It's the only one I like though.
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It's the only one I like though.
It's only my second one
(I never bought the 75 or 133 Therions). Since getting my first one, It's basically the only mod I've used. I didn't want to wear it out 
. In all seriousness, a friend of mine (@Nevweezy ) and I had been looking hard for a Black Frame/Snakeskin Cover with Carbon Fiber inlays Therion 166. We both jumped on it once we saw them (I couldn't resist). It's really a great mod imo! 
Cheers,
Steve
Edit: My first one had wood inlays, this one has Carbon Fiber inlays. It's like a completely different mod
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Edit: My first one had wood inlays, this one has Carbon Fiber inlays. It's like a completely different mod
The carbon fiber purportedly helps bring out some of the complex subnotes present in the flavorings that before this breakthrough could not be experienced with such intensity.
Plus it hits harderThe carbon fiber purportedly helps bring out some of the complex subnotes present in the flavorings that before this breakthrough could not be experienced with such intensity.
I know it was a mission to find them. I thought we never would. Im glad i waited for the one i really wanted instead of getting a black one with wood inlays. Now just waiting for it to show up, and resisting the urge to get a second one.It's only my second one
Cheers,
Steve
Edit: My first one had wood inlays, this one has Carbon Fiber inlays. It's like a completely different mod
Thanks Steve for being on top of it, i would have been pissed if i found out once they sold out. They seem to not be selling out yet, alot of people dont know about it them yet. Im sure they will sell out in the next couple days.
Omg again this thread. I wanted a Black One in the first place and nowhere in Canada they are to be found. I settled for the silver with black leather and wood inlays. Don't get me wrong. It's beautiful. Did want a black frame from the GetGo. Very tempting to get one shipped to my aunts boyfriends in NY and get him to bring it down when he comes down every few weeks here in Canada. Damn you @Wingsfan0310 Have to fight the urge.
Have to fight the urge.
Have a question for anyone in the know. For example when I'm vaping at say 440F on my Therion everything is great. I swap out batteries and many times I go to take my first puff and it's super hot and the coil is crackling etc. I have to turn down to 400F then eventually I can go back up to 440F. It's just weird. It's only when I swap out my batteries. Just now I swapped out my VTC6s and put my LG HG2s in. There was 70% left.
What's happening is as your vaping the resistance of the coils rises as the coils get hot. While your batteries are in the mod, it automatically locks in the room temperature (cold) resistance of the coils.
Lets say for example with the TCR of the wire you are using, the mod knows you should have a .1 ohm rise in resistance to get to 440F. Lets say your coils cold resistance is .3. The mod would vary/lower power once your coils are at .4 ohms (this is just an example). You don't see the change in resistance because the mod just displays the cold resistance it locked in (I hope you are with me so far).
What's happening is when you change batteries, the mod locks in the new resistance of the coils as the cold resistance. So if you had just vaped on them, that might be, lets say .02 higher so .32 in my example. Then the mod would think it doesn't need to vary/lower the power until resistance rises to .42 ohms. That's sounds like a small difference, but in TC it's not. That would cause exactly what you are experiencing. Then when the mod/coils gets a chance to rests/sleep/cool down it resets the cold resistance to lowest resistance it drops too. The mod keeps monitoring the coils resistance and when it sees the cold resistance is actually lower it locks that in so you can then turn the temp back up (that's called refinement).
You can see this for yourself if you notice what the resistance is before you change your cells vs after (I guarantee you it's higher if you just recently took a puff).
The fix is either to change your cells when the mod/coils are at room temperature (I'd say at least 5-10 minutes of non use) or to lock the resistance before you change your cells (if the mod is basically empty/out of power, sometime this doesn't work, you will know that if when you fire it back up, the lock next to the ohm sign is not lit up).
The Cliff Notes Version:
1. The mod doesn't remember the resistance during battery changes unless the resistance is locked.
2. This only matters if you recently used it.
3. The mod will eventually refine itself so it will basically fix itself.
Cheers,
Steve
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Hello
Just ordered a black Therion 166 smoky brown leather with wood inlays. I had the option to get the grey rat with carbon fibre inlays but i feel like i am not going to like the carbon fibre as much. I wanted the grey rat(snake skin) leather but it doesnt come with the wood inlays. What a shame but i dont mind the smoky brown leather as much as i would mind the carbon fibre inlays. Im from UK btw so if anyone from UK or Europe would like to know the website i found them from i could give you the link. This will be my first DNA device and i cannot wait!!
