tried 24 after a while of nichrome, still tasted like a bag of smashed assholes to me
touche good sir....toucheNot sure I want to know how you know what a smashed asshole tastes like, but I guess to each their own
Bag of smashed assholes. That is funny. I ordered my first batch of nichrome. Some 22,30, and 34 guAge. Gonna try some more complex build. The 22 is to see the flavor difference with kanthal 22tried 24 after a while of nichrome, still tasted like a bag of smashed assholes to me
Bag of smashed assholes. That is funny. I ordered my first batch of nichrome. Some 22,30, and 34 guAge. Gonna try some more complex build. The 22 is to see the flavor difference with kanthal 22
Explain pleaseActually if you were looking to do a flavor comparison, you should have got 26 nichrome. 22ga nichrome wire is about the equivalent in resistance of 17-18ga kanthal
Explain please
tried 24 after a while of nichrome, still tasted like a bag of smashed assholes to me
LMFAOLet's leave my ex girlfriends outta this, OK?
Sorry to hear that man :/Recently I got a free sample of Nichrome 80 24awg at a local vape shop. Guy just gave me some to try out. He told me to just add a couple wraps to how I would normally build and I should taste a difference.
So I did just that, although I use the Steam web app to approximate my builds beforehand, and an ohm meter to verify my builds, (as should you). I like to vape between .2 & .3 ohms.
I had heard that Nichrome leaves a funny taste and was apprehensive, but after the first build I couldn't discern any "funny taste", just more flavor than the equivalent build in kanthal.
So I've been building all my attys with Nichrome and enjoying the added flavor that comes with the extra surface area. Until today.
Decided I would rebuild my Veritas with some 26awg kanthal.... Bad idea. I can't even taste my juice. I'm ruint I tell ya, ruint.
Really sucks too because I am lazy and my fingers were not made for building attys.
Dammit Jim.
I'd have to agree, very very rarely will I use kantal unless I'm doing a coilporn shot then maybe, as far as use is concerned I do not enjoy kanthal at allCome on men, I suggest you guys research on something before trying, after months of research I finally ditch all my kanthals and I'm 100% Nichrome from 28g down to 22g, I'm waiting for sigelei to build a super sub ohm box... Until then 22g nichrome80 is my thickest...
Kanthal is just nasty!! And that's the same reason I haven't bought any of the sub ohm tanks, I do have the sub tank but I'm using the RBA...
BIGBOYVAPER
I'm wondering if the perceived improvement in flavor when using nichrome has anything to do with the increased surface area of a nichrome coil vs a kanthal one of the same resistance? Is that what's going on here, or am I way off?
From steam engine:
Kanthal a1, .20 ohm, 22ga, 2.5 mandrel, 80.77mm2 coil surface area
Nichrome80, .20ohm, 22ga, 2.5 mandrel, 110.7mm2 coil surface area
What am I missing?
love it, love it, got my question answered before I had to ask it... just working my first nichrome builds (24ga dual 6 wraps 2.4mm) on my swirlfish and had the coil collapse while dry firing.... won't make that mistake again, and I'm definitely not going back to kanthal
Please explain exactly how nickel oxide is formed during the use of nichrome wire...Not a fan of nickel oxide. Doesn't have the same properties. Kanthal's neutral to taste once properly oxidized which is what tension winding accomplishes.
Good luck.
Edit- Reason I ask is that it was my understanding that nichrome when heated forms chromium oxide. Although, the circumstances in which this is true, I don't believe to be relative to vaping. Unless maybe your pumping straight O2 onto the coil while heating it with an oxyacetylene torch. But what do I know?Please explain exactly how nickel oxide is formed during the use of nichrome wire...
Edit- Reason I ask is that it was my understanding that nichrome when heated forms chromium oxide. Although, the circumstances in which this is true, I don't believe to be relative to vaping. Unless maybe your pumping straight O2 onto the coil while heating it with an oxyacetylene torch. But what do I know?
You know its funny, I see people say they "taste" the wire regarding nichrome. I don't get that. I wonder how much variance in quality there is amongst the nichrome coming from different vendors. I would suggest finding a better source if the wire you are using is imparting a substantial taste.You're correct. Sorry. That's what I meant. Had nickel on my mind as I detect the taste of it.
Thx and good luck.
Ya, I've known about nichrome for quite a while now and have been terribly interested in trying it out, but the one thing stopping me from doing so is the fact that like no one carries it, smhyou really liked it that much, @jamieg71
will have to try it out soon too.. thanks!
