.5 to 3mm? Thicker wire? As I said I have 24, 26 and 28g kanthal available to play with.
     
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    ej1024 VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    Do 24 3.0 5/6 wraps


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  6. nightshard

    nightshard It's VG/PG not PG/VG VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    Or claptons (you will have to get another thinner wire for the wrap).
     
  7. nightshard

    nightshard It's VG/PG not PG/VG VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    2.7 ohm makes no sense, you must have a loose connection somewhere.
     
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  8. monsterlove

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    Hmm I forgot to mention I have some 26x32 clapton wire...

    Also my bad on the ohms, I meant 0.27...
     
  9. nightshard

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    26/32 are a bit small but a good start.
     
  10. nightshard

    nightshard It's VG/PG not PG/VG VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    Got the Troll V2 25mm, don't use it much these day since I've got better.

    Last time i used it was with a pair of fused 26/36 3ID
     
  11. monsterlove

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    I'm practicing some wraps now of this and the coil is coming out tiny. It's half the size of the spaced coil that came with it. Is that okay?

    Could you check my calculations in steam engine please for a dual clapton build? Also, I don't see a recommendation for wattage on the wire wizard, how can I find that out?

    Thanks
     
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    That's perfectly fine....
    Adjust wattage to your liking...


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  13. Twisted Vaping

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    The Troll V2 is in my RBA Collection and what i can say concerning flavour is That no matter what Setup i was using, the wide bore drip tip killed any flavour. I Had to use the 510 adapter with a Big 510 drip tip Then everything was Fine.

    You also Might think about your wicking. I found out it is VERY Important that your cotton is not underneath your coil and the ends Barely Touch the bottom of the Juice well. NO cotton in the juice well, the less cotton the better. The reason is the Quite small chamber and the air Flow.

    I think These two Aspects Are was more Important than the coils for flavour in the Troll
     
  14. nightshard

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    The Troll is very airy.
    IMO it's not the wide bore drip tip that killed your flavor as there are many attys with wide bore that have good flavor (like Goon and Kennedy), it's just that you're 510 adapter acted as an airflow restrictor.
     
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    I agree, i switched to the Tsunami 24 and use it with a wide bore and the flavour is Amazing.

    The reason why i experienced the wide bore on the Troll as flavour Killing is that i can close the afc to one third, and the flavour still is not als good as with the 510 with Full openened airflow.

    So this is my personal experience. It could be the fact that the troll wide bore is nearly as wide as the whole chamber ? So the vape is not circulated enough? I don't know.

    But I think trying different drip tips is easy and COULD lead to better results.
     
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    Now I'm using two 7.5 wraps of 24g kanthal at 0.38ohms, scottish roll wick, and the smaller drip tip.

    It's better but still not really that good. Next I guess I'll do less wraps, get the ohms down. Maybe play with the wicking a bit because I think maybe they can be shorter and then maybe try a parallel or clapton build.

    I've also realised I don't know how to share my configuration in the wire wizard...it shows two claptons at over 0.4 ohms though with 5 wraps, which seems high. I'd like to get it lower but I can't use 2 wraps to just to get it under 2 ohms surely...the good range of wraps is 5-8 usually right? Maybe my clapton wire is just too thin on the core and too thick on the wrap(26x32)?
     
  17. SirRichardRear

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    what mod/batteries are you using?
     
  18. monsterlove

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    therion 166 and lg hg2. why? if it's to do with the clapton ohm readings etc from my last post those aren't from my mod, those are steam engine calculations.
     
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    cause it matters how you build and plus i didn't want to see someone building super low ohms on a series mech or somthing with efest batteries lol.
    since you are using a regulated a mod the resistance doesn't really matter. building a bit lower doesn't make a difference. What you want for more flavor is increased surface area of the wire. something like fused claptons or aliens would give better flavor then regular wire or plain claptons. more wire touching more cotton = more flavor and vapor. Flavor comes from a mixture of vapor production (which will be your surface area and power) and air (air flow of your atty) too much air and too little vapor production = muted flavor. Too much vapor production and too little air = too hot and or burnt flavor. you gotta get the mixture in the sweet spot. the troll is a very airy RDA not a great one for flavor. it's more of a cloud chucker for huge builds
     
  20. monsterlove

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    Oh I see, yeah I don't use mechanicals and I have made efforts to educate myself and play safely even with a regulated mod. I have heard the surface area thing before. I suppose I could try and get some alien wire or something. The troll is giving me very good clouds, and the flavour isn't terrible but I thought it would be better than my baby beast with its stock coils.
     
  21. SirRichardRear

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    baby beast does give real good flavor. but pretty much any RDA with the right build should be better. Have you thought about trying a different RDA maybe?
     
