low builds

[SirRichardRear]

Yeah I get it but I personally don't like when people's answer to a question is that's too low you shouldn't do it. Or you are stupid for asking Yada Yada. People can't learn that way then they end up trying anyways because they want to with out any info on how to relatively safe.

Let's bring raymo2u into this yall say he is experienced. Let's rewind to when he wasn't. He had to learn somehow. Hopefully someone stood up and pointed him in the right direction instead of saying hey don't go that low there is no need. Keep it above 1 ohm.

Though I would like to see some of his intricate builds built to be above 1ohm that would actually be cool lol

he kinda does it for a living or at least on the side to supplement his income. Take electricians for example. they start as apprentices have to train on the job only working with a journeymen electrician never by themselves and study for years. They don't wake up out of bed one day and come to a forum to learn how to be an electrician. People lack patience. they see something think it's cool and try to copy it and get hurt.

I once seen a journeymen electrician and really smart guy forget to check phase rotation and tie in power backwards causing a ton of damage.
Sadly there was a case last year where a utility worker died because an electrician tied in temporary power to a building but did it wrong and backfed the grid and he thought he was working on dead equipment since utility was shut off and he got electrocuted and died. There was 2 big issues here, 1st off the guy who tied it in incorrectly backfeeding the grid, 2nd the utility worker that didn't confirm everything was dead. 2 highly trained experienced professionals both made mistakes and someone died over it.

 

[Brad Mitchell]

BTW I'm vaping at .24 and loving the battery life compared to the .09 I had. Figured I'd just be open on what I currently vape at. People see coil porn and think they vape on those hell I did as well for a while. And some do but I think the majority only create the coils for pictures and vape something like a normal alien or fused clapton.

 

[Brad Mitchell]

he kinda does it for a living or at least on the side to supplement his income. Take electricians for example. they start as apprentices have to train on the job only working with a journeymen electrician never by themselves and study for years. They don't wake up out of bed one day and come to a forum to learn how to be an electrician. People lack patience. they see something think it's cool and try to copy it and get hurt.

I once seen a journeymen electrician and really smart guy forget to check phase rotation and tie in power backwards causing a ton of damage.
Sadly there was a case last year where a utility worker died because an electrician tied in temporary power to a building but did it wrong and backfed the grid and he thought he was working on dead equipment since utility was shut off and he got electrocuted and died. There was 2 big issues here, 1st off the guy who tied it in incorrectly backfeeding the grid, 2nd the utility worker that didn't confirm everything was dead. 2 highly trained experienced professionals both made mistakes and someone died over it.

Yeah but there isn't a coil apprentice position. I wish it would have fixed alot of frustration when I started. And don't get me wrong I understand there is risk not saying there isnt.

 

[AndiPants]

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[kbeam418]

Agreed... Depending on the regulated mod.
An okl board, for example would fry

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imo there's only two manufactures I trust; Evolv and Provape, for above cdr. I read somewhere that Joyetech limits their boards to 30 amps which imo is too high.

Commercial electrical work is where things get scary and that's what I'm applying to do lol.

 

[SirRichardRear]

Yeah but there isn't a coil apprentice position. I wish it would have fixed alot of frustration when I started. And don't get me wrong I understand there is risk not saying there isnt.

lol I'm sure some people do mentor. matter of fact I'm positive raymo is mentoring some coil builders currently.

 

[SirRichardRear]

imo there's only two manufactures I trust; Evolv and Provape, for above cdr. I read somewhere that Joyetech limits their boards to 30 amps which imo is too high.

Commercial electrical work is where things get scary and that's what I'm applying to do lol.

it is scary man. I've seen one too many injuries in my lifetime and i'm still pretty young

Also the amp limit the board puts out does not equal the amp draw from batteries in regulated devices.
For example with a .1 ohm coil at 150 watts with fully charged batteries in series (so 8.4 volts)
the amp draw form the batteries would be around 18 amps but the board itself would be putting out about 39 amps or in the case of a board limited to 30 it would put out 30 and you'd only be getting 90 watts from it not the 150 due to the amp limit.

 

[nightshard]

That's why the amp limit of the board is irrelevant.

