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here is why it bothers me
1. it seems to be the going trend. Yes there are some deals to be found here. But moe and more I see people setting prices as high as new stuff. SO the deals SEEM imho to be dwindling
2. When I see people asking the same or about the same price as a new one goes for and I see people buy it... i feel we as a community are taking advantage of each other
3. I get so excited when I see a thread title WTS :Something matt wants only to see a ridiculous asking price. and half the time I send offers I get ignored.
and this is the u mad bro section so i just wanted to vent.
in the long run it changes my life very little if any if people are ripping each other off because both or one side of the transaction does no price research first. or people over value what they are buying etc. its their choice and they are all free to make their own choices.
i mean if i cared that much I could be the price nazi and go into ever WTS thread and point out the prices of items new, or the problems with said device etc etc and be a dick to every seller here. BUt I have no desire to do something like that or even care enough.
But when someone is selling something I would buy and asking the same price as you can buy a new one...it irks the living hell out of me, especially when its someone who sells a lot in this community, and even when you point it out...they dont bother to lower their price even a penny...instead they make fun of you in their WTS thread
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I put some videos up explaining the laws of supply and demand. you might find the info informative
Vaping is interesting in that it truly is operating in the free market system. There are no government controls
Outside of people prepping for the fda bill.
Quite frankly it sounds like you have gone into the threads, you're kinda saying you didn't and you did so I'm confused. if I were to sell something As a member; and, I was getting a person barging in my add to mock me over the price I would mock them back. It's there's to sell for the price they want. Not your place to tell them what to sell it for, that would be socialism.
It seems you do, though. Enough to start a thread here about it, and a WTB thread with a full explanation of the low prices you're willing to pay. Safe to say you'd list those same items at the prices you're willing to pay, no?
I've seen it time and again, when someone lists an item at what they believe to be a decent, to fair price, and someone else comes stomping in to tell them how over-priced they are, they take it as disrespect, so sure, they're gonna fire back. If you see something you like listed for the same price as new, go buy the new item. No harm, no foul. If their items don't sell, they end up reducing the price, making trade offers, or rescind altogether.
Apparently it bothers you enough that you feel the need to police the current market value for used kit to suit your own needs and opinions of value. So much so that you've created two threads for that sole purpose.
Do you walk into a store and haggle of the price of bottled water even though it's (in most cases) the same water you can get from you tap for a fraction of the price?
If the answer is no then you're adhering to free market consumerism.
If yes then you're a socialist fuck wit and any opinions you may have are moot since you can't grasp a simple concept that the majority of the world adheres to.
I'm not trying to be a dick or call you out.
I'm just trying to get you to see why others might not feel the same.
Cheers,
Do you walk into a store and haggle of the price of bottled water even though it's (in most cases) the same water you can get from you tap for a fraction of the price?
If the answer is no then you're adhering to free market consumerism.
If yes then you're a socialist fuck wit and any opinions you may have are moot since you can't grasp a simple concept that the majority of the world adheres to.
I'm not trying to be a dick or call you out.
I'm just trying to get you to see why others might not feel the same.
Cheers,
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i made this post to vent
i did a long time ago in 2 or possibly 3 occasions point out to someone they are trying to sell something used for the same as new- i dont remebe rif i did that in a pm or in the thread itself.
i stopped doing that cause noone cared and I dont care enough to check every single WTS thread. its not my job to protect the public from themselves.
hence part of my venting. why do people not do price research and overpay for used items? which then perpetuates the overpriced items for sale
the case i mentioned where I was made fun of..
i pointed it out in my WTB thread after said buyer jumped on my WTB thread. he then went into his own WTS thread and poked fun at me.
so its not a case where i went into someones WTS thread and messed with them.
i made this post to vent
i did a long time ago in 2 or possibly 3 occasions point out to someone they are trying to sell something used for the same as new- i dont remebe rif i did that in a pm or in the thread itself.
i stopped doing that cause noone cared and I dont care enough to check every single WTS thread. its not my job to protect the public from themselves.
hence part of my venting. why do people not do price research and overpay for used items? which then perpetuates the overpriced items for sale
the case i mentioned where I was made fun of..
i pointed it out in my WTB thread after said buyer jumped on my WTB thread. he then went into his own WTS thread and poked fun at me.
so its not a case where i went into someones WTS thread and messed with them.
stop being as ass and saying your not
i get free market just fine
and just because someone does not grasp the concept of free market does not automatically make them a socialist. I swear its ok for some people to bitch, but not others in this forum.
