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I agree you don't need to fry the liquid to enjoy nice smooth flavor on one of my mods I still use the VIVI Nova top coil my settings are 4.5 watts , 3.4 volts ,2.5 ohms filled with DIY Strawberry cream / Custard taste delightful . More power is not always better ! VAPE OWN Bro's & Sis's .Good old Zen,one of the Grandfathers of vaping....He's right ...the dirty little secret we don't talk about is how vaping has been co-opted...Look at the threads on this forum....you have all these newbies running around with their 500watt robomods and their chinomizers with 1/2 inch airflows asking how they can get a bigger cloud or has anyone seen the newest 1000 watt box.....they are for the most part totally ignorant of other styles of vaping other than the chinomizer/Mc nugget tanks.....and the industry has conned them into believing that the more power they use , the more juice they suck down in each pull... the better the vape they get. It's just another bigger is better mentality..like the humvee,or the suv,
and the vendors just love it,because they sell 4 times the juice to them than they would to another style of vaping..So, they encourage this shit,they encourage bigger is better because they sell more shit..mor juice, more coilheads,more wire,ect.....it's not that this style of vaping is bad..it's that this style of vaping is being sold as the ONLY way or the BEST way,and not because it has any instrinsic worth,but because it is more profitable to the vendors. and people go along with the bullshit,because like every other aspect of life people follow the crowd because they want to be part of the crowd..and now days the newer vapers have little knowledge or curiosity about other styles of vaping.they have no experince they have a narrow band of experince.
I vape almost exclusevlly on gennys...I have tried all the diffrent styles of vaping(except for squonking...you guys need to come up with a cheaper squonk box that isn't made out of plastic)...and I'm curious to try new things. But I know what Zen is talking about.I go into most B&M and the majority of people there have never actually seen a genny, have no idea how it works,never owned one....and so the juice they are selling is all 0,3,6 mg...I have this discussion with DIYers..I believe juice recepies have to be tailored to the style of vaping...I gave up on commerical e-juice over a year ago,and started to DIY,because most e-juice was being tailored to younger vapers with less sophiticated tastes and all sucking on .2 coils.....
Zen is right....I just wish he built a better genny.
What is more..how do we protect vaping from being allowed to be used as a nicotine replacment therapy, and a valid medical treatment when we have a bunch of hippster twats just using vaping to accessorize their fashion staement...it's gone beyond that...look at this forum is a perfect example vaping used to be more varied more diverse, people had more experince with all forms of vaping ....but now 85% just want to get hooked up to the newest Mc Nugget tanks that will allow them to vape .15 ohms....and many of them don't even have a serious smoking addiction....for a smoker trying to get off cigarettes it looks like a fucking circus.....eventually the public at large will see vapers as trifeling ass fools and feel no sympathy for shutting down vaping altogether.I was watching Phil Busardo the other day and he went on a rant because when he goes to vape conventions he either has to call the vendor in advance and has them to bring 12mg eliquid or he just can not find it.
Those conventions were originally intended to convert smokers into vapers
Now they have chicks in thongs on stripper poles, a DJ playing house music, and a bunch of bearded overweight clowns running around blowing clouds of copyright infringing 3mg ejuice with cartoon labels.
If a husband and wife who were smoker in their mid 40's walked into one of these things no one would even bother to try to help them quit smoking.
They would probably turn around and walk right out.
Current smokers can not take direct lung hits at 50 watts in a crown tank with strawberry milkshake eliqiud nor do they want to.
Without the ability to convert new smokers how the fuck do you expect to grow your customer base? Teenagers?.
And that's why we are in this FDA mess.
Current smokers can not take direct lung hits at 50 watts in a crown tank with strawberry milkshake eliqiud nor do they want to.
It's because these dufus fucks are not trying to get off smoking they are trying to look cool blowing nar nar clouds.Worrying times..... In the UK it is the opposite way round. Higher strengh nic for ÂŁ1 is available at any ÂŁ1 store and these shops are everywhere. This is great for those who are converting from smoking as it is easily available and affordable. "Flavour chasers" dream they are not, but as said by others you don't want this when you are converting from smoking. I too stated on 12mg strengh seven years ago in my late 30's. I wanted my e liquid to taste as much like the taste of a cig as possible as that is what l was use to for 20 years.
Today new starters young and old are going to vape shops and leaving with sub ohm devices and nic levels between 3-6mg from the get go. This set-up is never going to fulfill most peoples nic requires without vaping high volumes of liquid. As a plausible consequence we are reading evidence of nic poisoning on this very forum from new vapers.