...On a side not, it's incredibly irritating how common it is for LA Vape shops to be owned and operated by people who just seem to be trying to cash in on the trendiness of vaping and are not truly passionate and as a result not properly informed on everything from products on the market to even how to safely build rba's. The only factor that gives me comfort is the fact that these ignoble and unrepeatable businesses often don't do as well as those that are actually in it for the love of vaping (i.e. they're actually real vapers that are passionate about it) and as a result are forced to close their doors before the first year in business has come around.
Grab a small spool of whatever you want to try out from lightning vape
Using http://www.steam-engine.org, I worked it out to 27g. Comes up .04 under when I try to calculate a .6 around a 2mm driver, whereas 6 wraps of 26g around a 2mm driver comes up to .6 on the nose. With 28g nichrome, you'd have to take a wrap out to hit .57. No matter how you shake it, you are adding a good bit of heat and losing a good chunk of surface area. It's peak temp is gonna be about 33% hotter and it will heat up almost twice as quickly.I am using single coils at about .5- .6 ohms made from kanthal 26g. What Gauge of NiC80 would I be wanting to get, from those in the know, to approximate the same number of wraps as Kanthal?
Using http://www.steam-engine.org, I worked it out to 27g. Comes up .04 under when I try to calculate a .6 around a 2mm driver, whereas 6 wraps of 26g around a 2mm driver comes up to .6 on the nose. With 28g nichrome, you'd have to take a wrap out to hit .57. No matter how you shake it, you are adding a good bit of heat and losing a good chunk of surface area. It's peak temp is gonna be about 33% hotter and it will heat up almost twice as quickly.
You can probably find 27 gauge out there, though one less wrap of 28g will give you similar resistance. You'd be losing surface area coming down from the single 26g kanthal. It might be too hot, the flavor/vapor will not be as good. A 26g single is already pretty snappy and warm. The heat and speed boost you'd see from dropping down to a thinner gauge of nichrome isn't worth the compromise.
I think you'll get better performance using 26g nichrome and just adding a wrap or two to balance out the resistance. Nichrome heats up much faster than kanthal does, so nothing is lost by adding a wrap or two over what you'd do with kanthal. It'll just give you a nice flavor and vapor boost. An 8-wrap .6 26g nichrome will heat up similarly to a 6-wrap 26g kanthal.
Using http://www.steam-engine.org, I worked it out to 27g. Comes up .04 under when I try to calculate a .6 around a 2mm driver, whereas 6 wraps of 26g around a 2mm driver comes up to .6 on the nose. With 28g nichrome, you'd have to take a wrap out to hit .57. No matter how you shake it, you are adding a good bit of heat and losing a good chunk of surface area. It's peak temp is gonna be about 33% hotter and it will heat up almost twice as quickly.
You can probably find 27 gauge out there, though one less wrap of 28g will give you similar resistance. You'd be losing surface area coming down from the single 26g kanthal. It might be too hot, the flavor/vapor will not be as good. A 26g single is already pretty snappy and warm. The heat and speed boost you'd see from dropping down to a thinner gauge of nichrome isn't worth the compromise.
I think you'll get better performance using 26g nichrome and just adding a wrap or two to balance out the resistance. Nichrome heats up much faster than kanthal does, so nothing is lost by adding a wrap or two over what you'd do with kanthal. It'll just give you a nice flavor and vapor boost. An 8-wrap .6 26g nichrome will heat up similarly to a 6-wrap 26g kanthal.
[/QUOTE]You're a good writer rz. Put the build details out there and that's a good thing. I disagree on Kanthal ramp up being so definitive. There just isn't that much of a res diff. What many (not saying you) are seeing is the effect of incomplete circuits in bare wire or touching (contact) surfaces which are shorts. It's anomalous behavior or the very nature of a standard wind (concentration at center). Kanthal is made to be oxidized. Why I researched wire stress relationships to thermal output, the potential of strain to stabilize symmetry and developed the tension microcoil. If you've never built one or read up on approaches to electrical oxidation with one…you'd be likin' your K much more!
A tensioned m.c. twisted-lead dual parallel is one of the fastest firing coil designs I've put out there. The bright harshness in the high output of the contact density (less wire height mass relative to contact surface) is muted by the optimized electron flow. The twisted leads stabilize internal strain and the wires initial contact symmetry. Less possibility of gaps and shorting from heat expansion deformation. Heat to wick is where it's at and proof's in the pic. Stable temp distribution.
Holler back if ya want.