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    You think it's partly my RDA then? Well, I won't be getting one for a while as I've spent so much recently, and I want to continue playing with the troll, but I will happily take a recommendation for the future.
     
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    Not fully your RDA but the troll isn't known for being a flavor monster by any means. You can still get good flavor with large builds but it's not gonna win any awards lol. And to be honest you can get a decent RDA for around the same price your alien coils would cost. might even want to look into some single coil smaller chamber ones that work well with smaller builds. I mostly vape with large builds and airy atomizers so I don't think any of my favorites would suit you well but many people here probably have some good recommendations. I know one's like the narda and hadaly are pretty popular but i personally don't have them.
     
  24. Carambrda

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    With the right set of coils and the right wicking you might actually be surprised to find out how well the Troll RDA 2 can perform flavor wise. Not saying it's the best, but having paid less than half for my 25mm Troll RDA 2 than what I paid for my 24mm black Goon... in terms of just the price vs. how much flavor it can produce I am inclined to inform you my Troll paints circles around my Goon, albeit I have to admit the Troll can be a really very hard one to please about coils if big flavor is what you are after so don't just put big coils in it, but put big coils in it that actually hold more juice than the cotton that you put inside those big coils. If you do THAT, I can assure you it'll hold its own. :cheers:
     
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    got rid of mine a while ago. and personally i find the goon overrated. best flavor for me is bottom airflow RDAs. I'll still take my tsunami 24, Pharaoh, and hatty RDAs over most of the "super expensive popular" ones like the goon and TM and such.
     
  26. monsterlove

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    So how do you please your troll? lol

    I'm trying a new build right now - 24g 3mm diameter parallel coils at 1.4 ohms, 80 watts. Cut the wicks shorter this time and didn't make them as tight in the coil as the scottish roll I tried. It tastes better than my other attempts, but I didn't really want the ohms to go that low, 1.4 makes me a little uncomfortable to be honest. Wrapping the parallel coils was nice though and they turned out pretty well, I think. I'd share pics but my phone camera sucks. I'll try my clapton wire next.
     
  27. MrScaryZ

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    get some good claptons the coils are junk that come with it some fused claptons Stainless are you best bet for flavor I run two and the flavor is awesome
     
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    You please it by trolling on ecf and then softly whispering in its ear that you did that. :bliss:
    Seriously, though... I put staple staggered fused claptons in it, 26 Kanthal / 4ply .5x.1 Kanthal ribbon / 36 Ni80 (5 wraps at 2.5mm, .11 Ohms in a dual setup), I put the wide bore drip tip on it, I use the diagonal holes 2/3 of the way open, I wick my coils by pulling the cotton almost completely tight as well as pushing the ends of the wicks tightly against the binding posts so that there's some actual airflow going on everywhere underneath despite that I trim them diagonally so they are in fact a few mm longer than "normal" at the top, but not at the bottom, and, finally, I give it four VTC5A batteries on a Reuleaux RX300. I can see it's got a very pleased look on its face. :D
     
  29. BrokenSoul805

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    I could have sworn it said please in Spanglish por favor! Lol

    About troll I have the v2 25mm and ss clapton dual with 7 to 8 wraps at the biggest size I got tapped which is the coil master black and red case with blue and silver coil wrapping tools... anyways im trying crazy ish now im so sick of same old same... good luck and have fun man it's definitely a hobbie not an addiction at least with me been on 0 mg nic for a few months now!
     
  30. Locomotion

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    I have the troll v2 as well not using it at this time but try using claptons a big difference also try using less wick.
     
  31. Carambrda

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    Try building your 25mm Troll RDA 2 the same way I did. I promise the flavor will flat out bitchslap you in the face... Kanthal A1 25.5g / 4ply Kanthal A1 .5×.1 ribbon / 36g Nichrome80 staple staggered fused clapton, 5 full wraps, 2.5mm ID, dual coil = .1 ohm... to be able to make 5 full wraps I simply decided to put both legs of one coil in the two bottom postholes, both legs of the second coil in the two top postholes:

    build1.jpg
    troll.jpg
     
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    SHATT!!! Nice
     
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    510 drip tip for flavor without having to use ridiculous coils. Long known. Big part of kayfun’s fantastic flavor.
     
  34. Carambrda

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    For flavor with the 25mm Troll RDA 2, the wide bore drip tip─using the diagonal air holes, 2/3 of the way open─still has my preference. Those staple staggered fused claptons that I built may look ridiculous to you, but the flavor they produce is through the roof. Short known. But known by me. :D
     
  35. Locomotion

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    Anyone ever point time and full effort in a build then comes out with less flavor as expected.(claptons)
     
  36. MrScaryZ

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    I Have used The Troll daily for about 6 months now put some SS claptons on it make sure you do not too much cotton and it can really excell
     

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