Forum for: Warnings about new laws or bans on vaping or CBD?

Discussion in 'Forum Topic/section requests' started by dez, Sep 13, 2019.

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Would you like 1 forum, to SPECIFICALLY TAKE ACTION on the laws/bans on subjects we discuss here?

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  1. dez

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    I get a lot of emails about warnings on bans on vaping, or certain products.. and the newest is a ban ON ALL FLAVORED VAPING JUICES..WHICH IS ALL E-JUICE.. since they all have some flavor in them, and it would be GREAT if there was one forum where we could go to see these warnings- and see where we can go to call or send an email, or sign a petition, to voice our opinions- and Enlighten people in power about what they are trying to ban, -(which in this case is all vaping Ejuice), though the problem has been with people vaping TH*C oil or things with vitamin E added or underground cartridges specifically, and getting lipid pneumonia. I am going to post about this under the vaping e-juice section right now and probably the C*D section- since you can Vape it also- and some of those are flavored.. And THIS BAN IS ON ALL FLAVORED EJUICE.

    *I got an email from Nicotine River about this, and a phone number to the White House I will be posting- where you can call & tell a human your msg, and let them know exactly how they are wrong about what they are even wanting to Ban, and that IT DOES NOT HURT TO GET KNOWLEDGE BEFORE YOU VOTE ON BANNING SOMETHING that AFFECTS MILLIONS of PEOPLE!
     
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    We have an advocacy subforum, but for CBD, of course, that has to stay in that section. We could sticky a thread in there, though.
     
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    A sticky would be great. I have never noticed an advocacy subforum..in about 1.5-2 years..
    A sticky in the c*d forum, plus a forum solely for news about proposed bans/laws on vaping would be great. I think ppl would see it much better & check in & take action more, if it had it's own forum.. (Or maybe just relabeling/moving the 1 you already have? Just something to think about..)
     
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    Well, we also have news sections. @5150sick has been sticky-ing threads like crazy in there, lately, with all the new info affecting us.
     
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    VU was built for one reason and one reason only - to secure the future of vaping. Worse case senario vaping goes back to 2013 - in terms of getting your juice.... I'm ok with that. I think the commercialization killed the community and vibe.
     
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    That's the year I started vaping, and it kept me from smoking :)
     
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    I disagree because juice represents 50% of the profit that vape shops make so a flavor ban would effectively drive almost all of them straight out of business. Not to mention the fact a flavor ban would create a black market where there isn't one... the public health consequences of such a black market would then be blamed on vaping, the same exact way these consequences are being blamed on vaping right now. Trust me. You don't want these inquisitors to hand the vaping industry over to the mob. Instead, you want to burn them immediately at the stake, professionally, like Greg Conley did:
    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/heal...-e-cigarettes-conley-gupta-newday-sot-vpx.cnn
     
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    I've had some health issues I've been dealing with so yesterday was my first time back on for several months. I'll look around. Thanks!
     
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    I don't want anything to make it harder to get your juice or supplies or anything else we talk about on here, because there is one specific juice I've been vaping for several years that I absolutely LOVE..(and am never happy with anything else.. even if it is very good.. I just don't like it like my all day Vape that I've had for several years) that
    I have to order the flavor concentrate for online.

    I did call the White House and leave a message with a human being, about how they are trying to ban the wrong substance in the first place, and how to protect against keeping kids out of this (as much as possible) without hurting the rest of the population whose lives have been saved by having an alternative to cancer-causing cigarettes.. and let them know that I'm a 40 year old female, and I'm grateful not to die from cancer from smoking like my grandfather, because I have this option, and that I make my own juice.. but need flavor to do that, and I don't even use nicotine in mine. If they ban flavored juices they are banning all juices and that leaves many people who have quit cigarettes and saved their own lives, to have no option but to go back to smoking if they can't just quit.

    I also sent emails to representatives, & told them there is an easy way to keep it out of the hands of kids, (and some companies started doing this years ago), and all they have to do is what some websites have- where when you set up an account, you have to upload a picture of your ID, and then when you log back in with your email/password afterwards- it is just as easy as before to order what you need. *Also, lots of kids do not have credit cards and you need one to order online.

