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Hmm, after re-reading the rules of the forum, and yes there are some, can I get some advice from a moderator - is it ok to state that another Verified Member looks like a pedophile? I am sure I cannot but would like an official statement please. Thank you.
 

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In one of the other non-hate threads, the OP (me) made an error that needed a mod to change it. Mostly that's why they're here.
Haters are little people with a mind so small they can't bear to see other people having fun. "ie" pulling wheelies on the freeway. My theory is they exist to make our life Hell. They are usually brain washed & drive cars with lights on top. Some spend substantial time in boxes known as "cubicles". Also know to hold their breath in a vain attempt to get their way. My recommendation is to give them free tickets to cruise ships that break down.
 

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I would be lowering my standards to make fun of a lesser forum. Their members are still welcome here from what I know. I might just do it anyway.
 

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i am not in favor of anarchy or anything, but i must admit it's refreshing to see moderators cursing like the rest of us heathens. no ivory towers here....nopers.
 

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15 minutes until the showdown
 

zbannerman

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I hope Joe doesn't make a complete tit of himself. I fear with language like "chopping block" and "destroy" that he is destined to do so.
 

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Fda reg talking now… interesting..
 

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Bad person 101. How can I take the most money from people that are not smart enough to stop me. Run for public office. If they like it, we must to put a stop to it. We are smarter than they are, we will tell them how to live. Sound familiar? Punch them in the balls. or bend over and take it. Our choice. Vape is for smart people.
 

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Vapor Joe and his moderators have set the tone for his forum. The educational and vapor related content is overshadowed by the hate and discourse that they have molded into the fabric of their forum. This quickly became a vindictive, hate driven, and mob- mentality- driven forum.

I know I'll be flamed for my comments but that is what I see here. The negative publicity about this forum is spreading throughout the vaping community.

No flaming, but a serious o_O because I am not sure that we are on the same forum. Your statements IMO, are so grossly exaggerated that I can't really take them seriously.

I have observed some frustrated members express their feelings regarding their experiences, but I have not observed the psycho obsessive, mob mentality of which you speak. Your post is really no better than the so called "tone" that you speak of, and you yourself sound very much caught up in a drama of your own making.

I have read more purely vape related threads, and posts on this forum, than I have ECF related topic matter.
 

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No flaming, but a serious o_O because I am not sure that we are on the same forum. Your statements IMO, are so grossly exaggerated that I can't really take them seriously.

I have observed some frustrated members express their feelings regarding their experiences, but I have not observed the psycho obsessive, mob mentality of which you speak. Your post is really no better than the so called "tone" that you speak of, and you yourself sound very much caught up in a drama of your own making.

I have read more purely vape related threads, and posts on this forum, than I have ECF related topic matter.
We have the right to be heard. Someone could say I am Queer. Another one. Orange. I listen to things I know are right in my brain, dis guard that that does not. I read the post and possess it. Keep or Loose, My choice.
 

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I hope Joe doesn't make a complete tit of himself. I fear with language like "chopping block" and "destroy" that he is destined to do so.

Well, seeing as how you have already made a tit of yourself, if Joe makes a tit of himself, then we may very well end up with a complete set of boobs to play with tonight, lol. :D

Have fun trolling, and doing your best to provoke the members here into engaging you, and your ass crackish attitude :rolleyes:
 

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Hmm, after re-reading the rules of the forum, and yes there are some, can I get some advice from a moderator - is it ok to state that another Verified Member looks like a pedophile? I am sure I cannot but would like an official statement please. Thank you.
I'm not a mod, but i would think that it would be simultaneously allowed and frowned deeply upon. There's really no place or use for ad hominem attacks unless the person saying it just wants to come off as a douche and be ostracized by the community for it.
 

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good point jeremy. And just in case you were worried I didn't mean you ok. Seems Nikki didn't read the belittling rule of this forum eh hehe, flame on Nikki
 

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OOh, The thing they heard, was in no way what they would believe. If I tell them either way, some would not believe me. Others think I care to much. Could I be right on both sides? It's called a Forum, a place for opinions, ideas, Fowl language. Government. We want Your Money. People are quitting Analogs. Loss of Revenue. My Benz is low on gas. Too bad Senator. Push it, we have. .
 

