the moves taken or where it’s headed looks like control of distribution, wholesale and tying up nic manufacture is the goal
Altria looking to get a peice of JUUL - still heresay until it isn’t,
JUUL tried to distance itself from big tobacco but if my research in this thread is anything to go by they have had a history with BT from their ealy days in one form or another albeit in a different company name
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/28/altria-is-reportedly-in-talks-to-take-a-minority-stake-in-juul.html
This has to make you pause and wonder how this will affect BT playing both sides of the regulations.
I'm okay with BT getting into the vape industry, just worried about them lobbying for closed systems. Another concern I would have is any additives they may add to juices.
I'm okay with BT getting into the vape industry, just worried about them lobbying for closed systems. Another concern I would have is any additives they may add to juices.
My thought is BT + anything vaping isn't good. You can't change a leopards spots and all BT is after, as proven by past performance, is control, customers, and profit. If they can have their foot in FDA's door and FDA imposes what they want on vaping, BT would get what they're after if they come up with an FDA approved device.Definitely a concern ...repeat business and brand loyalty is what they trade in and what they know and juul are investing in future closed systems where only a single user can activate the device and it remains off in certain places.
Juul has a major foothold so while Altria don’t own a majority share there’s a lot of disruptive influencing that could go on to lower thier brand and snap em up cheaper...hope not instead I hope they join forces to better the industry but I’ll remain cautiously on the fence about it all
It may come down to just sealed systems.
However that is still better for those wanting to quit smoking than virtually no legal to buy vape options.
I do not really have any problems with BT. I am not pro BT either.
But they kept me well supplied with Cigs for 40 years.
It was MY choice to be stupid and smoke.
I just hope that those in the future that want to quit smoking have at least a vaping option open since BP's options really do not work.
I actually have more problems with Big Pharma than Big Tobacco.
Yep I figure that BP wants to have sealed systems be the only legal vape source and have them be prescription only...Pharma have holdings as well ...we’ll see them rise to the surface when over regulation and prescription services kick in ...that’s what they are after I suspect
I admit I don’t read what BT puts out there due to the fact they have literally been publishing lies and half truths my entire life.
Explain your hours upon hours of research then Steve? Compared to the collective input so far
what open systems are they supporting? How many are out there with thier name on it to date?
who is the store chain?You mean this bullshit statement listed at the bottom? ...they have fuck-all open systems is the answer
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who is the store chain?
What product?
What kind of System? rda/rta?
I don’t think taste is enough honestly. Duplicate the hit and taste would be needed I think.If Altria or one of the other BT could dupe the flavor of Marlboro or some of the other really big sellers, they'd really have something and smokers might be more open to at least try vaping
I don’t think taste is enough honestly. Duplicate the hit and taste would be needed I think.
If Altria or one of the other BT could dupe the flavor of Marlboro or some of the other really big sellers, they'd really have something and smokers might be more open to at least try vaping
I don’t think taste is enough honestly. Duplicate the hit and taste would be needed I think.
Haven't ever hit one. Now I know not to, want keep my distance from anything that reminds me of smoking. Found out the hard way last year I am far from cured regarding my smoking addiction. Am rather proud I didn’t give in, literally could not go in anywhere cigs were sold for a couple weeks. Was harder than quitting honestly.Both would help - but there is a reason Juul dominates - it's the closest thing to a cigarette draw I've ever tried
It was kinda scary actually
Haven't ever hit one. Now I know not to, want keep my distance from anything that reminds me of smoking. Found out the hard way last year I am far from cured regarding my smoking addiction. Am rather proud I didn’t give in, literally could not go in anywhere cigs were sold for a couple weeks. Was harder than quitting honestly.
I wholeheartedly agree. I suspect that more Juul users don't move into open systems than we know. Lucy is the third person I've seen post how close Juul devices are to actually smoking. That is using Juul juices though, not refill other salt brands.Also Juul is much safer than the open tank higher wattage vaping that most of us do.
Not heard yet of anyone blowing their face off with a Juul or their balls of with spare Juul batteries in their pocket.
Not a Juul fan but see it's place.
Just hope that open system remains viable in the future. But smokers need things like Juul for the most part to get off of cigs.
I think you are stronger willed than I might have been. Afraid it being so close would have tipped me over the edge.I got them for my still-smoking husband, they really did scare me the sensation of smoking was so strong with it, though it didn't taste like a smoke, the feel was definitely there
I have only taken one other drag from one since I bought his about a year and a half ago, that was when I was bringing his with me to the hospital and I needed a stealth vape. Same thing - reminded me big time of smoking
I am too tight assed to be tied to pods or replaceable coils or even pre-made juice.
Same here pretty much built up a big enough hardware stash to maybe last the rest of my life and still spent maybe 1/4 of what I would have been spending on cigs at $34/carton.Me too - I loved the Von Erl and would have loved to use it more - just too damn expensive
If I'da been buying commercial juice all this time, would never have been able to afford my fairly nice vapocolypse stash