    (In my opinion, I would rather see kids who are smoking cigarettes switch to vaping anyway, IF THEIR PARENTS CAN'T MAKE THEM STOP.- It's healthier *no matter who you are- (if you're not going to Not Smoke) to vape, than to smoke cigarettes.
    *If you're a parent, think about this- wouldn't you rather your children, (if you can't stop them anyway), get into something LESS HARMFUL than cigarettes- (something with ever-increasing nicotine..with unknown levels, and at least 3,000 - 5000 carcinogens in it?) Wouldn't something with only 3 ingredients: flavor, propylene glycol, & vegetable glycerin.. (which I believe has been found to be antibacterial when inhaled).. and (vaping Ejuice) was deemed safe on the show "The Doctors"? It may or may not have nicotine, but at least has a nicotine level noted on it. If they're going to do one or the other anyway, wouldn't you rather it be vaping than cigarettes?

    I also let them know that these flavors are NOT like grape lollipop for children. They are usually complex, with several flavors mixed, & most people who make their own combine multiple flavors for the complexity of adult-like desserts.. like custards, or flavors with layers that are complex, and named websites where they can read the descriptions and see these are not aimed at children, but are complex flavors more adults like. I told them it's a little ridiculous to say "only children like brownies" or Donuts, or a custard, or a fruit bowl, Etc.

    (In small towns like where I live, a lot of stores can't afford to keep up with all of the new laws and had to close down, and selection is already really bad.. and it's pretty impossible to get good prices on things you need- or even GET EVERYTHING YOU MAY NEED SOMETIMES- so I would really hate to see it become harder to get things I need where I can afford it on my budget.)

    I've met people on here that had cancer- one of them had lung cancer from cigarettes.. and was able to beat it.. and started vaping, and I'm sure that man would not have lived if he had not been able to stop smoking- and it is a much more safe alternative to still give you the hand-to-mouth action that is soothing for people who have smoked- without the carcinogens in cigarettes. It is a much safer alternative to be able to get off of cigarettes and wean down nicotine easily too.

    Also- MOST OF THIS is on the heels of reports that numbers something like: 28% of kids quit smoking cigarettes, and 25% started vaping. (Who knows if this is true?)
    (They also have seen a big uptick in serious lung problems in (1) TOWN- that they are attributing to vaping. They have PINPOINTED this much about these cases- the people that have become very sick were vaping T*C oil, using underground cartridges, (probably pre-filled with a mystery T*C oil), and using a vitamin E additive. (If you have used vitamin E in skincare, you know it is very oily.. and probably has lipids, with all of this probably causing lipid pneumonia, (*and oils are not in E Juice at all, so a ban on Ejuice is the wrong product to ban anyway (if you are going to ban something)).
    *Since it is in (1) TOWN- I am guessing there is a head-shop, or maybe 1 person or group, Distributing something they shouldn't, or something else blackmarket, or else the cases would be scattered around the United States- or at least a larger region, otherwise.)

    -I started bumming cigarettes in my late teens, or having friends that were older by them for me..and then started buying my own when I was 18, (and sometimes before I was 18 depending on who was working), and it took 5 times trying to quit cold turkey before it stuck. But about 15 years later (I hated to do it, but I was so stressed at work I started bumming cigarettes at work and smoking 1/2 of one.. but I hated the smell on my hands, in my hair, and on my breath.. and I could simply walk past my boss and he knew I'd smoked a cigarette when I had never smoked before), and I got lucky because I was at the gas station..to buy a pack, and saw a display of something I've never seen there, and it was a display of vaporizer pens. I asked about it and the man who owns the store didn't really know anything, but the coke delivery man overheard me and did, and directed me to a vaping store and I've been vaping since.

    My grandfather died of cancer- and was deformed after surgery for the mouth and throat cancer for a long time, & refused to go back to the doctors when he was sick, and none of us knew it until it was too late when he collapsed one day.. and I'm lucky that there's another option for me.
     
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    Here in Belgium, Europe we have a complete ban on all vaping products sold to consumers online. The official "explanation" from our minister of public health boiled down to the "fact" that, even if our gov't would decide to invest big money into making online age verification work despite they didn't actually have a lot of money to spend extra towards basically anything, then there still wouldn't be any guarantee that online age verification would be reliable. That's it. They lack the resources to catch a problem child because a problem child can still do identity theft to work around online age verification. So basically, adults who are smokers have to pay for the fact there can be a problem child, and have to pay for it with their lives because our gov't doesn't have any money to pay for that. To stop this same problem child from still obtaining a vape from some place else, our gov't uses Black Magic, which is always entirely for free. Neo-liberalism and its ideological perseverance isn't the same as populism. It's 150 times worse.
     
