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  1. pizzadave80

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    In response to @Pyroking253...i made a comment on this post a long time ago. I had some symptoms that I blamed on vaping. I am now breathing just fine. My body took some time to adjust to the vapor, but now I don't feel any different than before I vaped. Unlike many, I am a vapor and was never a smoker. I used to chew tobacco to take the edge off and didn't want to get back into that nasty habit. That being said I normally vape 3 mg big or even 0 Nov. I'm finding that simply taking a break and vaping in some delicious flavors takes the edge off even without nicotine. It's like a form of meditation for me now. Besides all that.....the great people I've met vaping, including those on this forum, have made it a great group to be a part of.

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  2. David Wolf

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    If your dr can't find anything then it's very likely the high VG, or less likely the flavor your vaping. high VG does that to me and some others I know. Try 70pg/30 VG or even 80pg/20vg and maybe try mouth to lung instead of direct to lung.
     
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    ...moreover, as you know our lungs don't need to be involved at all.
    The mucus membranes in the mouth do a great job of ingesting nicotine. All we have to do is play with the vapor.
    I know several asthmatic vapers, some of them in this forum who never inhale when they vape.
     
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    As much as I hate to post here, I too am experiencing coughing of clear sputum. No more chunks like when I smoked. But hacking up phlegm. First time in at least 2 years. Not to be gross, but the sputum still has that salty taste about it, but nothing else...clear as a bell. I'm vaping pretty much 70v or higher in my tanks and attys. Is this a second round to, "You're doing great, Trixy"? One of the reasons I vape is not only to get my nic fix, but the satisfaction of the vapor production. If it were any other illness, like my back surgery, I wouldn't mention it. But since it's my lungs, well...
     
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    Sorry to the people I tagged i don't know how to publicly post on here maybe you can help me out)
    Hey everyone I've been vapping for about 3 years now and for the last few months I've had a mixed amount of side effects. The effects I've experienced are sore throat, sore weezy lungs, feeling like I'm gong to puke, head aches that last on constianly for a week, to feeling like I can't think properly, when I used to drink I would get the spins from nothing, or feeling like I'm freezing cold when I got high. That's my list I know those effects for drinking and smoking occoured from the vape because I've subsequently stopped vapping to an amount that's once a day and all the effects that I felt have stopped except the head aches that go away until I next vape, the vape juices I've used have been between 3 and 6 are low pg or none at all. Im just curiouse if any other seasond vapers are experiencing any of this. Or if anyone is experiencing this from being a vaper for a longer period of time. I would love to see what other people have to say and if anyone relates please message me. The other thing is if anyone knows of any clinical studies going on about the effects of vapping, or doctors work ing on the effects of it to get in contact with me. Maybe I'm miss diagnosing these effects I've experienced but I can only know if this gets heard if you've read this please share it so I can put my mind to rest.
     
  6. AndriaD

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    It may well be that it's not *caused* by vaping, but that vaping makes it worse. If you've vaped for 3 yrs and had none of that, and suddenly start having it, I think the first thing to do is visit a doctor -- and I seldom advise that, and never lightly, being without insurance personally, and having a general contempt for the medical profession -- but if you're doing something for several years without adverse effects, and suddenly you develop a gamut of symptoms like that... vaping wouldn't be my first choice as to the cause.

    You might try using less VG; we're in the minority for sure, but there's a substantial segment of vapers who have a hard time with VG, it's so thick and coats the airways so thickly. But again, that wouldn't address ALL your symptoms, so I think a checkup is definitely a good idea.

    Andria
     
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    High VG?
    Or 2 years worth of damage accumulated from still smoking?
    At least it sounds like you still smoke.
    And have asthma?
    sounds like you use nicotine as a stimulant as well...
     
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    Please tell me you are not being serious here? You have asthma and you are vaping and smoking? Question for you how many packs of cigarettes a day did you smoke before you decided to try vaping to quit? If you are having trouble breathing then you need cease all activity related to vaping and smoking. You may want to see about getting some breathing treatments and perhaps a course of prednisone to take to see if that doesn't fix you up. I'm surprised you haven't had an asthma attack yet.
     
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    Well, speaking as an asthmatic who's been a successful vaper for over 3 yrs... the smoking really does need to go. If you mean "that other stuff," that too can be vaped -- http://www.seegovapor.com/vhit-series-vaporizer/seego-vhit-reload -- and it's a lot easier on the lungs that way.

    I would also advise using higher PG than VG; if you've been using rescue inhalers for several decades as I have been, then PG won't even cause irritation -- not because rescue inhalers contain it, they don't, but your throat is used to inhaling something that causes irritation and dryness already; vaping PG probably won't cause anything worse. VG is very thick; it's like painting something with thick paint rather than thin paint. Thin paint accumulates, um, THINLY; thick paint accumulates thickly, and your airways can feel the difference.