Normally im a fun helpful person on this board. but lately its going to shit because of some of the people and how they treat each other. I think Ill just go back t lurking and posting on contest threads since some people have nothing to better to do, then defend one person's opinion that they claim we are all entitled to have while attacking anothers opinion
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Wouldn't the same be true of social network fuckwits such as yourself who
somehow always feel compelled to make a big show of 'liking' every post puked out by a "mod"
and jumping up into every one's business who disagrees with a mod?
I notice you're always a 'follower' (read: obsequious little bitch) and rarely engage in the dangers of public thought.
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This "forum" has lost so much value since management declared rules only apply to those
outside their circle of friends. VU is no longer a forum.
VU is ECF 2 and we can only hope it changes back after the sick, dishonest,
and abusive new policies like putting filth on a ribbon under a member's name have failed.
Even ECF moderators never went to that extreme.
And you shouldn't have to, just because one member doesn't like what you post, I get that alot, but it doesn't stop me from doing my thing here on VU, because that is what VU is all about, Vape on my friend and see you round the forum
Dude,I really don't care what your opinion of me is. The bottom line is that you're disruptive to the point that the staff made a special badge just for you and you just provided yet another example of why.
That's on your shoulders.
Its been there for a minute.
If you actually look at his recent posts then you'll see that he earned it.
It's a privilege to be on these forums,not a right and I think the owners and staff have shown great restraint in not showing him the door permanently.
Like I said,there's a reason that it's there...
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That's not the half of it... @TygerTyger has also banned me from all the main forum areas.
I am only permitted to see and participate in the Mud Pit.
She fully admits that I broke no rule! This is her version of bullying I guess.
seriously
ok i get this is THEIR forum. its their rules fine and dandy. but giving you that badge and restricting from even viewing other threads except the mudpit is silly. i dont agree with all of what you say or how you do shit. I do agree with you sometimes. But you are a major contributor here. you have helped plenty of people. helped the community in many good ways. improved the forum in many ways. And for them to treat you like this is just wrong imho. If you are so much of a trouble maker and deserve your little badge....then ban you period. dont treat someone who had contributed to the improvement of the forum (granted hes also caused trouble) in such a senseless way
You're right,he's free to voice his opinions just like the rest of us but when it becomes problematic and disrupts the forums then actions are taken. How one deals with these actions is completely up to them but again,go back through his posts,look at how HE dealt (and continues to deal)with it.
He gratiously accepts any and every opportunity to point out how unfairly he's been treated by staff.
Again,everyone is responsible for their own actions and words yet he's still the "victim" even after numerous warnings and even a short vacation. This isn't his first run in with the staff...
Humility is a virtue.
i dont follow anyone.
i have seen lots of his posts, and most were deleted in the last debacle.
the MAJORITY of what I see him post is positive to the forum. helping ,asking questions, offering advice. hell he had a huge MTL thread that tons of people were involved in and was a MAJOR RESOURCE on the forum.
i see very little of his problematic posts...maybe he posts them in threads i dont read.
because what I have seen is certain mods and members treating him differently...and i feel others are getting that same treatment...while others are given free passes. his comment about ECF2 rings true in certain ways from what I have observed. Maybe I dont see the whole picture. I can only comment on what I have read... and does shark deserve some of the shit he gets YES....but not all of it...and nothing have I seen demands he be treated like this. if he is so much of a problem and so disruptive to the community...then a ban is in order. apparently that is not the case and they are trying to give him a public spanking which I feel is not something I would have considered the owners of this forum and the mods they have chosen to help them be a part of. They took the high road with vape.tv or what ever. but choose to publicly humiliate a member who may cause trouble sometimes but who has also been a positive and major member of this community and has helped further vaping for many.
