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Discussion in 'Coil Building' started by Darkstarvapor, Nov 5, 2017.

  1. Darkstarvapor

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    Need advice I put 22g five wrap quad coils in my vgod elite RDA and it sits atop the vgod elite mech mod. The building rates out at 0.062 ohms. Using a vtc five and wondering would any of you use this build yourselves? 20171101_030321_HDR.jpg
     
  2. MrMeowgi

    MrMeowgi The Vapin' Drummer Staff Member Senior Moderator VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 4 Years

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    .06 no I wouldn't but a lot will argue that. Just ME personally,I wouldn't

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    The Cromwell The Frugal Vapist VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 4 Years

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    I have NO plans to ever go below .1.
     
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    gopher_byrd Cranky Old Fart VU Donator Gold Contributor ECF Refugee Member For 5 Years

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    That's drawing 58.33 amps from a 20A cell figuring your cell would sag to at least 3.5 volts. That's 70A @ 4.2 volts. Hope you have good insurance...
    http://www.steam-engine.org/ohm.html
     
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    The Cromwell The Frugal Vapist VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 4 Years

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    Would probably drop to 3 volts or below at that current.
     
  6. Darkstarvapor

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    I know it's a crazy low build with ridiculous amp draw. I don't use this on my mech mod, the info I was searching for was what battery could I use that would handle this amp load. I don't think it can be done without using a stacked mod or using a mech box instead of a mech tube. I believe I would need to 18650 for this build. Lol not much insurance to risk it.
     
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    gopher_byrd Cranky Old Fart VU Donator Gold Contributor ECF Refugee Member For 5 Years

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    Triple cell parallel using LG HB6 30A. Don't even think of a stacked which is series. That would draw even more current.
     
  8. Darkstarvapor

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    Hey any suggestions on what would be the best(lowest) build I could get on my mech. Running a single 18650 vtc5. I use the vgod elite tube mech. I prefer to use 22g n80.
     
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    Vape tool. Get it[​IMG]

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    .18, lower and you are being fucktarded.

    There are orthodontists furiously masturbating over the future car/college/boat/house payment you are going to bring in for them.

    I fully expect to see you whining on the news about how ecigs are unsafe, missing more teeth than a methbilly.

    Have fun in the burn unit.
     
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    But in your forst post you state "it sits atop the vgod elite mech mod" So.... huh?
     
  12. Darkstarvapor

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    Sorry I should of clarified, that was for the pictures sake alone. Never fired those coils.
     
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    I would definitely use that build... if I had a death wish. :D :p
     
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    The drain time on a cell is actually more destructive to the cell then amperage draw. A .07 5x28g SS (4 Wraps/3mm ID) on a single cell takes about 2 seconds to fully ramp and vape. A 22g coil at .08 or .1 with 3-5 seconds of inhale is actually more work for the cell as its draining longer. On paper the resistance and amp draw seem inconceivable and scary, when in fact real time use and wear, other parasitic values step in and you will never get what you see on paper.

    The heat in the cell builds up over time and this is what deteriorates the internals and causes it to raise resistance internally (the cell).

    Coil mass should be accounted for before resistance. Multiple smaller cores at a lower resistance would be more effective and more efficient to vape then a single strand 16/18/20/22g coil.

    Dump the High Mass Single Wire Builds, use thinner and faster ramping smaller wires, just use multiples of them. The resistance will be a bit higher and it will perform much better, and be better for you and your cells.

    Sorry, every time I see a wire that thick I feel I should say something...possibly saving your cells life expectancy and vape time.
    Try 5x28g SS (4 Wraps/3mm ID @ .07 Ohms) or use N80 for .09 Ohms and get a similar vape and longer run times.

    An excerpt from a previous thread:
    (we were discussing 20700 cells output but 18650's like the VTC5a have similar output as the Ijoy 20700. I would run atleast 20-25a Continuous Discharge Cells when using builds like these.)

    The way people still look at resistance and battery safety shocks me...I dont look at resistance anymore, I look at Cell heat and Coil Mass more then anything.

    Mooch himself uses 80 Degrees Celsius to rate the CONTINUOUS Discharge of cells, 80C is just under the temp of BOILING WATER....too hot too touch! So if your not pushing the cell to a temp that its too hot to touch then your not even pushing its CD Rating...I vape tube mods with VTC5a cells topped with .07-.09 Ohm builds, all day every day and have for well over a year and I dont recall any point where a cell was anywhere near "too hot!"....they have gotten pretty warm, but not boiling water hot....but we also dont vape using cells at Continuous Discharge...we are more into their pulse ratings and voltage drop per time used...Continuous Discharge is more like a beginners guideline to safely stay in boundaries but they are not the absolute limit for how we vape.

    On another Note...think of it this way for builds...

    A .1 Ohm or even a .2 Ohm build that takes 2-3 seconds to ramp up before vaping fully on a mech is harder on a cell then a .06 ohm build that needs less then a half a second to ramp up.
    You may not be draining as many amps from the cell but the period of time is much greater on the higher resistance build. Time vs Drain is more important then Resistance/Amp pull because your not going to draw on that .06 build for more then 2 seconds, if that.

    Something that has multiple thinner cores with lower resistance that lights up/cools down instantly will always be easier on a cell then a thick ass high resistance build that takes its time to warm up and then time to cool down.

    I know Im a leading jackass on the forum and "Im crazy for vaping what I do" but I also know the risks. I completely understand what Im doing and I do keep a great record of what cells Im using for what Im using them for and I can tell you that the cells I use in Tube mods for my .07 daily bangers dont show any more diminished capacity versus the batteries in my regulated mods that fire my wife's .4 ohm RTA builds...All the cells Im still testing are atleast over a year old and the capacity of them has evenly diminished around 15%. (Yes Im trusted enough to test cells at my own risk)

    To conclude, 2 x 20700 cells that have 30a CD rating shouldnt hiccup at a .07 drain for a few second over a period of time, especially with how quick and hot they get the build for you...they barely get warmer then room temp even after a full day pushing that build (8-12 hours of battery life at that resistance)...I wouldnt hesitate to use the same build on a single 20700 since I already do with VTC4/VTC5a cells....but what do I know, Im just a coil geek, boundary pushing, product beating wind bag....experiment at your own risk but dont feel terrified to go a bit over the safety restraints now and again!
     
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