People should not rely on regulated devices to protect them from passing the battery CDR.
Regulated mods do not protect or even have the ability to measure the battery CDR.

 

[raymo2u]

Ive been vaping for years and only in the past 1-1.5 years have started pushing the limits I do today. I did however research well into ohms law and battery safety well before I bought my first mech which was a 18360 LPG tube and a Hobo RDA....I was terrified of blowing my hand off with a .8 Ohm build back then and I rarely went that low...Ive been building since then and also reviewing and testing gear like mods/toppers and accessories like batteries. Ive only gained experience and learned a few things on the way and would never consider jumping to where Im at if your new to building or vaping in general...as said previously its a countdown and one day something will happen.
Im a jackass, dont follow in my footsteps, follow my advice.

Ive learned through research and personal experience where a battery starts to react to low resistances and start breaking down rapidly and know when Im going a bit too far and when to stop....If your batteries are warm t the touch your already pushing its limits and you should let it cool down for 10 minutes before doing anything else with it. Also its good to check over all your cells for any tears and/or marks on your battery wrap, if there is then replace the wrap on it, the outer case of a 18650 cell is a negative contact.

Mooch's battery testing has been a godsend for the community, most of everyone's hardwork is cut in half because of it...only need to read through and understand the graphs now to see how well a battery will react to a certain situation, this allows you to pick batteries to your specific style of vaping.

Dont ever use a cell thats older then 3 months to pulse builds or vape under .1 and if your going below .1 then use multiple cells to fire the device, I highly suggest getting a triple or quad parallel box, can be sourced on ebay (Darthvapor) and the price is well worth the safety and amperage headway if you plan on gong anywhere under ..1 ohms..

To conclude...
I dont vape most of the builds you see me post, they are just wire art and should always be considered that, using those types of coils to vape would be pointless. You could get the same results building at a higher resistance and saving your batteries, getting better run times and saving you and others around you. I pulse those coils with mods that hold 3-4 cells and I use HB4/HB6/VTC4 cells when doing so. I always go outside and have a ceramic bowl ready just in case anything happens.

 

[SirRichardRear]

That's why the amp limit of the board is irrelevant.

People should not rely on regulated devices to protect them from passing the battery CDR.
Regulated mods do not protect or even have the ability to measure the battery CDR.

exactly, thats why when i do my mod testing since I'm pushing the limits of the mods and batteries in a Controlled environment, i only use fully charged HB6 batteries.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

imo there's only two manufactures I trust; Evolv and Provape, for above cdr. I read somewhere that Joyetech limits their boards to 30 amps which imo is too high.

Commercial electrical work is where things get scary and that's what I'm applying to do lol.

Yihis top tier boards (sx350,450,550) would probably be OK.
Personally though, I never cross that threshold. I also never advise anyone to do so. I typically just stay mum, however, even the best boards have had failures. The real upside to the evolv boards are the onboard fuse. If something goes terribly wrong it just self destructs.
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[f1r3b1rd]

Ive been vaping for years and only in the past 1-1.5 years have started pushing the limits I do today. I did however research well into ohms law and battery safety well before I bought my first mech which was a 18360 LPG tube and a Hobo RDA....I was terrified of blowing my hand off with a .8 Ohm build back then and I rarely went that low...Ive been building since then and also reviewing and testing gear like mods/toppers and accessories like batteries. Ive only gained experience and learned a few things on the way and would never consider jumping to where Im at if your new to building or vaping in general...as said previously its a countdown and one day something will happen.
Im a jackass, dont follow in my footsteps, follow my advice.

Ive learned through research and personal experience where a battery starts to react to low resistances and start breaking down rapidly and know when Im going a bit too far and when to stop....If your batteries are warm t the touch your already pushing its limits and you should let it cool down for 10 minutes before doing anything else with it. Also its good to check over all your cells for any tears and/or marks on your battery wrap, if there is then replace the wrap on it, the outer case of a 18650 cell is a negative contact.

Mooch's battery testing has been a godsend for the community, most of everyone's hardwork is cut in half because of it...only need to read through and understand the graphs now to see how well a battery will react to a certain situation, this allows you to pick batteries to your specific style of vaping.