Just ordered a black Therion 166 smoky brown leather with wood inlays. I had the option to get the grey rat with carbon fibre inlays but i feel like i am not going to like the carbon fibre as much. I wanted the grey rat(snake skin) leather but it doesnt come with the wood inlays. What a shame but i dont mind the smoky brown leather as much as i would mind the carbon fibre inlays. Im from UK btw so if anyone from UK or Europe would like to know the website i found them from i could give you the link. This will be my first DNA device and i cannot wait!!
On another note a big shout out to @Wingsfan0310 for this thread. I honestly probably wouldn't have ever gotten a Therion DNA. After looking at this thread and seeing how nice it looks and hearing about the performance I knew this was the one. Loading up Steve's Ecig file made my TC vaping amazing. I haven't tried wattage mode since I got the Therion almost 2 weeks ago and don't plan on using Watts anytime soon. Love this mod and honestly I have been smoking a few cigs a day all the time the past year. Have had instances where I was smoking more. Since I got the Therion and vaping in TC I haven't had an urge for smoke and haven't had one since the day I got the Therion. Kudos to Steve. Thank you buddy.
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WOW. You're welcome my friend and thank you for the kind words. That was really generous on your part. I'm happy you think the thread has been helpful. The best thing is that you no longer feel like lighting up a cigarette. I hope that continues, that was the best news of all!
Cheers,
Steve
that looks amazing!!
Is this sexy enough?
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My new Black Therion 166 with a Grey Snakeskin Battery Cover just arrived 
I loaded up my Ecig File, took some quick pictures and it's vaping like a charm. First impressions are I'm very impressed. It works great, feels great, looks great, and the cover is fantastic!!! What's not to like
The Two Black Therion 166's side by side
Cheers,
Steve
I loaded up my Ecig File, took some quick pictures and it's vaping like a charm. First impressions are I'm very impressed. It works great, feels great, looks great, and the cover is fantastic!!! What's not to like
The Two Black Therion 166's side by side
Cheers,
Steve
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Those are the ones i was choosing between. Im glad i got the smokey brown with wood inlays. Sure the snake skin one looks amazing but im just really not a big fan of carbon inlays compared to the wood. They both look amazing tho!!! Cant wait for mine to come now!!My new Black Therion 166 with a Grey Snakeskin Battery Cover just arrived
I loaded up my Ecig File, took some quick pictures and it's vaping like a charm. First impressions are I'm very impressed. It works great, feels great, looks great, and the cover is fantastic!!! What's not to like
The Two Black Therion 166's side by side
Cheers,
Steve
The Smoky Brown is the other one in the side by side pics (It has the Wood Inlays - I have more pictures of that one earlier in the thread). I think you are really going to like it.
PS I posted my Ecig File for the Therion 166 if you are interested. Here's the link:
Link to my Therion 166, Triade250, VT133, Lavabox M DNA 75, and VF133 Configuration Files
Cheers,
Steve
Yeah ive seen them i really like them thats what made me get the smokey leather instead of the snakeskin. Awesome device!!
I like it a lot Nev. It seems to have a different pattern than mine, especially on the one side (like in the pic at WNY for the White Snakeskin in the pic of the 6 different varieties of Snakeskin). Yours also seems to have more small dark scales. I actually like both of ours. I can see what you mean about the lighter part, mine has a creamy/yellowish tint depending on where you look on the cover and the light you are in.
Cheers,
Steve
Yeah i love my Therion, such a nice and beutiful mod. I love yours too. I would be happy with either. I really cant tell much difference in both ours. Maybe a slight pattern variation. Yours looks awesome to.
Lets see if i can get these pictures posted into my comment this time. Im new to this so be patient..lol
I was just going to do that for you . No joke, I opened up another tab so I could get the links, when I did, I saw you had already did it.
Cheers,
Steve
. No joke, I opened up another tab so I could get the links, when I did, I saw you had already did it. Cheers,
Steve
What wire/coil do you guys use for temp control and the resistance? New to temp control and i wanna try it!
