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  1. VaporJoe

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    Good Afternoon.

    Saveurvape run by Lonnie Bozemen is coming into the Vaporjoes Network.

    This includes the following lines:

    The Standard
    SVRF
    MET4
    The Originals
    The Standard 100
    The Classic SVRF

    Lots more coming out about this over the coming weeks.

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    CBD is coming to Vaping Underground.

    CBD Sub forums will be opening up here shortly. Statically most of you have tried or use CBD. Over 70% of vapers have tried or use CBD.

    I am coming at CBD from a pain management side. Because I personally use it for pretty crazy nerve pain. This will includes ALL forms of CBD. We will not be discussing anything that involves THC.

    Things we will include anything HEMP based.

    The Network is looking into a recipe that is exactly what im currently using for nerve pain in my leg.

    The CBD Market can look very much like the THC market but its not the same thing.
    CBD you can buy on amazon - THC you can't.








     
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  2. susieqz

    susieqz Silver Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    cdb works well for nerve pain, doesn't it?

    oddly, little effect on back pain.
     
  3. MyMagicMist

    MyMagicMist Platinum Contributor Member For 3 Years ECF Refugee

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    Granted yes, possibly 70% have tried it. Probably about 35% tried and will not use it again due to cost constraints. That brings your number down to 35% realistically.

    CBD costs too much to continue using long term for pain management. The lowest price I've found is $25 at 30 ml. If I vape CBD on its own, which I need to for any effect to happen, 30 ml would not last me a week. I cannot afford $100 month or more for pain management.

    Instead I'll use Baroque music, meditation, CBT (Cognitive Behavior Training), self message, hot showers to help eliminate stress. Stress is one of the biggest vectors of pain. What I'm suggesting as "therapy" for "pain management" is also relatively free of cost.

    Please understand I'm not trying to discount CDB. I've just found different alternatives. I'm sure others could as well.
     
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    susieqz Silver Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    it's true that cbd is insanely expensive.
    but it allows me to reduce narcotics by 40%.
    $100/month is worth it, for me.
    i spend $400/4months
    the trick is to buy lots at once to make it affordable.
    i get the wholesale price at palmatto harmony.
    if i bot 1 month at a time, it would cost $500 instead of $400.

    meditation would never reduce my need for heavy pain killers.
     
  5. lordmage

    lordmage Senior Moderator Staff Member Senior Moderator VU Donator Gold Contributor ECF Refugee Member For 5 Years

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    I believe Joe is talking about using ingestible CBD on top of other CBB i however am in the cost camp. if cost is to high for long term use i would avoid it as well. lets say for conversation sake if the choice is a bottle of nic that could last me 3 weeks or something CBD that would be gone in 3 days im going for the Nic.
     
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    The Cromwell The Frugal Vapist VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 4 Years

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    Cost, tastes horrible and does nothing for me.
    But it seems to work for some so have at it.
     
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    The Golden Ticket by MET4 is great.
    I'm one of those people who would have never even considered trying to vape a chocolate milk flavor until I won a bottle.
    It kind of tastes like chocolate drink powder.
     
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  8. VaporJoe

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    Thats because your vaping it. Most vaping solutions are made with pure CBD Isoloate. That's the worst way to get the pain management you need. If you are dealing with serious pain you need WHOLE PLANT CBD. That is all the cannabinoids with the the legal .3% THC Its 1/3 of 1%. Which is zero psychoactive. What they are doing is breading plants that use HEMP and THC but use grow it in a way that has almost no THC in it. It fractional amount of THC kicks off the entire spectrum and its a completely new ball game. Whole Plant is not expensive at all.
     
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    CBD ISNT EXPENSIVE! YOUR JUST DOING IT WRONG :)
     
  10. VaporJoe

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    https://tryplainjane.com/
    https://blacktiecbd.net/
    the list goes on ill be posting deals on Vaporjoes.
    Stop thinking of CBD in terms of vaping. Yes you can vape it but its probably the least effective way

    You will find 1000MCBD in whole plant form works FAR better then vaping it.

    I use the edibles, the oil (under the tongue) and I buy flower and make butter out of it. Works fantastic!
     
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    it's pretty easy to make.
    All you need to do is look up how to make canna butter but use hemp flower instead of the other.
    Also for those who prefer oil for cooking you can look up how to make canna oil.

    I use olive oil for my editables but i'm by far not a pro.
    It would be very nice to have a CBD edibles subforum where I could learn how to up my game;)
     
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    what stops me the most beside cost are the multitude strains and options for Tinctures and what not.
    just as an example of what i would not get for price at 74 for a 30 ml https://blacktiecbd.net/collections...m-tincture-citrus-haze?variant=29485902430319

    then you just get information and option over load https://tryplainjane.com/hemp-flower/
    of course some of them read like it is not Legal CBD rather the other stuff.

    then most shippers dont at least cover accidental seizures, stolen, lost orders by intent in how they ship it.
    so for a product that cost as much if not more then my ejuice i tend to just avoid for safety of my wallet and until my local state every gets there medical game going better i dont suspect local options to even be affordable
     
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    Agree w/ Joe... vaping it seems like a really bad idea.
     
