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  1. Jason Smith

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    What will happen for vaping industry?
     
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    :coffee2::headbang::kickbutt::crazy:Great question :sarcasm: any number of things can happen. It depends on the powers that be and how they choose to deal with all things vaping. We just have to wait and see, while we prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
     
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    Well I live in China, home of the vape industry and I tell that it's growing and expanding (in a way) but not in a way u expect it.

    Pods are the current lead in vaping and it's pretty take over the industry. Last year SZ trade show there companies were still showing tanks and mods and juice as a norm. But after only one year it pretty much became a pod trade show with pretty much everyone showcasing pods.

    Relex is the biggest leader in pods and pretty much everyone these has one if they pod vape. They are the Juul of China and I bet u there is no fucking way Juul will ever succeed here in China. Relex is also the most expensive pod out there right now and it still cost less then a Juul. (There most expensive mod is still cheaper then a Juul)

    I have seen vape shops turn in to relex pod shops, I have seen vapers that use mech mods convert to using pods. I have even seen ppl that don't even smoke menthol cigarette/light cigarettes start using pods, and yes they have tried vaping before and they have said that they feel nothing when they vape. (Before pods came out)

    If u say e-cig in mandarin, it's most definitely means pod and mostly someone's gonna say relex when u talk about e-cig. That's how big pods are here in China.

    I don't work for relex nor do I own any of there devices or a fan. But here in China they are just way to big that relex equals pods and vaping. Thats how big they have been.

    Unlike else where in the world, China is letting the vape industry run free but on a leash were they can't really see but they can feel that it's there. Why would I ruin a perfectly good way to make money for myself. Right? All that crap the FDA care about isn't even a problem here in China cuz we have way too many ppl in this country. If your unhealthy then good, cuz it means we can make money off of u being unhealthy. (Taxes cigarette industry and also hospitals and shit like that when your sick) It's a chain cycle and vaping is the same cuz they pretty much tax those companies in.

    What's amazing is the amount of ppl committed to quitting smoke with vape. I'm gonna tell u that I have only met 2 here in China at this moment. Most ppl vape now cuz of flavor and it gives them a chance to smoke indoors without being notices. Pretty much cigarette and vaping going hand to hand. This is why I said that China is fill with enthusiasts cuz most ppl vape for the pleasure of vaping, not quitting smoking.

    This is China, one of fast growing countries out there. (I'm not sure about but it does feel like it)

    FYI we already have 5G made smartphones already and network speed is pretty fast. (But that pretty much, nothing really special about it)
     
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    have you heard anything about no online sales ?
     
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    That was a very informative and thorough answer-post. It interesting imo to view situations simular and relevent from a different cultural perspective. Very interesting.
     
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    Don't know if that's supposed to be effective today, or not, but I placed a cheapie order for orings and glass at FT. No issues so far. Got a confirmation email from FT and a receipt email from Paypal.
     
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    Crom said it was online sales "to" china. meaning, we are ok. so far anyway. i was just wondering if RB heard anything about it. as he haas saidd "everybody orders everything".
     
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    Great insight. I hope you keep posting here about vaping in China, thanks.
     
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    Yep but apparently FT is no longer taking CC's for vape purchases.
    Just Pay Pal.
    They took my credit card a couple of months ago and always did in years past.
     
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    just cuz someone asked, I'm gonna place an order online in China just to see what it's like right now. I did it a few back and I fucked myself over cuz asshole was selling fake e juice. Like seriously the part that pissed the crap out of me was the fact that fake e juice seem over priced for me. It was 1/3 cheaper then the real thing, but seriously doesn't seem so that way. (It should been worth $20 rmb)

    I don't mind buying fake shit in China as long as I like what I buy. But I can't stand buying over priced fake shit period.

    Now just to be clear when I mean online I mean like online store, not a physical store where u can go back and complain physically.

    I will create another topic on taobao later on.

    Things I forgot to mention.

    Since China doesn't care about your health as its a way to make money, other parts of the world do. FDA is full of shit we all know it and China doesn't really give a shit about the FDA. Yeah I'm willing to change a bit just don't completely change then we cool. My market is growing/expanding right now, don't think I have time to deal with u right now.