I mainly either use SS430 from Unkamen or SS316L Clapton Wire (36SS/28SS) from Lightning Vapes. I think most people use SS for TC now. It's very versatile since it can be used in Power Mode or TC.
http://www.creatingunkamen.com/coll...e-nickel-free-introductory-sale-100-guarantee
https://www.lightningvapes.com/collections/specialty-wire/products/clapton-wire?variant=18320477829
Another place you can get good SS316L wire is directly from Temco.
https://www.temcoindustrial.com/stainless-steel-wire-316l-non-resistance.html
I prefer SS430 because it has a higher TCR than 316L, but when I want to use Claptons I use the LV wire. I would venture to guess most use SS316L for TC.
PS I also use NiFe 48/52 and once in awhile 30 but wouldn't recommend getting that until your sure you like TC (it tends to be more expensive)
Cheers,
Steve
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Just to add on to what u saidI mainly either use SS430 from Unkamen or SS316L Clapton Wire (36SS/28SS) from Lightning Vapes. I think most people use SS for TC now. It's very versatile since it can be used in Power Mode or TC.
http://www.creatingunkamen.com/coll...e-nickel-free-introductory-sale-100-guarantee
https://www.lightningvapes.com/collections/specialty-wire/products/clapton-wire?variant=18320477829
Another place you can get good SS316L wire is directly from Temco.
https://www.temcoindustrial.com/stainless-steel-wire-316l-non-resistance.html
I prefer SS430 because it has a higher TCR than 316L, but when I want to use Claptons I use the LV wire. I would venture to guess most use SS316L for TC.
PS I also use NiFe 48/52 and once in awhile 30 but wouldn't recommend getting that until your sure you like TC (it tends to be more expensive)
Cheers,
Steve
Advanced vape supply is my favorite for ss wire. They have ss430 clapton wire and a ton of fancy ss316 wire rolls.
If he wants custom coils check with @b_d_builders and I'm sure he can make some all SS coils for him however he wants
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Thanks for the reply guys. I have been reading aswell and people have recommended to use stainless steel just like you did. I imngoing to try that. Ill buy premade ones like claptons for now until inget the hang of it then try to build my own if i can
I've heard good things about Advanced Vape Supply but have never bought from them so I didn't mention them. At the time I was looking for Clapton wire, LV was running a crazy sale where I was able to get 50 feet of 36/28 SS316L Clapton wire for under $15 shipped. I had sampled LV Clapton wire (@BoostAddict generously sent me some to try) and knew it was good. Speaking of BA, he also speaks highly of Advanced Vape Supply. One of these days I need to order something from them. The problem is I have more assorted wire than an Electrical Supply Company
.Cheers,
Steve.
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I recommend the staggered fused. It's my favorite. The triple core fused is great too. The twisted fused is good for mechs. Has a higher resistance.I've heard good things about Advanced Vape Supply but have never bought from them so I didn't mention them. At the time I was looking for Clapton wire, LV was running a crazy sale where I was able to get 50 feet of 36/28 SS316L Clapton wire for under $15 shipped. I had sampled LV Clapton wire (@BoostAddict generously sent me some to try) and knew it was good. Speaking of BA, he also speaks highly of Advanced Vape Supply. One of these days I need to order something from them. The problem is I have more assorted wire than an Electrical Supply Company
Cheers,
Steve.
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Is the tcr for 316 and 316L the same. Is there a real difference in the two? Ive always been curious about this and when you brought this up, it came to mind.I mainly either use SS430 from Unkamen or SS316L Clapton Wire (36SS/28SS) from Lightning Vapes. I think most people use SS for TC now. It's very versatile since it can be used in Power Mode or TC.
http://www.creatingunkamen.com/coll...e-nickel-free-introductory-sale-100-guarantee
https://www.lightningvapes.com/collections/specialty-wire/products/clapton-wire?variant=18320477829
Another place you can get good SS316L wire is directly from Temco.
https://www.temcoindustrial.com/stainless-steel-wire-316l-non-resistance.html
I prefer SS430 because it has a higher TCR than 316L, but when I want to use Claptons I use the LV wire. I would venture to guess most use SS316L for TC.