Haha, I'm flattered. I simply enjoy writing. As with all things I enjoy doing, I do it a lot, which I tend to hope shows in the quality of my efforts. The quality of my information, however, is not always up to snuff. I accept this about myself. I like being proven wrong because it presents a possible learning opportunity.You're a good writer rz. Put the build details out there and that's a good thing. I disagree on Kanthal ramp up being so definitive. There just isn't that much of a res diff. What many (not saying you) are seeing is the effect of incomplete circuits in bare wire or touching (contact) surfaces which are shorts. It's anomalous behavior or the very nature of a standard wind (concentration at center). Kanthal is made to be oxidized. Why I researched wire stress relationships to thermal output, the potential of strain to stabilize symmetry and developed the tension microcoil. If you've never built one or read up on approaches to electrical oxidation with one…you'd be likin' your K much more!
A tensioned m.c. twisted-lead dual parallel is one of the fastest firing coil designs I've put out there. The bright harshness in the high output of the contact density (less wire height mass relative to contact surface) is muted by the optimized electron flow. The twisted leads stabilize internal strain and the wires initial contact symmetry. Less possibility of gaps and shorting from heat expansion deformation. Heat to wick is where it's at and proof's in the pic. Stable temp distribution.
Holler back if ya want.
Ya, but do you have nichrome though??Grab a small spool of whatever you want to try out from lightning vape, free shipping.
I'm in West LA and yeah, most of the stores around here have just the basics for rba supplies and mostly non rebuildable stuff... at exorbitant prices but real estate around here isn't cheap so understandable I guess.
Or if your close to W. LA, hit me up, I have a ton of different wire types and sizes.
Wait, are you trying to say that nichrome doesn't ramp up faster than kanthal? Because if that's the case I'm going to have to definitely disagree with you...although you could be saying something completely different and I just misunderstood, in which case: my mistakeYou're a good writer rz. Put the build details out there and that's a good thing. I disagree on Kanthal ramp up being so definitive. There just isn't that much of a res diff. What many (not saying you) are seeing is the effect of incomplete circuits in bare wire or touching (contact) surfaces which are shorts. It's anomalous behavior. Kanthal is made to be oxidized. Why I researched wire stress relationships to thermal output, the potential of strain to stabilize symmetry and developed the tension microcoil. If you've never built one or read up on approaches to electrical oxidation with one…you'd be likin' your K much more!
A tensioned m.c. twisted-lead dual parallel is one of the fastest firing coil designs I've put out there. The bright harshness of the high output of the contact density (less wire height mass relative to contact surface) is muted by the optimized electron flow. The twisted leads stabilize internal strain and the wires initial contact symmetry. Less possibility of gaps and shorting from heat expansion deformation.
Holler back if ya want. Good luck!
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Wait, are you trying to say that nichrome doesn't ramp up faster than kanthal? Because if that's the case I'm going to have to definitely disagree with you...although you could be saying something completely different and I just misunderstood, in which case: my mistake
Hey Mac I saw super X posting some photos of twisted wire TMC...does this work or does the twisted wire keep the coil from having full contact, and creating that AO coating you were talking about.Hey Sahs…not exactly, but that a properly oxidized t.m.c. behaves much like a wire of lower resistance. A contact coil with gaps in oxidation or imperfect, inconsistent oxidation or outright gaps as many made by coilers do will go hot…and very quickly. It's the appearance of performance however. Using strain to optimize contact you achieve the same effect with far less thermal loss to air. And that includes ramp up time from my observations. You see, the discussion is really about how hot we can get a coil to deliver that heat to what's being wicked. Heat air and you're way past vaporizing anything with that energy. More watts than flow and its a waste. Nice effect tho.
Yep low res will give you the heat capacity to throw some watts with your build; but It's uniformity of heat delivery that gives us vapor density. We can always diffuse by a variety of means with choice of device, air flow, drip tip porting if needed or even draw style. But you gotta have vaporization. High power is not the only way. But here, show ya what the above build I spec'd for the Subtank does at 8 secs…
Six secs will getcha the output I posted elsewhere. And it's all about getting the power on the wick…surface contact area (ratio to power). More than enough at redic low power (well, for most of us LOL).
In other words, to come full circle, ramp up time for a properly oxidized and complete circuit with Kanthal is not an issue. Quick ramp up time for hotter low res builds that overpower don't necessarily get us the vape.
Good luck.
Would it be crazy for me to buy some 22 gauge nichrome? I love building at about .2 with dual 22 kanthal. I figure 7 wraps of 22 nichrome would give me about the same resistance and more surface area for flavor and bigger clouds.
I am enticed by all of this. I need advice. I want to try out this nichrome 80. I normally build with 26 gauge Kanthal, dual coil, 5 turns, which specs out between .32 and .35, every time. What gauge of nichrome 80 would you suggest to achieve the same results? {perhaps with more turns}
I have no problem with ramp up time, but if it ramped up quicker, that would be even better. Thanks in advance.
-I guess I need to be educated. What is an alumina layer and what does this have to do with vaping/taste/vapor density?