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    Here in the U.S. this is much the same argument regarding the mass murder shootings. There is always a way around any law or regulation, ensuring there is always a black market to facilitate ways around them. I think adults need to accept the responsibility of being adults, and set an example for children. This usually in and of itself does not require a lot of money, only shifting a person's views, priorities.

    It keeps returning to educating people. Someone has to stand up and take the responsibility to educate. With children, parents need to parent and set the example. In society those that lead need to lead by example. Ultimately it comes to people needing to accept personal accountability, taking responsibility. I'm sure you too can see how quickly everyone runs to do that. Even I at times struggle with it, so not pointing any fingers, only talking in general.

    I think this has been and will continue being a problem globally for a long time. I am doubting it will change, sure I can hope it does, doen't mean it will. Each of us can only do what is in our sphere of life to do the best we can. That is not an excuse nor accusation but acceptance and possibly resignation of and to a fact.
     
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    That stinks! How about fining the parents of these kids for neglecting to supervise them? I guarantee if kids are charged with identity theft for using someone else's I'd online, + computer fraud, & the parents punished in some way..it would definitely make the parents pay more attention, instead of the rest of the world having to look after their kids for them!
     
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    To be able to fine them, you have to be able to catch them first. Therein lies the biggest problem... identity theft occurs behind closed doors where there are no witnesses until the parents find out so, if they do find out, they themselves will still be held accountable by law because they're the ones responsible for their own children, and, laws are meant to be broken. But banning internet sales is a fake solution, as kids who are clever enough to fool their own parents are also clever enough to get a vape from someplace other than the internet, just like they are clever enough to get normal cigs before they make the switch to vaping. That's right, research in the UK has shown that youths smoking continues to decline, that kids experimenting with e-cigs remains low, and that the vast majority of underage vapers who vape regularly HAVE smoked AND are rare (less than 1%), and, PHE has also acknowledged this! This is also in addition to my common observation that this ban is driving adult vapers back to smoking cigs, and is weaning adult smokers off trying to stop smoking. I can see this is truly what's happening every week.

    In my country this is how it's been for the past 2 years 8 months already so the downward trend in vaping has become extremely well visible by now... just not to those who continue to look the other way. That's also the saddest part. The vast majority of people live inside a bubble that's no bigger than the front cover of the propagandist magazine that they read. They don't give 2 hoots about real science because they haven't a single clue what fake news even looks like. I don't very often mention this, but I finished my high school education in maths and sciences, and I also have a formal degree in computer science. The scientific explanation of why not a lot of young people choose to go for a science degree is because almost nobody ever listens to real scientists. To prove my point, after Clair Patterson gave the evidence that lead poisoning from car exhausts was creating a public health disaster, it took 3 whole fucking decades before someone finally listened. A recent study revealed that people who grew up in a region with heavy car traffic during the 1980s are still suffering from permanent brain damage right now, which can be directly traced back to lead poisoning from car fumes. That's the lobbying industry for ya.
     
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    I too see that as being the "strategy" here in America. The goal is anything but "save the children". Power does not give a toss about the children. Well, possibly as a "human resource" even then not really. Soon enough they will begin replacing what humans do work wise, letting robotics and automation take it all over. Why care about people any more?

    Exactly. No one has taught the basics of "think for yourself" any more. Of course, no one really figured out they could do just that, at least until now. Now we can, do, continue power wants it stopped.
     
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    I have another post- regarding the fda regulations & C*D that I just copied from an email.. if anyone wants to act on it. I'll post it in that forum.
     
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    Where? I was just in the C*D discussion forum & there are only 2 stickies @ the top..mine for sales/discount codes..& 1 with rules..
     
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    In the News and Media areas.
     
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    It's about C*D. .so it's confusing as to where to post things about it that normally fall into other categories- because normally, anything at all about that topic has to be under that forum.. So a sticky there would be VERY HELPFUL.