Owning a vape shop and selling appropriate gear to customers is a must. I would argue that the reason for a slump in high nic demand is because you are not selling the correct set-up to the right customer and you are not catering for existing customers. Not withstanding you are saying that there is no need for this strength of nic in the market. This clearly is not the case because those ÂŁ1 stores can't keep it in stock, so someone is vaping it! Additionally the post from others also support this notion.
Yes you have got to make a profit to stay in business, but this should not be at the expense of those you are assisting.
Today new starters young and old are going to vape shops and leaving with sub ohm devices and nic levels between 3-6mg from the get go. This set-up is never going to fulfill most peoples nic requires without vaping high volumes of liquid. As a plausible consequence we are reading evidence of nic poisoning on this very forum from new vapers.
I *did* spend the last 20 years (maybe more) smoking ultra-lights, and lights for 10 years before that. My last brand was Camel Turkish Silver, and before that it was Merit Ultra Lights for a very long time.I agree with the article, even though I couldn't start vaping regularly until I got some 6mg ejuice -- most smokers trying to make the switch to vaping DIDN'T spend the last 20 yrs smoking ultra-lights.
I *did* spend the last 20 years (maybe more) smoking ultra-lights, and lights for 10 years before that. My last brand was Camel Turkish Silver, and before that it was Merit Ultra Lights for a very long time.
I still needed 18 mg to get me off the cigs, and would occasionally take some drags of WholeCig's 24 mg WTA when I was jonesing. After a while, I tried dropping to 12 and found it unsatisfying. So I mixed my 12 with 18 to get 15 and that's where I've been ever since. Could I cut back the nic somewhat now? Probably. Do I want to? No -- I'm entirely comfortable with where I am. I'm very much a moderate power MTL vaper. I have zero desire to blow huge clouds. Why on god's green earth would I want to fog up a room and annoy all the non-vapers/non-smokers I live and work with?
People are different, but 6mg is not going to get most smokers off cigs, especially not if they're starting out on low-powered gear and aren't DL'ing the vape.
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Today new starters young and old are going to vape shops and leaving with sub ohm devices and nic levels between 3-6mg from the get go. This set-up is never going to fulfill most peoples nic requires without vaping high volumes of liquid. As a plausible consequence we are reading evidence of nic poisoning on this very forum from new vapers.<snip>
seems like the writer could just buy some nic to keep on hand to up his dosage at will,, saving his posting for something more impactive & needed in vapeland.As someone who started vaping with DSE atomizers and cartridges, then 510 cartomizers, I would have jumped at the chance to get an AIO or a Ego One. A Kanger Subtank and a 40 watt mod would have been light years ahead of where I started, with 36mg in DSE atomizers with either tea bags for filler material or blue fluval foam. Those things held perhaps 10 drops and had to frequently be refilled.
you forgot to add how wonderful the chinese juice was as well.....As someone who started vaping with DSE atomizers and cartridges, then 510 cartomizers, I would have jumped at the chance to get an AIO or a Ego One. A Kanger Subtank and a 40 watt mod would have been light years ahead of where I started, with 36mg in DSE atomizers with either tea bags for filler material or blue fluval foam. Those things held perhaps 10 drops and had to frequently be refilled.
I liked the blueberry, watermelon, greengage, and the green apple (after I sent them some jolly rancher green apple candies so theyd know what I wanted it to taste like). Kiwi wasn't too bad either.The Ry4 and watermelon were good. I liked the 555 tobacco, but the rest tasted like shit to me.
you forgot to add how wonderful the chinese juice was as well.....
Have you tried Hangsen juice? If so is it ok?if it wasn't made by the two major brands then it tasted like shit and was likely made at a sketchy facility with even sketchier ingredients.
but if you look online and see a Chinese brand like Hangsen they have pictures of their lab and that shit is either on par or blows away the finest American eliquid labs.
Have you tried Hangsen juice? If so is it ok?
Thank you. I can get both brands in the UK. Found them at a good price tooIt was decent when I used to get it a couple years back.
You will probably find some flavors that you like if you are in to a higher PG, more flavorful eliquid, and vape at lower watts with higher ohms.
When I was using the Itaste SVD or Vamo V2 with a Protank with a 2 ohm coil It was great at around 9 watts.
This will depend on the flavors and personal preference/taste just like American eliquid of course
If you are planning on ordering you may want to stick with something simple such as green apple or strawberry just so when you get it you will get an idea of how you react to the flavorings and PG/VG ratios.