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good point jeremy. And just in case you were worried I didn't mean you ok. Seems Nikki didn't read the belittling rule of this forum eh hehe, flame on Nikki
No, it's cool.

It just seems like some of us are all ready and just craving a fight, which is just not even necessary. Let's all just flock over here and hang out and be cool with one another. Some day maybe another forum will come along and be even better. Who really cares? As long as we can all discuss things in one place, and hopefully that place will be a little freer of arbitrary restrictions than ECF was. For now, it's here. So let's be together and be stronger. We're all on the same side here.
 

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I totally agree Jerry. You express a little bit of sanity in a world gone mad. This so-called community is too fractured, and aggressive stances against other fora wont get anyone anywhere.
 

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It's a Moot point. Some like the other place, some don't. Like scratching your ass. You do, or you don't. Don't visit there often. I find their Members to be First Class. My attitude on life is different. I enjoy knowledge where I can get it. I chose a side, or place I would rather be. I am Biker/Trucker. My life is Bolder than some. I choose Here.
 

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you are a top bloke in my book Saddle, although I would take you to task with the ass scratching though, surely we all do hehe, some more visible than others!
 

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I totally agree Jerry. You express a little bit of sanity in a world gone mad. This so-called community is too fractured, and aggressive stances against other fora wont get anyone anywhere.
I see this current rift as a result of two things:
  1. ECF being way too strict regarding what can and cannot be discussed (either openly or via PM). I doubt i even need to elaborate on this point. We've all been there or seen something weird on that front.
  2. A general feeling among some that VJ has gotten a little egomaniacal and that there's a tendency toward saber-rattling in the air. (That's the vibe i'm getting from the handful of people we've seen who appear to come here just to voice their immediate disgust with a sort of sub-community of vapers which has only been around a scant couple of weeks.) I'll admit i sometimes wonder if VJ has let his exalted status in the community go to his head, but i think ultimately it remains to be seen if he's ever actually got it in him to turn into an iron-fisted despot (compared to what? ECF??!); and anyway the same charge would be lobbed at literally anyone (who happened to have their own mob, heheh) who took it upon themselves to start up a new forum just to get us all a better place to hang out without things getting all Stalinesque or Big Brothery. I don't know the guy, but i suspect he's probably a pretty good cat who's just had enough of ECF.
There also seems to be a contingent of people who just don't like the fact that VJ is clearly ok with clones (meh, whatever) and uses affiliate links (probably mostly just to pay for the enormous bandwidth he's found himself (ok his sites' visitors) consuming). Although i wonder who hasn't bought something because of an amazing deal that he turned them onto.
 
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I think he is just passionate about what he is doing and ECF pissed him off… Maybe even hurt his feelings a little.. Maybe.. Don't know the guy so I can't say.

Just my take…

Also I am a bury the hatchet kinda guy… I just bury it into skulls or whatever body part of my enemy is closest at the time… But that's me.. LOL!!!
Did ya catch the humor?? Did ya?? Huh Huh?? LOL!!!
 
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yes Jeremy, he does seem fixated on the thing that he hates, but I guess thats natural eh. It does show weakness in my opinion, for what that is worth eh haha. He could drop the 'head honcho' moniker, which would make him seem a tad more humble, but thats not going to happen so we will all get along swimmingly just the same yeah.
 
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I don't do anything I am not sure of. Yea, Joe makes some coin. I back him. I am poor, but in the place I can support what this Man does. I understand. I could Mod if asked. BUT I would want a free ATTY a week. It's a Bitch being poor.
 

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yes Jeremy, he does seem fixated on the thing that he hates, but I guess thats natural eh. It does show weakness in my opinion, for what that is worth eh haha. He could drop the 'head honcho' moniker, which would make him seem a tad more humble, but thats not going to happen so we will all get along swimmingly just the same yeah.
This too shall pass. Things got personal. He happened to be the person. Can't blame him for being miffed. But he'll rise above it i'm sure. Just maybe not this summer haha!
 