    Then, when someone goes to that forum, they will see the sticky at the top, and if they are interested in current news/the legality of it, (& this could go for Vaping, Ejuice, or any topic..) they can click and go in right there, and have access- whereas they may not come across the news elsewhere.. if not specifically looking for a particular article.. when all news or ways to take action on bans are in one place (that they may never click on without a reason).

    -I feel if we are going to be proactive, and ask others to be..it helps greatly to give them the info right where they would go to talk about the product already- instead of putting it where they'd have to be a mind reader or specifically know that there is something specific in a separate forum.. for them to keep checking for. Giving everyone the info on laws/bans/voting in a sticky under each product type that can be affected would make it much easier & faster for them to find out the importance of the info & click a link to act..instead of expecting them to all go to 1 forum they mostly don't go to without a reason- just in my opinion. I just think the ease of getting the info is a big part..& if there's a sticky in a section they go to often anyway, they are more likely to look in on it more..
     
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    I appreciate your idea here. I sincerely do and can agree not everyone reads minds, even some that do can have issues at times.

    The big problem though in dealing with keeping each product updated lies in the sheer number of products there are and will be. Yes, an algorithm could possibly push news stories, articles to each product section / sub forum. As far as I'm aware though processing natural language is still a little difficult even for some of the better artificial intellects. And that would need to be done in order to facilitate this programed push, items would need correlated.

    There is work using perl, grep, awk and regular expressions which is helping as it can be implemented into artificial intellect algorithms. This still is not a magic wand though. There are still too many randomized (truly random too not computed random) variables which seem to gum up the workings. So yes, we have the technology that should be able to do this as you suggest but it is not yet quite capable of doing it. Further, it actually may not ever be fully capable. Of course though, I am sure some hacker will prove that false too, sometime.

    The problem lies in the subjectivity of vaping too. Do you consider different variants of a flavor of ejuice as a product each to their own? Maybe you think squonking mods are their own product but others see them as box mods. I'm sure those in charge of VU's forum here would agree that your idea is really good and valid, and would love to try doing it. I think it is a good idea too. I'm just trying to think through how it would be something that could be done. What I see are the difficulties needing solutions and some having no means to fit a solution.

    Please do think some more though. :) You have some good ideas. :) I mean that too.
     
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    Це дуже гарна ідея, яку Олександр представляє у своєму відео. Можливо, нам в Америці потрібно почати робити так само і розміщувати свої ясні свідчення легенів. Єдине, що може бути Youtube, можливо, почне цензуру їх за те, щоб представити правду.

    Это очень хорошая идея, которую Александр представляет в своем видео. Возможно, нам в Америке нужно начать делать то же самое и публиковать наши свидетельства о чистоте легких. Единственное, что является Youtube, может начать подвергать их цензуре за представление правды.

    That is a very good idea Alexander presents in his video. Perhaps we in America need to start doing similarly and posting our vaping clear lung testimonies. The only thing being Youtube might likely start censoring them for presenting the truth.

    Apologies for both Ukrainian & Russian translations. I know some that do not speak one or the other as a matter of principle, chose to respect both.

    Извинения за украинский и русский переводы. Я знаю некоторых, которые не говорят ни того, ни другого в принципе, предпочитают уважать оба.

    Вибачення за переклад українською та російською мовами. Я знаю, що деякі, які не говорять про те чи інше як принципово, вирішили поважати і те, і інше.

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    Of course, other social video sharing sites exist. Daily Motion is one example. There are also Open Source video sharing sites.

    Звичайно, існують й інші соціальні сайти спільного використання відео. Щоденний рух - один із прикладів. Існують також сайти обміну відео з відкритим кодом.

    Конечно, существуют и другие сайты для обмена социальными видео. Daily Motion является одним из примеров. Есть также сайты с открытым исходным кодом для обмена видео.


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    «Не могу остановить сигнал, Мал. Все куда-то идет, и я иду везде». - Мистер Вселенная
     
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    From what I know being a NYer the only two flavors that can legally be vaped are Tobacco and Menthol. Funny, they are flavors.. Does not make sense to me. Plus after the 4th of Oct when the ban takes effect NYers can not mail away for juice from any state. A lot of vape shops have this message on their sites. So its DIY time of black market!
     