I think fasttech has it at about half price of everywhere else.
Liqua eliquid is another very good brand of eliquid that makes a similar style of juice but with Italian flavorings
I liked liqua as well and they also make it in a lab that any American eliquid maker would dream of being in.
Thinking back when I got into vaping I started at 24MG and moved up when I went DIY to 32 for atleast 6 months.
lowered the Nicotine for most people in vaping just makes them blow larger clouds therefore use more juice it makes complete
sense now for an industry that has become just as EVIL as the one that we all want to believe we moved away from Big Tobacco. I surely know I have disconnected from the community as a whole due to the way the Vaping industry has manifested.
Happened to me also. Vaped at 9mg daily for 5 years with 2mls of 12 or 16mg strengh over 3days. When sold my sub ohm set up and 6mg juice 4 months ago. I now vape 48mg a day! Great for the juice makers!Thinking back when I got into vaping I started at 24MG and moved up when I went DIY to 32 for atleast 6 months.
lowered the Nicotine for most people in vaping just makes them blow larger clouds therefore use more juice it makes complete
sense now for an industry that has become just as EVIL as the one that we all want to believe we moved away from Big Tobacco. I surely know I have disconnected from the community as a whole due to the way the Vaping industry has manifested.
Hello. My point is the same as that of the author of the article; one size does not fit all. And it seems like that is the way the industry is going and is loosing site of what vaping was all about on the first place. A nicotine replacement device. High nic/high ohm on mtl "tank" did work for me. Also low nic/ low ohm DL tank also works for me. However the my nic intake as gone up from 9mg daily to 48mg daily. The only reason it is at 48mg daily is due to time, nic monitoring & cost. Sub ohming for me is so satisfyingly that l feel as though l could do it all day. I wasn't told any of these things when l purchased my device. As of Nov in the EU e liquid is to be sold in 10ml bottles only. So l have to get my nic back down, thus back to MTL for me.I find this all rather interesting, though, there seems to be a risk of overgeneralizing.
I used vaping to quit smoking, but as I have found, it has never really been about nicotine for me. I enjoy the activity, the "nic fix" is essentially a byproduct.
Because of that, I have rather quickly been moving down in my nic levels. High nic/high ohm just didn't do it for me. I was only able to fully quit smoking by going subohm, and I did that at 6mg. Before, I was using anywhere from 24-32mg and was vaping AND smoking. I intend to go to 0mg soon enough, as I'm also looking to eliminate nicotine from my life.
I think there are just too many personal facets for the market to swing too harshly in any direction. Likewise, it seems silly to split into sides like the "real" vapers versus the "poseurs" based on equipment preference.
That said, cloud comps might be about the dumbest thing I've witnessed in my life.
Hello. My point is the same as that of the author of the article; one size does not fit all. And it seems like that is the way the industry is going and is loosing site of what vaping was all about on the first place. A nicotine replacement device. High nic/high ohm on mtl "tank" did work for me. Also low nic/ low ohm DL tank also works for me. However the my nic intake as gone up from 9mg daily to 48mg daily. The only reason it is at 48mg daily is due to time, nic monitoring & cost. Sub ohming for me is so satisfyingly that l feel as though l could do it all day. I wasn't told any of these things when l purchased my device. As of Nov in the EU e liquid is to be sold in 10ml bottles only. So l have to get my nic back down, thus back to MTL for me.
I totally get it!
It just seems like things like this happen from both "sides" when there is a whole spectrum in between. The high ohm/high mg can look at subohm as the bane of the industry while the low ohm/low(no) mg might wonder "what's the point without massive cloudz, bro?" I've seen plenty of both for the years I have watched the industry.
When I finally jumped in feet first, I found my own preference was a mix. I vape low ohm/low mg but also tend towards low wattage and flavor (currently on a goblin mini v2 @ .7ohm @ 24w @ 3mg).
I think there is a very real danger in picking sides based on arbitrary and meaningless distinctions. I completely agree about one size NOT fitting all, which is why I look at vaping beyond just a nicotine replacement device. I'm also not interested in clouds, which seems to put me at odds with expectations.
If I had continued to operate under the premise of either "no nic cloudz" vs "high mg tootle puffers" I would have never quit smoking.
So, I agree its important for the market to address the whole spectrum, as well as us doing the same as consumers. I think it would also be prudent to perceive vaping as something bigger than just a nicotine delivery system or a cloud factory.
For me at least, it will eventually be neither one.