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Bladder was too full. Brain shorted out. Were wear Where, were we? 18 G copper line from an old battery to a step down transformer. Mal Function, Reset, Reset, Over ride. 50 ohms..... System will be online in 8 Hours. Bless You All.
 

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yep Jezza, I guess he never read the rule entry about 'being an adult' eh hehe. oh well, life goes on, haters will be haters afterall. Also, go get some rest Saddle
 

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ECF will not be getting another dime from me, I just canceled my subscription, too bad I cant get this years back
 

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What I see is a different side. All that sabre rattling is Joe drumming up free publicity to drive more users and more site traffic thru his affiliate links. Really the whole thing with ECF is an online marketing goldmine. If I was in his shoes Id make a ton of noise and trumpet it as far and wide as possible for as long as possible.

There's no such thing as bad publicity.

Whether he's painted as the bad guy or the good guy really doesnt matter at all. Does he use affiliate links and make money off it? Hell yes, and he should. He's also had full disclosure about it forever, which is what a reaponsible marketer does when he has a following.

In the end all this hullabaloo is driving traffic and new users to VU and giving the advertisers what they have paid for.... targeted traffic from serious vapers WHO BUY EXACTLY what they sell. It doesnt matter if they like Joe or not. It doesnt matter if they like ECF, or VU, or Supercalifragilisticexpaladocious.... It all ends up in the bank.

Now that being said, Ive never met Joe, but do I think Joe has a genuine interest in helping vapers and also providing good info to the community. Sure... you can do that and make money and still be a good guy.
 

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To the people who don't get the hating on ECF thing....and are blaming Joe. Let me make this perfectly clear....the VAST majority of vapers who have beeen around for a while, greatly dislike ECF. We just never had a forum to compete with ECF, which is why all of dealt with it individually. This is the first time we can all come together and express our disgust with how ECF is run....and we are OVER-JOYED with the fact that we finally have a home.

This didn't start with Joe....in fact, vapers have been disgruntled with ECF long before most of us knew about Joe's blog. ECF really is a forum run by nazis...and the ONLY reason many of us stayed is because of the huge volume of traffic and large member database. Whether we liked it or not, ECF had a monopoly on the e-cig forums, nothing else compared/competed.

If you don't believe me, next time you are in a brick and mortar vape shop, ask a few people what they think about ECF. Most will freely discuss just how much the mods are nazis....and why they dislike ECF. Hell, the few threads on this forum are a testament to the many people who have been disrespected by the mods on ECF.

Me personally, nothing terrible ever happened to me there....but I did have posts edited by mods, threads removed....and EVERY single time it happened, I never violated any forum policy. I don't want to spend my time on a community run by nazis. I mean come on, I had a thread deleted for talking about VOOPING for crying out loud. I was told vooping is immature, dirty humor, and won't be tolerated. Yes, I got *scolded* like a 5 year old child for using the word vooping.....If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know about ECF right then and there....well....

Another time, back when I was helping the community with the vast amount of credit card fraud going on...one of the mods created a webpage with a list of questions that could possibly help us narrow down the source of the CC fraud....so I linked to the page in my signature. I had a mod remove it, and WARN me, yes WARN me that if I ever linked to that site again, I would be banned. Of course, I had to explain to the idiot that it was a mod higher up than himself who CREATED the page, and was happy that I liked to it. Did I get so much as an apology? Nope.

So again, I just want to help people understand that the animosity towards ECF has little to nothing to do with VaporJoe. All he did was provide the awesome community, with a forum that could potentially rival ECF, effectively giving those of us who cherish our voices and believe that we, as adults, are fully capable of moderating ourselves 90% of time, and don't need mods telling us which words, such as "voop" are inapriopriate for us to say or see others say.
 

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What I see is a different side. All that sabre rattling is Joe drumming up free publicity to drive more users and more site traffic thru his affiliate links. Really the whole thing with ECF is an online marketing goldmine. If I was in his shoes Id make a ton of noise and trumpet it as far and wide as possible for as long as possible.

There's no such thing as bad publicity.