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    What though if someone from outside of NY, say in WV, TN, IL, IN, MA, GA, TX maybe, just decides to send flavored ejuice to your address?

    I mean technically you would not be mailing away for ejuice would you?
     
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    So this has gone through in New York? Has it gone through everywhere?
    If so.. when does that start?
    Even if you do it yourself, you still need flavor concentrate. Can you still buy that?
     
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    There was a vape shop in Dalton, Georgia that was new.. and me and my boyfriend used to go there all of the time a few years ago, and the guy that opened that new shop called BackAlley Vapors, was really nice, David, and he would let you trade in your model of vaporizer for another one.. or give you cash for it.. and he would even loan out his extras if you had a problem with yours, -and he even took time TWICE.. when the prongs got bent on mine when it dropped (and I caught it by the cord out of reflex), and he got special tools & took it apart and worked on it for a couple of hours or more, plus he would also drill holes in the cheap tanks I had, with tiny drill bits he bought..so that I could get the right air flow- and he did this for everybody!

    But after the 1st new vaping laws came through, (I had been gone a while because I lived about 45 minutes away), and next time we went to his shop, it was closed.

    He was the nicest guy, and it was a really cool place to hang out at, & he was Pro everything I believe in, & he was the kind of person that would stand up for the right thing, and people hung out at his shop on the stools all around the counter all day, but as soon as the vaping laws changed with more regulation, his awesome new shop he partially hand-built.. went under.. and it is a shame because it was the best shop to do business with that I have ever come in contact with. Dave, if you're out there, we miss you! Desiree
     
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    The flavors are still going to be the same flavors people use for cooking. It is similar to how the wire we use for coils can be used to make elements for toasters, or for other various applications. These, the flavors or wire can not actually get banned as they might be used for other purposes.

    Will they going to stop you from buying say strawberry flavoring? No. They have no idea what you are intending to use the flavoring to do. You might be making strawberry flavored cake, possibly using the flavoring in some kinky sex, maybe making strawberry milkshakes, you could be making strawberry flavored vaping juice. That doesn't mean you are making strawberry flavored vaping juice. And even if you are, they can not feasibly prove you are selling or giving it to minors, unless you blatantly do so right in front of a law enforcement agent.

    So, I think we'll still be able to get flavors and continue to DIY our own juices. Are they going to fine and arrest everyone that cooks, using flavors? Alright, guess all of America can go to prison then. I am thinking that won't happen and because a lot of people are going to be filing civil suits, which cut the government's purse strings. They government will see there's no profiting and in fact only losing to trying to enforce unjust laws and will not bother. Worst case scenario they actually call upon soldiers to fire at Americans as means of stopping an insurgency. Sorry but I know many soldiers are educated enough to realize that would be an illegal and unlawful order, they would refuse it outright.

    We still have the right of seeking remedy by way of peaceful assembly. Our using these products is a form of expressing that peaceful assembly. The government also can not restrict our right of expression, ergo vapers united like we are is an expression of solidarity and peaceful assembly. We are not an insurgency simply because we disagree with government policy. We are simply people that disagree with government policy and are waging such as a grievance, in a peaceful assembly to be remedied by the government.

    I think someone else had a very good idea. We can pretty much ignore these silly new regulations and stupid bans, laws. The government has stuck its foot in its mouth really hard over vaping, and it got caught by people just anxious to sue it. People start bringing class action suits to court against the federal and state governments, watch how quickly all these silly laws, bans, regulations start vanishing and getting forgotten.

    Think about it in the context of some comment I saw in an article about these bans.

    "The government has decided to ban and fine people for using flavored air."
     
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    MyMagicMist Platinum Contributor Member For 3 Years ECF Refugee

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    I think he is correct. Seems to line up all the dots well. Here's the article he discusses too. Another relating to the idea of the Fed pumping money to banks. Yet another which is even more telling.

    Be sure to be wary of disinformation. There's a difference between it and misinformation. Misinformation can be excused, corrected. Disinformation is an outright lie.
     
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    Bull City Flavors for example sells its products for production of beer / cakes etc. I think they can't stop the DIY ;) Thank goodness for that

     
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    MyMagicMist Platinum Contributor Member For 3 Years ECF Refugee

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    Kind of my suspicion as well. *sly grin* "Where a will, a way."
     

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