i have seen lots of his posts, and most were deleted in the last debacle.
the MAJORITY of what I see him post is positive to the forum. helping ,asking questions, offering advice. hell he had a huge MTL thread that tons of people were involved in and was a MAJOR RESOURCE on the forum.
i see very little of his problematic posts...maybe he posts them in threads i dont read.
because what I have seen is certain mods and members treating him differently...and i feel others are getting that same treatment...while others are given free passes. his comment about ECF2 rings true in certain ways from what I have observed. Maybe I dont see the whole picture. I can only comment on what I have read... and does shark deserve some of the shit he gets YES....but not all of it...and nothing have I seen demands he be treated like this. if he is so much of a problem and so disruptive to the community...then a ban is in order. apparently that is not the case and they are trying to give him a public spanking which I feel is not something I would have considered the owners of this forum and the mods they have chosen to help them be a part of. They took the high road with vape.tv or what ever. but choose to publicly humiliate a member who may cause trouble sometimes but who has also been a positive and major member of this community and has helped further vaping for many.
I agree that he's been helpful and I also enjoyed many of his posts but before his good standing,he was having it out with whiskey and huck over trivial nonsense.
He shaped up and came back with a fresh outlook but then more nonsense caught him a ban. Again,they allowed him to come back and the way I see it is that the badge was a probationary tool.
I also don't agree with the badge or limiting privileges but it isn't my forum or my place to say otherwise.
Like I said,he earned that badge through his actions and words so neither of us really have a horse in the race.
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You took a shot at me but I honestly have no Ill feelings towards you man.
I often enjoy your posts but enough is enough.
Weather you feel they were warranted or not just take your lumps and carry on.
He shaped up and came back with a fresh outlook but then more nonsense caught him a ban. Again,they allowed him to come back and the way I see it is that the badge was a probationary tool.
I also don't agree with the badge or limiting privileges but it isn't my forum or my place to say otherwise.
Like I said,he earned that badge through his actions and words so neither of us really have a horse in the race.
@Shark Vape
You took a shot at me but I honestly have no Ill feelings towards you man.
I often enjoy your posts but enough is enough.
Weather you feel they were warranted or not just take your lumps and carry on.
No one is getting "ripped off" if they are paying the asking price for an item they want. If the item they receive is broken or was misrepresented, that would qualify as being a "rip off".
you and i may not own the forum, but i was always under the impression the owners cared about the input of the users, cuz lets face it..w/o users there is no forum and the financial income it brings. so if the owners want people to keep coming here and making them money...then i think we have some horse in the race...and we are entitled to our opinions and can post them
actually i disagree
if i KNOW something is selling new for $45 and i sell someone a used one that has no warranty is scratched up etc for $45 I am ripping them off
Agreed but we have no say in how they choose to deal with any situations that pop up.
If you look back though,I'm sure you'll find that theve been hard pressed to ban people wich shows a LOT of restraint on public forums.
agreed
but why the need to publicly humiliate him. i think he has shown great restraint in not publicly blasting them for their behavior
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@Shark Vape , cut the crap already and get over it. Seriously. You know *exactly* why you're here.
Broke no rule? Indeed! I know of no one that posts a sign on their front door saying "come on in but don't take a steaming dump in the middle of the living room"..... that's because it's common sense. I've seen you be a model citizen, so I know you can, but lately, all you do is shit on the carpet around here. Members were tired of it, staff was beyond tired of it, and I finally got tired of it too. That's why you're in the MudPit..... and that's not bullying.... that's just cleaning the place up a little.
And to those who disagree with the badge and restriction, thanks for your input. You're entitled to have your opinion. If he hates the restriction and badge, he has the option to stop logging in.