    U know what the biggest problem is? And why China is so successful? Cuz ppl in China got the mentally that vaping and smoking goes hand in hand. Vaping is just another way to smoke........when I can't smoke my cigarettes. I'm still gonna buy cigarettes and smoke them hardcore but a pod gives me a way to smoke in the mall in indiscreet. Plus with pods under $50 usd or so, why the fuck not right.

    This is something the rest of the world doesn't see nor is it there objective. Hey IT FUCKING WORK, both parties are happy and China can taxes them both so why not.

    Unlike the rest of the world back then industry in China seem like it was going downhill cuz no one was willing to shell out $100 usd for something that might break. Pods popped up, it was inexpensive and life time guarantee, so then everyone went nuts.

    Now let's talk about the rest of the world.

    How make ppl actually smoke in your country? I remember my dad told me why Marlboro started making charcoal filter cigarettes. Cuz market in Japan was huge, the ppl smoking in Japan back then in the 80s pretty equivalent to half of USA. That's a pretty big market.

    But today it's different, how many ppl smoke. Maybe 3 out of 10 ppl I guess. (I duno the numbers for North America now but 10 years ago it was like maybe 3 out of 10)

    Also mentally is something the rest of he world doesn't see. Vaping is for helping ppl quit smoking, over here we say it too but chances are it won't sink it cuz most of us just see another inexpensive way to smoke

    These are just thought and my opinion, it's what I see and gather.
     
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    Just for shits and giggles, why don't you order something from Fasttech. Many of us want to see how long it takes to arrive.
     
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    not to long they throw shit around like crazy over there.
     
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    I can't cuz they don't ship to China. They don't do domestic sales.

    Taobao is pretty where it's at, I believe they ship to USA now, all u have to do is find the right vendor that does it

    Just for fun copy and paste 电子烟 on to the taobao website and see what u get. I'm not sure about outside of China but there will be shit loads of ppl selling all kinds of things, even ego-t and pax. (If u type it in)

    Just be careful cuz there are lots of fakes, just don't over pay for fakes lol
     
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    I didn't get too far, it wanted me to log-in.
     
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    Taobao owned by alibaba. So doubt we could order vapes from there
     
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    So load your credit card info into PayPal and use it. AFAIK they don't charge any extra fee. I do it all the time when I don't want it coming out of our checking account.
     
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    i'm pretty sure if its a store, no fee.
     
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    Make an account it's free, not sure if they let u ship to the USA. I have had ppl buy cheap car accessories from them and ship to USA to pick it up.
     
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    Ohh I did that. Have had a paypal acct for years.
     
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    I have a taobao account already :)
     
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    BREAKING NEWS. jack ma decided to pull all vape products off his taobao market place as of today in November 7th in Beijing time. There are still vape products on taobao but when u type in the words 电子烟, nothing comes up.

    Also relex, China's largest pod company has also pull all of its products off the internet. Which means u can only order it through a store. Like u msg the guy at the store and they ship it to u, that's the only way u can order it online.

    No notice, no heads up. This is China.

    Pssshhhh FDA is weak compared to China.
     
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    The fda has not gotten started, but at least they continue to give a heads up.. those that are smart will be able to continue for a while.. but once all of the supplies are gone... what then?
     
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    nic, thats the only thing. if you don't have enough, get it now.
     
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    And Hardware is likely to be an issue by next May.
     
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    buying new, yes. the used market will be FLOODED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    And where will they be sold to the masses?

    I personally have no vape stuff that I want to sell.
    I have either piffed or tossed all my vape stuff that I would let go of.
    Might have 10 assorted clone RDA's? Otherwise it is my Vape Apocalypse stash.

    and used stuff that require factory coils?
     
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    masses, from the start, not so much. mostly word of mouth local, some on places like this. facebook friends. i do see some stuff on ebay, even now. the thing about doing it this way, the stuff will be cheap. as time by, there will be other avenues that will open up.

    i have nothing to sell either, well ,maybe one thing. but not worth the trouble.

    factory coils and tanks. i think it possible that coils will be sold as "heating elements" and/or some such.
     
