Concerned vapor

[vinnyvapes]

Hey vapors I was looking through ecf the other day and came across this from ecf. This concerns me, I posted this in some other places and got zero answers. Anybody else have a concern about this.

Caution: flavourings
Food-grade flavouring compounds are, by definition, not tested for inhalation. There are likely to be health implications resulting from inhalation of some flavours, and right now we do not have a complete list of the problematic ones. At least one is known to be extremely hazardous to the lungs (diacetyl) and there is no reason to suspect it is an isolated case. Because too little is known about this aspect of vaping, ECF cannot advise you in detail on this issue; but we do know that as well as butter-popcorn the creamy, buttery, custard-type flavours will probably entail riskeven if diacetyl itself is absent(because this group of flavours has a question mark regarding safety).

This flavour group includes diacetyl, acetoin, and acetyl propionyl: the dairy, creamy flavours. Realistically, we do not know if there are any safe flavours for inhalation in this group.

 

[kelli]

hi, i understand your concern. but anything we are inhaling in e-juice is probably harmless compared to the hundreds of toxins found in cigarette smoke. i remember awhile back there was a big hubbub about cinnamon in e-juice. some of the vendors even discontinued all their juices containing cinnamon....until it was finally discovered it was much ado about nothing.

of course, we will do everything we can to avoid sucking bad things into our lungs, so obviously stay away from any juice that contains diacetyl. but i think a lot of the scare tactics about e-juice are perpetrated by BT and ANTZ. just sayin'.....

 

[vinnyvapes]

Thank you. I was just trying to get clarification on why all of a sudden a post comes up like that on ecf

 

[Kang]

Seems this chemical has been on the radar for at least a couple years now. Any reputable juice vendor would post on their site that their juice doesn't contain diacetyl… like the shop i go to : http://www.fluidvaper.com/E-LIQUID_c_16.html

 

[Cramptholomew]

Acetoin and Acetyl Propionyl are chemicals used to replace diacetyl. There were studies done that question whether they too have the same safety concerns as diacetyl. They both can produce small amounts of naturally occurring diacetyl under the right circumstances. Whether or not they are to be avoided is up in the air right now, but some people choose to avoid them anyway.

 

[Garemlin]

I can see this being used as a selling point.

Our juice contains no diacetyl

Kinda like the "No MSG" on the doors of some Chinese take-out joints.

 

[UncleRJ]

Of course we should all be concerned about what we inhale of ingest.

ECF is going above and beyond to cover their asses.

My body is a temple!

Sure its a freaking mess but still its a bloody temple!

 

[Cramptholomew]

I can see this being used as a selling point.

Our juice contains no diacetyl

Kinda like the "No MSG" on the doors of some Chinese take-out joints.

Except MSG is really of no concern.

 

[Garemlin]

Except MSG is really of no concern.

True but it did become a selling point to be included in advertising.

 

[Cramptholomew]

True but it did become a selling point to be included in advertising.

True. I wish it hadn't though. Love me some msg!

 

[RocketPuppy]

I can see this being used as a selling point.

Our juice contains no diacetyl

Kinda like the "No MSG" on the doors of some Chinese take-out joints.

From where do you get your flavors?

 

[vinnyvapes]

So if it is naturally occurring in certain instances then I could assume all flavor juice contain a trace. Or is it just cream flavors. Cause I hooked on unicorn milk by cutwood which is a creamy strawberry flavor.

 

[vinnyvapes]

Acetoin and Acetyl Propionyl are chemicals used to replace diacetyl. There were studies done that question whether they too have the same safety concerns as diacetyl. They both can produce small amounts of naturally occurring diacetyl under the right circumstances. Whether or not they are to be avoided is up in the air right now, but some people choose to avoid them anyway.

Avoid them how? Don't vape any creamy/buttery flavors

 

[Emilie]

There are certain (two) flavor companies that test for these three chemicals (known as "custard notes") and release the results of those tests. FlavourArt (FA) and The Flavor Apprentice (TFA). FA actually has a section of their website called "E-Cigarette" and the flavors in that section don't contain ANY of the custard notes. Not even small amounts. TFA lets you know the flavors that contain any of the custard notes, which allows you to decide whether or not you want to take a chance on those chemicals. I, personally, don't. I'm going for harm-reduction, so I avoid those flavors with custard notes.

 

[vinnyvapes]

There are certain (two) flavor companies that test for these three chemicals (known as "custard notes") and release the results of those tests. FlavourArt (FA) and The Flavor Apprentice (TFA). FA actually has a section of their website called "E-Cigarette" and the flavors in that section don't contain ANY of the custard notes. Not even small amounts. TFA lets you know the flavors that contain any of the custard notes, which allows you to decide whether or not you want to take a chance on those chemicals. I, personally, don't. I'm going for harm-reduction, so I avoid those flavors with custard notes.

So what flavors do you actually vape. Fruity, tobacco?

 

[Emilie]

I mostly vape fruity, but I also vape Cinnamon Roll.

Thankfully, FA and TFA actually have a few dairy and custard flavors WITHOUT the "custard notes"...somehow.

So my ADVs are Strawberries 'n' Cream and, again, Cinnamon Roll. I'm working on a Lemon Meringue Pie.

I don't do tobaccos.