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    Right so instead buy an eighth, eh? Then run the risk of dealing with law enforcement "Some guy Joe on the vape form said it was all good." Besides that, doesn't that like counter the rules set forth here? Granted it might be low THC but I do believe if it looks like, walks like, smells like a duck, it usually is a duck? No? Are we not to talk about this, or what exactly happened? You open up a dealership?

    I looked into cultivating legal hemp here in WV. Do you know the risk involved to it, much less the start up costs? There are all kinds of ways you can get busted and D.E.A won't play nice. A wild bush could cross pollinate your acre of 0.03 THC content hemp, it goes up to 0.04, busted, all your crop gone, possible jail time. And you have to use seed supplied by the D.E.A at whatever they cost they ask for the rubber stamp. What's to keep them from tossing in a few random seeds of higher THC content just to take property?

    I would love to see this all above board instead of people begging permission as it is being doled out now. Someone is going to get crushed hard. that's all this is, a way to reel in more profit for D.E.A, government. They won't simply tax it outright and legalize it that way. No, catch folks up take property makes more sense.
     
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    I might try cultivating if I could do it using hydroponics & indoors within a hermetically controlled environment. Damn, I would be completely paranoid though. Nobody unknown within a thousand yards of the "garden". "See those gun wells up on the roof? ... Not for show. We use live hollow point rounds, the kind that shreds three layers of Kevlar."

    No, I would not want to run a grow farm. Profiting off it might be nice but there's too much overhead trouble that could happen.
     
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    $44.99 for 15 ml bottle of what you're suggesting. The CBD I used, Palmetto was $25 for 30 ml. Either way it's still expensive for my budget. The way suggest costs more for less. Granted I'm sure it might likely work a lot better. Still too costly.
     
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    something to remember is what is expensive is subject to the person's income and disposable cash in my case that means most things are a choice of which month i buy it. i have my nic on the cheap and supplies as well. thats why i can vape...

    if i went the CBD route it would have to break down to less than 20 cents a day for it to be possible long term and with CBD you always have an unknown with its use since everybody tolerance is different.

    Now if there is every a Good, trusted High quality source, then we will talk but i have yet to see anything that is not costly by my standards.
     
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    Quite understand that. There's times it takes up to six months for me to have money to buy anything vape related.

    Now, I understand Joe saying it needs to digested, not vaped. To me that doesn't make much difference as I see it too costly up front. I know digestible is likely diluted, which might lower the cost to reasonable once that's figured out. It is still a big bite on a wallet up front though.

    Not only am I looking at the cost of buying whatever CBD product. I'm also looking at possible other costs if say for example police decide to test a sample of CBD product I use, it comes back with THC in it. Doesn't matter to the quota hungry cop that it might be a legally acceptable amount. That cop has themselves a drug bust. I go to jail for using something I thought was legal. Who is at fault then?

    People don't think it'll happen. It will and then you've people that have committed no serious crimes going to jails that charge prisoners rent, charge for food, charge for laundry. If you cannot pay that day, they run you a tab sure but you need to pay before you're let out. Can't pay, stay in jail and keep running up a bill. Sorry but not worth the risk for me.

    It's a cost too high when I just pull the tried and true, "grin and bear it". Besides they are other means to manage pain as I suggested before. They don't incur such a risk or cost. I'm not talking anyone away from CBD. I am saying though there's different alternatives, take time, know what you're getting into and do so knowing it's right for you. You want to use CBD, I'm glad you got that option and more power to you. Enjoy your merry like I enjoy mine. :)
     
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    ^It's a cost too high high when I can just pull the tried and truee, "grin and bear it".

    ^Besides there are other means of pain management as I suggested before.
     
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    may or may not matter- but some companies give a "attn: law enforcement"-card. Whole plant is soo much more affordable than liquids.
     
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    Might not help depending on the officer, desire to make an arrest to fill quota. Sure it is 50/50 shot. It's always 50% chance they'll be precipitation too. I don't go around yelling for it to come though. In my opinion having CBD on you like that would be just giving an officer an excuse, yelling for rain to come. And yes, I know police cannot simply enter a home and search unwarranted & there's limits to that in public as well. Why bother risking it even so?

    This is only my opinion. I'm not going to tell anyone not to do whatever they desire. I'm only expressing my view. As I said in the previous post, more power to you if you choose that. Glad you got it for a choice. Some of us might feel we still don't.
     
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    have never had CBD..
    and NOW DAYS would to want to not know
    WHATS EXACTLY is in that bottle..

    would make a whole lot more sence to be able to just make it yourself.
    that way you know whats really going in you..

    &^%&%$$# Laws drive me NUTS..
     

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