Whether he's painted as the bad guy or the good guy really doesnt matter at all. Does he use affiliate links and make money off it? Hell yes, and he should. He's also had full disclosure about it forever, which is what a reaponsible marketer does when he has a following.

In the end all this hullabaloo is driving traffic and new users to VU and giving the advertisers what they have paid for.... targeted traffic from serious vapers WHO BUY EXACTLY what they sell. It doesnt matter if they like Joe or not. It doesnt matter if they like ECF, or VU, or Supercalifragilisticexpaladocious.... It all ends up in the bank.

Now that being said, Ive never met Joe, but do I think Joe has a genuine interest in helping vapers and also providing good info to the community. Sure... you can do that and make money and still be a good guy.
Let's see. K, Joe provides a free link to great Vape deals. Joe provides a forum so we can share our Ideas & opinions. Just like Vaping. Can't find a thing wrong with it.
 

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I mean come on, I had a thread deleted for talking about VOOPING for crying out loud. I was told vooping is immature, dirty humor, and won't be tolerated. Yes, I got *scolded* like a 5 year old child for using the word vooping.....
Please don't ever tell me what "vooping" is. I am fragile and my worldview is delicately predicated on living a sheer pretense of upper class, high brow, and low risk lifestyle.
 

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Can't say yes. I had a 69 GTO. Has two scoops, just like Rasin Bran, & a nasty temper. :cool: Hurst 4 speed didn't hurt either.
 
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There's rubber under there, rubber everywhere!..... I love my GTO! Oh, I don't know just why, it just likes to fly. (Ripped without mercy from an old Cowsills song) I would do it again if I need too.
 

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Suddenly the Cops broke thru, the smoke, I hit third and was gone, But I knew, it had made me happy, happy,happy.Tire smoke in my hair, tire smoke everywhere! Rotfl
 

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All jokes aside. The only smoke I can't quit, has gasoline motors attached to it. Cigarette smoke is for 1D 1 o2 iTs.
Write it down & look at it. You will see, like Me.
 
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Arr Captain, ECF off the port bow. Steady Mr. ATA Boy..... Mr. Vape, put the 26650's on line please. Give them one short blast of Hazelnuts W old socks please. AYE Captain. Captain, it worked! Their puking in their Kids sippy cups.
They will think twice before they smoke, smoke, around us, Arr. LOL
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You know I eat a lot of gas, You know I take a lot of skills, I go in a straight line, if you don't I can kill. Damn the 4 speed, I Say Damn the 4 speed. The dealer tells you lots of sweet dreams, But I can put hurt on your body, leave your life to scream.
If some of our members can make $ off these lyrics, Do it. I'm just rockin'. I said damn the Mustang.
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Is this uploaded in podcast format? I'd like to give it a listen.

On to the topic, in general I really dislike the whole "us vs ECF" mentality. I use to frequent vapersforum way back in the day and there was so much of that. Same sort of thing happened. They banned a lot of members, blacklisted names, and in general opened up needless "drama".

Is ECF perfect? Heck no. Personally I think they are very hypocritical, especially on things relating to clones vs authentics. They will ban a member for posting a "counterfeit" yet while you're reading that ban there is a Fasttech affiliate banner next to you. Mods need to scale back a bit there. If you bark up wrong tree, you get struck hard.

On the other hand ECF is the community "front" for vaping. It's the largest (has been for a very long while). I would say a very high percentage of new vapers arrive there before anywhere else. There's also a ton of awesome info. Will they change? Probably not. But at the same time, it's silly to be "at war" against a forum. No matter the facts, VU will be the next "Snake pit".



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It's a sudo war. Vaping saves lives. I choose the freedom to be here. Don't bring a sack lunch to a pic nic. Vaping has saved more lives than Medicine over a short time frame. Smoking is gone, Vaping is the way to save yourself. Way it is.
 

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I still miss, ES&D. A quaint little thing. Oh goody, I am being hacked. Lets go asshole N. Korea. need more than a Commodore C 64 Rice Head. Tell your Boy we would love to party with him. We will even let him hold the grenade. I will go look for another pin. 27 servers, got to do better than that.
 
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