Dont ever use a cell thats older then 3 months to pulse builds or vape under .1 and if your going below .1 then use multiple cells to fire the device, I highly suggest getting a triple or quad parallel box, can be sourced on ebay (Darthvapor) and the price is well worth the safety and amperage headway if you plan on gong anywhere under ..1 ohms..

To conclude...
I dont vape most of the builds you see me post, they are just wire art and should always be considered that, using those types of coils to vape would be pointless. You could get the same results building at a higher resistance and saving your batteries, getting better run times and saving you and others around you. I pulse those coils with mods that hold 3-4 cells and I use HB4/HB6/VTC4 cells when doing so. I always go outside and have a ceramic bowl ready just in case anything happens.

Just out of curiosity; and, since you brought it up, has anything happened?

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[raymo2u]

Just out of curiosity; and, since you brought it up, has anything happened?

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Ive never vented a cell besides some rewraps purposely...Ive done some crazy stupid stuff that would horrify most vapers but Ive never vented a cell or have it go into thermal runaway pulsing or vaping. Ive always replaced cells every 3-4 months due to abuse and precautionary rules I put in place, I only keep cells for 250 cycles and then get new cells.
I only use and trust a few brands for cells, the same goes for the places I get my cells, when your putting your hands at risk you should always go with whats proven and trusted.
Cells I use Samsung 25R, LG HE2/HE4/HB4/HB6/HG2, Sony VTC4/VTC5a, and ve had good results with the new cells Hohmtech have been making at Indonesia Chemistry the Hohm Work cells are much like the 25R and the Hohmlife cells are better then the HG2 cells for both capacity and keeping lower temps at higher amp draws. HOWEVER, I would advise everyone who isnt well rehearsed in battery specs and battery chemistry should read thoroughly through Mooch's studies..

I have had couple incidents like a SMPL clone that auto fired with some .09 4 Core Aliens in a velocity RDA in my bedroom while I went to the bathroom, I came back to my room and there was fire and smoke coming out of my velocity RDA. The drip tip melted completely, cotton was burned completely...coils were fine, mod was too hot to touch and the cell-even after the mod cooled down enough to open it was scolding hot. I recycled the cell afterwards (Samsung 25R). These are the instances where people worry most instead of just pulse rating and amp draw from builds.....Murphies Law was written for a good reason, its natures way of weeding out people who dont learn fast enough or who take risks...

 

[f1r3b1rd]

Ive never vented a cell besides some rewraps purposely...Ive done some crazy stupid stuff that would horrify most vapers but Ive never vented a cell or have it go into thermal runaway pulsing or vaping. Ive always replaced cells every 3-4 months due to abuse and precautionary rules I put in place, I only keep cells for 250 cycles and then get new cells.
I only use and trust a few brands for cells, the same goes for the places I get my cells, when your putting your hands at risk you should always go with whats proven and trusted.
Cells I use Samsung 25R, LG HE2/HE4/HB4/HB6/HG2, Sony VTC4/VTC5a, and ve had good results with the new cells Hohmtech have been making at Indonesia Chemistry the Hohm Work cells are much like the 25R and the Hohmlife cells are better then the HG2 cells for both capacity and keeping lower temps at higher amp draws. HOWEVER, I would advise everyone who isnt well rehearsed in battery specs and battery chemistry should read thoroughly through Mooch's studies..

I have had couple incidents like a SMPL clone that auto fired with some .09 4 Core Aliens in a velocity RDA in my bedroom while I went to the bathroom, I came back to my room and there was fire and smoke coming out of my velocity RDA. The drip tip melted completely, cotton was burned completely...coils were fine, mod was too hot to touch and the cell-even after the mod cooled down enough to open it was scolding hot. I recycled the cell afterwards (Samsung 25R). These are the instances where people worry most instead of just pulse rating and amp draw from builds.....Murphies Law was written for a good reason, its natures way of weeding out people who dont learn fast enough or who take risks...

Damn dude!
Firstly, I'm Glad you're OK. Secondly, thank you for sharing, so that people can learn what to look for.

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