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Your so RIGHT, Ha Ha we like to have fun!
Go back and look at his posts before you come to that conclusion...
Personal opinions aside,that's free market trade by definition.
No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and saying "buy it or I'll pull the trigger".
Also,not everything is black and white. There may be some gray areas that you're unaware of.
For an example,I'd be willing to pay a few dollars more for the used $45 mod from you through paypal rather than submit my credit card info to an online retailer.
If you have positive feedback and the mod is in good condition then I'd rather take the chance on a $45 private transaction over the chance of my CC info being circulated resulting in ID theft.
It's not that I don't understand your concerns but if your convictions are that strong then why aren't you venting about retailers?
A 200% markup at a brick and mortar is clearly price gouging even after overhead is calculated.
@TygerTyger the restrictions and badge for lack of a better word is imho childish on your part and i thought better of you and the entire forum staff
for what its worth you all give shark shit for not letting it go and being paranoid and what not publicly. yet i have never once notice you give whiskey hank or the others who insult him and intentionally bait him any shit for doing that, but when he responds to being baited he is wrong. the door swings both ways. EVERYONE should drop it.
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@SMOKIE i know you dont see it, but some do...there is THE APPEARANCE of favoritism just like what was being done over at ECF happening HERE.
I do not believe its intentional by the staff or owners, but the appearance is there at times. Ive mentioned it to mods on a couple things privately and was told I was wrong, shark just does it publicly and not always in the best way.
but you ask 20 people who never been on here to read through some of the exchanges in question about shark i would bet 10 would agree he is a PITA and deserves what he gets and 10 would say he may be a shit but that dont make him wrong.
the problem is very very few people actually read EVERY DAMN POST of his. I tried scrolling through the 200 or so he has now since the acct deletion . and i could see both his side and tygers.
so whatever the truth is doesnt always matter. its the appearance that can make a major difference
i dont want to see anything negative happen to this forum, but I do fear something bad may come
for what its worth you all give shark shit for not letting it go and being paranoid and what not publicly. yet i have never once notice you give whiskey hank or the others who insult him and intentionally bait him any shit for doing that, but when he responds to being baited he is wrong. the door swings both ways. EVERYONE should drop it.
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@SMOKIE i know you dont see it, but some do...there is THE APPEARANCE of favoritism just like what was being done over at ECF happening HERE.
I do not believe its intentional by the staff or owners, but the appearance is there at times. Ive mentioned it to mods on a couple things privately and was told I was wrong, shark just does it publicly and not always in the best way.
but you ask 20 people who never been on here to read through some of the exchanges in question about shark i would bet 10 would agree he is a PITA and deserves what he gets and 10 would say he may be a shit but that dont make him wrong.
the problem is very very few people actually read EVERY DAMN POST of his. I tried scrolling through the 200 or so he has now since the acct deletion . and i could see both his side and tygers.
so whatever the truth is doesnt always matter. its the appearance that can make a major difference
i dont want to see anything negative happen to this forum, but I do fear something bad may come
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Thank you for noticing that.
But this is Tyger's house. She has the power to treat any one here, any way she likes.
As a member, my only choice is to take it or leave it.
The truth is (like I told Tyger) I did not believe she would throw the very premise this place was built on
out the window. I had her pictured as a devoted fan of right over wrong.
In her own words....
Hence the shark vape rule was invented... Now the "line" is move-able! Yay!
Mods are now permitted to attack and provoke, but no defense will be tolerated...
...or you get a dirty abusive name pasted under your forum ID by the owner.
Now we're all safe from those whose opinion doesn't conform but haven't broken any rule.
Problem solved...
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of i agree the B and M markup at some places is in insane
i wish everyone would stop throwing around free market as if it gives people a pass.