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    Im actually tapering my nic down and eventually nic free.. Im at 3mg now.. and bouncing on zero.. :)



    Ebay is out.. they have banned vape gear and juice..
     
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    i am also.

    yeah, all vape gear is off ebay.
    https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=asmodus&_sop=12
     
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    eBay, cl, Ali they all banned vape gear
     
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    There will be no new vapers, if they can not get their nic and equipment..
    so those mod makers in hiding.. I sure hope you all are busy building.. :)

    Actually I am hopping it wont be so bad.. but one never knows...
     
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    We are all hoping that it won't be so bad. But unless current govt plans change a lot it will be.
     
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    I havent seen anything said.. not the Rally or anything official.. but I am looking for it to come soon.
     
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    Trump is supposed to say something this week, i think it is.
     
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    He said the papers were coming out this week.
    Now he says they are still holding meetings?

    Frustrating, will just have to wait and see.
     
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    i haven't seen an update. this could be good'er or not so good'er.
     
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    yeah I am not counting on Tweets or off the cuff comments and will wait to see what happens.
     
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    ordered from FT 11/3.They say shipped 11/8, still floating around Shenzhen....My mail will see more of china then I ever will. :giggle:
     
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    Actually u picked the wrong time to buy shit from China. 11.11 aka November 11 is the one the largest shopping days ever here in China. It’s like the Black Friday/Boxing Day of NA.

    Most of the shipping companies deals with around 10 thousand packages a day, but after November 11 during that week it’s around 200 thousand packages a day. And that’s just domestic.

    Your international shipping will take even longer this month. I know cuz they hired part time worker every year during this time. I was there for a day doing part time, 15hr work schedule and I got off at 3am with no idea how to get home cuz I was in the middle of no where lol.
     
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    so, did ya get it ? i got one that i ordered on the 6th. and i have another ordered after that, that just showed up here in town.
     
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    It arrived about 5 days later, Now I have enough glass to keep my Unitys going till at least 2030....
     
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    This is why, as understandable on one level as it was, I say it was a mistake to frame vaping strictly as a smoking cessation method in the United States. I was vaping a couple months before I even found out vaping had anything directly to do with smoking cessation. I just enjoyed it.

    Framing it as strictly, or even primarily as practically a medical apparatus to get people off cigarettes was tantamount to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. A declaration of war upon a superior power. Now we can say with Hirohito: "We've awakened a sleeping tiger." Only this tiger wasn't actually sleeping. The claws and fangs of our greedy, power mongering government overlords have been readily visible for quite a while. Now we've invited them to turn them on us.
     
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    I am still curious as to the ratio of vapers that vape primarially to stay off of cigs vs the recreational vapers vs the illicit substance vapers.
    From reading that article about the 22 yr old that almost died from vaping THC, I determined that he viewed vaping as just for THC...
     
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    How would you phrase the questions? Suggestions from others are welcome too.

    EDIT: I think this is information well worth having BTW.
     
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    maybe.
    1. Are you an ex smoker who used vaping to quit smoking?
    2. Are you a never smoker who vapes nic juice?
    3. Are you a vaper who only vapes MJ products?
     
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    Here's what I had, but like I say, I'm looking for input.
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    What is the main reason you vape? (Electronic Cigarettes) This poll will be meaningless unless participants are completely honest.

    1. To stay off of tobacco or I wouldn't do it.
    2. Because I enjoy it whether I was a previous tobacco user or not.
    3. I vape for the THC. To get a buzz.
    ===============================

    There are subcategories though too. Like people who started vaping to get off cigarettes, but now like it enough in it's own right to keep doing it. And hobbyists like myself who enjoy playing with the equipment as much as they do vaping itself. For instance.

    I think the less options the better though.
     
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    1 often becomes 2...
    Was my path.
     
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    I bet that's most people on this particular forum.

    ==========================
    What is the main reason you vape? (Electronic Cigarettes) This poll will be meaningless unless participants are completely honest.

    1. To stay off of tobacco or I wouldn't do it.
    2. Because I have come to enjoy it more than I enjoyed tobacco.
    3. Because I enjoy it though I never was a regular tobacco user.
    4. I vape THC. To get a buzz.
    ===============================

    What about that?
     
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