PS I also use NiFe 48/52 and once in awhile 30 but wouldn't recommend getting that until your sure you like TC (it tends to be more expensive)
Cheers,
Steve
For all practical purpose it's the same. Steam Engine lists the TCR of SS316L as .000879 and SS316 as .00088
http://www.steam-engine.org/wirewiz.asp
The difference is 316L has a lower max Carbon content (.03% vs .08%). I'm not a metal expert but from the way I understand it, 316L is more corrosion resistant and less likely to crack after being welded. I'm not sure for us that there is really any great difference one way or the other. I've always used 316L (at least that's what it's labeled as
).Cheers,
Steve
Yeah i assumed there wasnt much of a difference. I usually use 316L over 316. Seems 316L is more commonly available and used. I also like the ss430 from unkamen (i think the company is called).For all practical purpose it's the same. Steam Engine lists the TCR of SS316L as .000879 and SS316 as .00088
http://www.steam-engine.org/wirewiz.asp
The difference is 316L has a lower max Carbon content (.03% vs .08%). I'm not a metal expert but from the way I understand it, 316L is more corrosion resistant and less likely to crack after being welded. I'm not sure for us that there is really any great difference one way or the other. I've always used 316L (at least that's what it's labeled as
Cheers,
Steve
We assume the labeling is usually correct but who knows. I love ss though. Its so versatile and i feel it gives better, cleaner flavor. But that might just be in my head.
I think you would have to really search to find 316 rather than 316L these days. It's become my only wire. I have some SS fused Clapton inbound from @b_d_builders who worked with me to pick a build to come in at resistance I wanted in a dual coil configuration. Should be arriving this week. He got them out the door in a day and really nice to work with.
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Does the co-efficient change if you go for a complex wire set up? For instance a simple Coil vs a fused clapton (both just using same metal)
Just trying to figure out temp control on my H-Priv
Used 316L make my own dual fused clapton came out at 0.32 ohm on the deck when I dry burn it goes up roughly 0.1ohm to about 0.42ohm
For the life of me I can't find a sweet spot on it...I like a warm vape. As many have suggested I've set it to 0.00092 but its completely underwhelming hoping you guys with experience could advise on settings
I have 3 options on my mod
Set wattage (tried various guessing just means how quick it get to target temp?) being I take long tokes lower the better?
Select wire type (only a general SS setting on my mod no options for SS type)
Select co-efficient (it defaulted to 0.00105 wasn't too bad here actually)
Then select temp set this to 450.f went up to 470 got dry hits though
Found a great link that explains the theory but homing in is tricky to say the least!
http://ecigarettes.ca/pages/how-does-tc-work-and-what-is-the-temperature-coefficient-of-resistance
Just trying to figure out temp control on my H-Priv
Used 316L make my own dual fused clapton came out at 0.32 ohm on the deck when I dry burn it goes up roughly 0.1ohm to about 0.42ohm
For the life of me I can't find a sweet spot on it...I like a warm vape. As many have suggested I've set it to 0.00092 but its completely underwhelming hoping you guys with experience could advise on settings
I have 3 options on my mod
Set wattage (tried various guessing just means how quick it get to target temp?) being I take long tokes lower the better?
Select wire type (only a general SS setting on my mod no options for SS type)
Select co-efficient (it defaulted to 0.00105 wasn't too bad here actually)
Then select temp set this to 450.f went up to 470 got dry hits though
Found a great link that explains the theory but homing in is tricky to say the least!
http://ecigarettes.ca/pages/how-does-tc-work-and-what-is-the-temperature-coefficient-of-resistance
The TCR of the metal doesn't change, no matter the gauge, amount of wires, etc. The TCR is the TCR. What will change is the amount of power required to get you to the set temp though. More metal mass will require more power.
I'm not sure how Smoke does TC, but the DNA's use the actual TCR - like .00088 for SS316. I've seen people use anything from that up to .00094. With SS being an Alloy, a slight change in the mixture will change the TCR. Personally, unless the wires TCR is way off, I leave the TCR alone and adjust the temperature if I want a hotter or cooler vape. Just my 2 cents.
Cheers,
Steve
Edit What I'm saying is the TCR you are using for SS316 is .00105 (which is quite a bit higher than what Steam Engine says it is) and running it at a higher temp, then I'm not surprised it's giving you dry or really hot hits.
I use the curve for SS316L from Steam Engine which is based off of a TCR of .00088. I set my temp to 420F and I get a nice vape (I don't like a really warm vape).
In TC:
The temperature you set controls how hot or cold your vape is.
The wattage and preheat controls how fast you get to the set temp (ramp-up time).