Both the buyer and sellers on here piss me off for not doing price research and over paying for things
because stupity, greed, evilness,goodness,kindness etc are all part of the free market as well
there are other ways to publicly blast them
and you know you have a point about security of a transaction. BUt there are plenty of options, such as prepaid cards to get around that security risk with an online retailer
so i concede i may not know the whole reasoning behind a purchase
but i still think it is morally wrong and these are based on my own morals regardless of free market or not, to try and sell a used item for the same price I know a new one is selling for. and since i consider warranty and other things as part of buying new, to sell for close to the price of a new one is wrong as well
how do i define close in that statement would depend on many factors so i can not say a precise amount
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Finally, an honest answer from a staffer. The goal is to humiliate. Good luck with that sir.
ok seriously
you read that totally wrong
see smokie meant that unlike ecf mods vu users and mods like having fun and not being assholes
you take his comment as an attack on you.
its not
you are probably the only person who took smokie's comment as being about you
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First let me say I have been a member of ECF for many years, and still to this day because I know what the rules are. Here at the VU all of you have a lot more freedom, but some just abuse it. For earning that badge is fuckin hilarious not childish. And sorry you fear that something bad may come out of this, lol Don't worry we can handle anything that is thrown our way. Has it reached Reddit yet! Anyway have a sense of humor, enjoy the forum, and vape on.
Or live and let die and go back to being a part of the community instead of drawing lines in the sand.
Thank you for noticing that.
But this is Tyger's house. She has the power to treat any one here, any way she likes.
As a member, my only choice is to take it or leave it.
The truth is (like I told Tyger) I did not believe she would throw the very premise this place was built on
out the window. I had her pictured as a devoted fan of right over wrong.
In her own words....
Hence the shark vape rule was invented... Now the "line" is move-able! Yay!
Mods are now permitted to attack and provoke, but no defense will be tolerated...
...or you get a dirty abusive name pasted under your forum ID by the owner.
Now we're all safe from those whose opinion doesn't conform but haven't broken any rule.
Problem solved...
I don't post much but I DO read quite a bit of what goes on here and in Tyger's defense,she only gets involved when the mods have had enough.
What happens when you poke a pit bull with a stick?
Look man,I've had words with a couple mods from some of my posts but it takes some pretty large cajones to even make the shit public let alone go after them every chance you get.
How did this jack get brought up in this thread to begin with? Because it's one of the few you can see and others are paying attention to it? Your mess has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand but yet here you are...
Goodness and kindness also factor into those gray areas I mentioned.
Say that $45 mod that you're trying to sell is your only means of couping funds for something new. Personally I'd be more than happy to oblige.
Hopefully you don't take my posts as an argument. I'm only trying to offer another perspective.
I hardly ever buy used outright because i tend to agree that some simply ask too much but I have absolutely no problem with "fair".
To me,if I feel a price is south of fair then I simply keep going.
No point in making a stink if the rest of the room is fine with the smell...
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Sick of the petty shit @SMOKIE. You guys have me locked out of all vape related forums for a spectacle.
The old 'Lock em in the mudpit & attack' strategy. Then label THEM the mudslinger if they fight back... a classic.
I always liked you. First time you've ever spoken to me I think.
I'm sick of the attacks... having to fight back.
There's a little too much going on in the background here now.
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i normally dont make a stink about people's WTS threads, but the other day I had had enough and vented here. I thought thats what this area of the forum is for
yes i made my WTB thread
and i was sincere and serious
people took some of what i said the wrong way imo..oh well
yes i made my WTB thread
and i was sincere and serious
people took some of what i said the wrong way imo..oh well
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You can call me anything you like, including childish..... don't worry, I can take it....... but I will say only this..... you are *woefully* ignorant of the facts that led to this, and of the fact that I protected @Shark Vape to lengths that were far beyond warranted. The fact that it came to this is evidence of his determination to make it so, not staff's, admin's or personally my efforts to humiliate him.
I'm sorry you disagree with the action that was inevitably taken. Hope you're able to find a way past it. Feel free to vent here as you see fit, but know that staff and admin are finished with allowing it to poison the forum at large.