    VG is no more "natural and safe" than PG; both are created in a laboratory, and both are organic chemicals, which are actually somewhat similar -- they're both hygroscopic, for instance -- they'll both cause or worsen dehydration if you don't drink more liquids, you just won't notice it as much with VG, because of its emollient effect, so it could actually be worse for dehydration -- PG causes a palpable feeling of dryness, which leads to more fluid intake, which is exactly what you should do to counter that drying effect. (non-caffeinated and non-alcoholic)

    Also, you should definitely stick to low wattage and high resistance, so as to create a minimal amount of vapor. Vaping IS a lot safer than smoking, thx to the total absence of microscopic "tar" particles and toxic chemicals, but asthmatic lungs will struggle if you keep trying to inhale insane amounts of vapor just to look cool.

    And finally... commercial cigarettes contain chemicals which are there to be topical anesthetics -- so, you do worsen your asthma when you smoke, but you don't feel it as much -- BT wants people to smoke as much as possible, and the only way human lungs can do that for years and decades is by camouflaging the damage as much as possible. Giving up cigarettes means getting the topical anesthetics out of your lungs, so ANY smoke will be more irritating -- hence the link I gave above. ;) Vaping won't damage your lungs the way that smoking will, but it may irritate them, causing inflammation, which causes a "mucus" response, and without all those topical anesthetics, you're gonna feel that a lot more than you feel it, from smoking. It won't make your asthma actually worse... but it can definitely make it SEEM worse -- I had to start using Advair when I switched to vaping, though all I needed as a smoker was a rescue inhaler.

    Andria
     
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    I came across this thread after I have been suffering from the shortness of breath.
    I started vaping about 4 years ago to quit smoking. 2 years ago, I was able to successfully get down to 0 nic juice. Never had any problems in the past. I would vape all day and go through 15-20 ml of juice daily. After years off the cigarettes, I felt great and would argue with anyone who ever said that vaping is not healthy. Recently about 6 months ago I started noticing that I was struggling to breathe. It felt like I had to fight to breathe the air out. So, I stopped vaping and after about 3-4 days, I went back to breathing without a problem. I make all my own juice so I tried all VG, 50/50, mostly Pg and no matter what I tried, anytime I would vape for a day (using at most about 3ml of juice) I would struggle to breathe for a few days. I love vaping so I had my house tested for mold, got a high end air purifier and got asthma inhalers from my doctor. Nothing works other than not vaping at all. I have been so pro-vaping for years but recently I am starting to think that studies are going to find that vaping can have a negative impact on our health in the long run.

    If anyone else who vapes starts having this problem after vaping for a few years and is successful in finding out what this is as well as how to avoid it, I would love to find out exactly what is taking place.

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    Vaping is so variable that it is hard to nail down any related complications.
    And inho vaping is not for everyone.
    It is not as universally tolerated by the human species as is smoking.
     
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    I have recently had some breathing issues that I have narrowed down to the VG, basically I changed VG supplier from one well known reputable supplier to another (due to the slim cost savings) and noticed within a day or two that I was becoming increasingly more wheezy. I put this down to a bad coil, changed coil etc. A day later I was wheezing even worse and had to borrow a friends Asthma inhaler (I used to be asthmatic) as I had assumed that maybe my Asthma was returning. I was forced to stop vaping for a day due to being so breathless and then realised that my breathing was returning to normal. As the PG, Nicotine and flavourings I was using were from the same stock I quickly realised that this can only be attributed to the VG. I changed supplier back to the original supplier for the VG and continued using the same flavourings, Nicotine and PG and have had no issues since.

    As I am now 100% certain the VG was the cause of my issue and I have never had an issue in over 11 years of vaping it would be interesting to find out what the new suppliers VG contained e.g. what was it derived from?

    None of the two manufacturers I used mention the source of the VG, be it palm oil, soy or coconut oil. Maybe I have an intolerance to one of these?

    I actually plan to contact the suppliers of both VG and ask what oil they they derive their VG from. Has anyone had similar issues when changing VG? - it is strange that I have been using various manufacturers VG's over the years and only this one in particular has caused me an issue!

    NB. for completeness I tried four other tanks with new coils etc. three different mods (I was getting desperate), went back to vaping old stock eliquid (for several days) that I know was made with the original suppliers VG and was fine, went back to the eliquid with the VG from the new supplier and within a day I was wheezing again.
     
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    I have shortness of breath from vaping too. I had to cut back on my vaping. This shit s not perfect and can cause problems to your health just like anything else. I have a hard to climbing stairs sometimes. I want to pinch people who act like vaping has no side effects. My doctor claims its worst then cigarettes.
     