Notes:
1. Like I said, I'm not sure how Smok does TC. It may be that you need a higher TCR to get to the same place that you do on a DNA.
2. A TCR of .00105 would be higher than that of SS304. Not all SS316L is created equally.
3. Dry Hits are usually caused by your wicking not being able to keep up. It's also caused by running out of juice
I'm not sure how Smoke does TC, but the DNA's use the actual TCR - like .00088 for SS316. I've seen people use anything from that up to .00094. With SS being an Alloy, a slight change in the mixture will change the TCR. Personally, unless the wires TCR is way off, I leave the TCR alone and adjust the temperature if I want a hotter or cooler vape. Just my 2 cents.
Cheers,
Steve
Edit What I'm saying is the TCR you are using for SS316 is .00105 (which is quite a bit higher than what Steam Engine says it is) and running it at a higher temp, then I'm not surprised it's giving you dry or really hot hits.
I use the curve for SS316L from Steam Engine which is based off of a TCR of .00088. I set my temp to 420F and I get a nice vape (I don't like a really warm vape).
In TC:
The temperature you set controls how hot or cold your vape is.
The wattage and preheat controls how fast you get to the set temp (ramp-up time).
Notes:
1. Like I said, I'm not sure how Smok does TC. It may be that you need a higher TCR to get to the same place that you do on a DNA.
2. A TCR of .00105 would be higher than that of SS304. Not all SS316L is created equally.
3. Dry Hits are usually caused by your wicking not being able to keep up. It's also caused by running out of juice
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That all depends on your personal preference. Some people want it to be at temp almost immediately. Some want it to ramp up a little more slowly. I don't think there is a right answer to that question.. My best advice would be to find a temperature that you like, then mess around with the power and preheat settings (if you have that option) until you find what you like best.
Fast ramp up time is more like BAM, in you face.
Slow Ramp up is more mild and gives you time to get use to it.
This is the way I think of it. Everyone is different and has different likes. It's like driving a car, some people mash the accelerator to get up to speed as fast as they can. Some people build speed more slowly. In the end they are both traveling at the same velocity, it just took one of them longer to get there.
Cheers,
Steve
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Ok thanks Steve
Adjusted co-efficient to 0.00088
Wattage at 45
Temp at 460f
Better I can take a 3 second draw no burnt taste at all now
It just lacks that oomph I'm used to in power mode
Have air slots almost shut gives better flavour than it did but still an airy vape by all accounts (Using the RTA on the Smok beast tank)
Edit: Ok mucked about for a bit settled on
Co-efficient 0.00088
Wattage at 40
Temp 490f
Much better
Adjusted co-efficient to 0.00088
Wattage at 45
Temp at 460f
Better I can take a 3 second draw no burnt taste at all now
It just lacks that oomph I'm used to in power mode
Have air slots almost shut gives better flavour than it did but still an airy vape by all accounts (Using the RTA on the Smok beast tank)
Edit: Ok mucked about for a bit settled on
Co-efficient 0.00088
Wattage at 40
Temp 490f
Much better
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Sorry to hear that. I hate when my vapemail doesnt get to me when its suppose to. Lately ive had some pretty good luck with usps. Ive been getting my packages a day or two earlier than there expected delivery day. Hope you get your stuff.I've had zero luck with usps lately. Looks like my Therion was tried to be delivered in NY.
Here's a couple of more pictures I just took of the mod. Our good weather has went away and the cold and snow is back 
Cheers,
Steve
Cheers,
Steve
Thanks, it sucks! I contacted the company that sent it and asked them to look into it. They replied that delivery had been attempted. I said yeah, in fuckin NY not in FL where I live!
Looking nice, I love my Therion. I feel like the cf inlay and snakeskin door is one of the best looking mods on the market. Its so nice im afraid to get juice on it or drop it. I baby it so much.Here's a couple of more pictures I just took of the mod. Our good weather has went away and the cold and snow is back
Cheers,
Steve
Yeah ive heard some horror storys about usps. Thank god the place in NY didnt accept the package. Hopefully it shows up for you.Thanks, it sucks! I contacted the company that sent it and asked them to look into it. They replied that delivery had been attempted. I said yeah, in fuckin NY not in FL where I live!
Thx bro, lol.Well, mine was delivered to some lucky son of a bitch in NY.
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That sucksWell, mine was delivered to some lucky son of a bitch in NY.