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Now we're all safe from those whose opinion doesn't conform but haven't broken any rule.
Problem solved...
Save your keystrokes..... like I said before, we never imagined that we had any need to spell out a rule that said don't take a steaming dump in the middle of the foyer.... yet you did...... time and time and time again. You're lying the bed you made. End of story.
Most of us know shark can be a total ass. but as to it poisoning the forum -
Well first off hes not alone in it...others are baiting him CONSTANTLY - yet he is the one publicly admonished - who know you may be telling the others privately to stop baiting him - but I have not seen it done publicly. Which leads to the APPEARANCE and im not saying this is true - only it APPEARS that the staff and their friends are ganging up on him. - which if I am correct is something people complained about ECF for doing
you or someone said he played with a kite or whatever in an lightning storm or a similar analogy was used in terms of him posting in a spam thread which got his acct deleted. I agree with that analogy. I agree with him FIX THE SOFTWARE. I agree DONT POST IN THE DAMN SPAM THREADS! YOU KNOW THERE IS A RISK CUZ THE SOFTWARE IS STUPID. But I would like to point out that the same analogy of the kite and lightning storm applies to all those who antagonize and bait SV. We all know how easy it is to get him started. Whiskey can make one post and start all kinds of shit with him. And if you really dont think anyone is antagonizing and baiting him you should look again. Because that is happening by members and mods alike. hell someone was saying shit about him just a bit ago IN A THREAD HE CANT EVEN SEE. so i wish everyone would stop putting all the blame on him. he deserves alot of the blame but not all of it and it seems noone else is getting the short end of the stick for their actions in the mess that has led to this decision
secondly. i took the time to try and figure out WHY this happened. and cant find it period. 215 posts since the deletion of his acct. at least 150 of those posts are normal non poisonous posts. SO the majority of his posts are fine. And those are usually not in the mudpit area. Most of his nasty posts are in the mudpit.so you relegate him to the area of the forum where he says his nastiest stuff, and prevent him from actually posting where he normally is a valued member of the community
I have see you post multiple times of how you have defended him which makes me wonder why you would chose to do this. it seems extremely odd to me. I just plain old dont get it. people are just out right rude and disrespectful to each other constantly on this forum and noone rarely says shit about it. But for some reason SV gets punished from all i can gather basically the same thing.
ANd tyger i never called you childish i said your actions for lack of a better word were childish. we are all big girls and boys here and can take it. If I didnt think you could take it I wouldnt post it. I have a lot of respect for many people here. especially joe. I DO NOT agree with everything joe says or does, but damn to create such a lucrative marketing system takes work, thought and alot of luck. I think he did real good. I have respect for the staff and mods, their jobs are volunteer and not easy. people are just sometimes down right a PITA to deal with.
But i respectfully disagree with the treatment SV has received and wish I could do something to help end this stupid shit and just get things back to normal
You missed a LOT!
He continually pressed buttons until it landed him a short vacation. He came back with a bottle of piss and vinegar,a grudge and his own shovel.
If you don't mind me asking,why are you all up on his nuts when you obviously have no clue about what he's said to the admins and staff?
This time,offense intended...
You aren't going to change anything so I ask you again,why stink up the place when it already smells fine?
I hate to see him go but he was given plenty of opportunities to let it slide and he continued to carry on.
why?
simple i like the guy
and he may keep pushing buttons and hes paranoid and blows shit out of proportion
and EVERYONE KNOWS IT. yet they push his buttons and wind him up like a little toy and then blame him for doing what he does best
i have seen him dive off the deep end and be totally wrong...and then realize it and sincerely apologize for his behavior
to me hes annoying as fuck at times but so are alot of people. we all have our own brand of crazy. but in the long run he adds more value to the community then he takes away from it. And we need people like that especially in the days to come with the uncertainty of the vape industry with the FDA regs. Ill take 1 SV over 100 fanboys of whatever product. hes intelligent and actually cares about the community. He adds valuable insight and content to many discussions.
It seems to me many people are focusing in on the negatives and ignoring all the positive stuff he has done. Like i said go through his 215 posts he has way more positive or at least non poisonous posts than bad posts.
Honestly i think of all the people here, tyger gets that, otherwise she would have banned him. does something need done about all the bullshit involving SV...maybe...i just disagree with her approach on this and find the punishment seems 1 sided and all the ones poking the bear constantly get off scot free at least publicly. like i said for all i know she admonished them privately.
so getting back to normal for me includes the shit storm with SV goes away and he can be allowed to contribute to this forum in a positive manner. Which i feel he does way more of that then the BS
simple i like the guy
and he may keep pushing buttons and hes paranoid and blows shit out of proportion
and EVERYONE KNOWS IT. yet they push his buttons and wind him up like a little toy and then blame him for doing what he does best
i have seen him dive off the deep end and be totally wrong...and then realize it and sincerely apologize for his behavior
to me hes annoying as fuck at times but so are alot of people. we all have our own brand of crazy. but in the long run he adds more value to the community then he takes away from it. And we need people like that especially in the days to come with the uncertainty of the vape industry with the FDA regs. Ill take 1 SV over 100 fanboys of whatever product. hes intelligent and actually cares about the community. He adds valuable insight and content to many discussions.
It seems to me many people are focusing in on the negatives and ignoring all the positive stuff he has done. Like i said go through his 215 posts he has way more positive or at least non poisonous posts than bad posts.
Honestly i think of all the people here, tyger gets that, otherwise she would have banned him. does something need done about all the bullshit involving SV...maybe...i just disagree with her approach on this and find the punishment seems 1 sided and all the ones poking the bear constantly get off scot free at least publicly. like i said for all i know she admonished them privately.
so getting back to normal for me includes the shit storm with SV goes away and he can be allowed to contribute to this forum in a positive manner. Which i feel he does way more of that then the BS
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He could have easily let it go, he didn't. He made his fucking bed. I honestly don't think you could cry, whine, or bitch enough to change that. But you sure are gonna try tho, ain't ya?
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@TygerTyger, SHOW US the post where I launched an unprovoked attack.
I have respectfully sat here for 2 years watching you mislead this forum re meself.
I have shown you nothing but respect and deference for all that time... until now.
Stop spouting lies and prove it. I defy you to tell the truth by quoting my "ban-worthy" post in 'Jai Haze'.
Stop the lies and quote me Tyger. Show us your "justification" to ban and lead the lynch mob.
The truth is, you can't. Because there was none. You made it up.
The real truth is yer mad because I called out your scummiest lying vendors.
You don't give a flying fleek about truth. You only care about the $250/month those VU banner ads bring in.
Yes, I did expose Mama Js lies... after your mod Whiskey attacked me.
Yes, I did expose the Juicy 'Baby Raper' Vapor puke that your mod, Manimal was spouting.
Yes, I did expose Venerable Vapes ripping off VU members... in spite of threats by Country Pami.
All true.
You should be deeply deeply ashamed that you sold out your members for that "official forum vendor" money.
That put a cloud of suspicion over all your vendors, even the good ones.
Imagine how your good vendors must feel being lumped in with these lying, criminal dirtbags who are
"friends" of your little clique. You owe this entire forum an apology for endorsing these few shit vendors.
You chose that $250/month ad income over truth. And every person here knows it.
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Hank... the lynchmob failed, go back to the cunt-corner where you belong.
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@Mattp169, I am grateful to you for taking the time to read my post history and posting the truth.
Sadly, we are in a culture where if admin repeats a lie a few times, people think it's true.
Also, thanks for telling me about the SV attack thread that I can not see. Sleazy thing, a rigged deck.
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One more time... One honest answer... Show us Tyger.
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Right away, oh-master-o-the mud pit!
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Right away, oh-master-o-the mud pit!
Bwahahhaa
I'm gonna hold a mangina wet t-shirt contest