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    I agree, too much of (almost) ANYTHING is not a good thing. Cigarettes have been around way longer than vaping so obviously there's more research surrounding smoking cigarettes and the effects it has on your health. But your doctor should not be making ignorant claims like that. Vaping is fairly new so everyone is going to have their opinions on whether it's harmless or harmful but the truth is we don't know because there isn't that much research on the topic. Yes, there is research, but nowhere near the amount of research for other things so we can't really be that sure. I believe vaping is far better health-wise than smoking cigarettes but I'm not 100% sure. Thinking logically, we are inhaling something into our lungs and by no means can that actually be good for us but when it comes down to vaping vs cigarettes, so far we can say it's better than cigarettes. They can do studies on people smoking cigarettes and the effects it has had on them over 30 years but none of us have been vaping for 30 years so we can't really be sure what it's doing to our bodies yet.
     
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    VG over 50% causes me issues. heavy feeling in lungs and hacking up VG.
    Kind of a vapers cough.
    I use Essential Depot palm Derived VG and their PG as well.

    No issues if not over 50% VG.
     
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    I'll be honest I've been vaping for over 3 years and I have no trouble breathing what so ever. I've been building for a little over 2 years so, i dunno if that makes any difference, but I exercise, I'm super into Brazilian Jui Jitsu, my cardio is great, I'm still relatively young being in my early 30s, I've never smoked, I'm a bigger taller guy than average so I probably have large lungs and I stay in shape. So my main point is breathing anything besides plain air is going to involve some risk but you can mitigate that risk a lot more effectively if you have been living a healthy lifestyle otherwise.
     
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    Your doctors wrong, my COPD improved significantly proven by tests and me after I quit smoking and started vaping. But yes it’s not as good as breathing in just air and for some there are side effects, I wheeze if I vape high vg and no major issues with high pg.
     
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    Duplicate post
     
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    You need a better doctor. That is like saying drinking a coke is worst than drinking roundup
     
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    I know this is an old thread but:

    Same but for me the line is somewhere between 70 and 80. I figured this out before DIY when I bought some store brand juice that didn't specify their VG (i.e. it was max VG). I have asthma that was diagnosed 35+ years ago and as long as the VG isn't too high I have no issues. Even when I went too high though I didn't really feel the need to pull out my corticosteroid inhaler, just put the vape down and go back to juice that wasn't 80vg.
     
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    :tldr: all of it. But I never thought that VG could be a culprit.
    I do not suffer from asthma but will occasionally cough up Schmoo. I did that a lot when I smoked.
    I developed tinitus soon after vaping. It got louder but it's currently the same high pitch sound as usual.
    HOWEVER, last week I developed a very dry cough from the back of the left tongue area. I'll be speaking to someone on the phone and have to take a few sips of water, which I drink at least 32oz of daily. Still present even after water. THIS WEEKEND and today I feel as though my throat is closing. Hard to swallow and it hurts while swallowing. I have vaped 18mg for years at 25/75vg or higher. I'll admit, vaping Tmaxx since they use very thick VG doesn't bother me. Maybe it's the older ejuices that have lost their VG consistency that's doing this?

    I don't know why this is happening. I have an appt with my PCP of 48 years on the 25th for something else. I'll ask him then. But if my throat gets worse, other than reducing my nic before then, I'm not sure what to do. The only time my throat became restricted was when I tried Krill oil as a vitamin supplement.

    Edited: I've also been waking up with terrible dry mouth even though I am drinking ample water.
     
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    32oz is not 'ample water' unless you are not including the water in your other drinks (soda, coffee, juice, etc) in that 32oz number. I drink 3 - 4 liters per day if u include the water in my 3 - 4 cups of coffee I have most days. All I drink is water and coffee, no soda, juice, etc. I believe the RDA is ~2 liters for people on a Standard American Diet (SAD). I make sure I drink 50 - 100% more than the RDA because I was on keto/low-carb, now on zero-carb, and consume more sodium than is recommended for a SAD.
     
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    My water bottle fits 1 3/4 16 oz bottles of water. I do find that I need to refill it at some point in the day. I drink about 4-5 cups of decaf coffee daily, and I'm on a low/no carb keto/atkins diet as well. I haven't had much water in the last 2 days. Do you think that the lack of water and early morning dry mouth would close up my throat. It actually hurts to swallow.

    The closing of my throat really bothers me. I haven't changed to any new eliquid. But I am vaping some ejuice that is perhaps 18 mos old and was in the fridge for several months. I wonder what happens when VG consistency in compromised?
     
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    Vaping dehydrates you, and so does keto if you are using/supplementing extra sodium and other electrolytes like you should. I am actually on a strict carnivore diet so I eat nothing but meat (effectively zero carb other than what I get from seasonings) and drink nothing but water. I don't track calories, sodium, water, etc anymore now that I have been on the carnivore diet for a few months but when I did track I was consuming 4 to 5 grams of sodium (about twice the RDA) and over a gallon of water (again twice the RDA) per day counting my coffee.

    Coffee (even decaf) is a diuretic which will dehydrate you as well. I drink so much water during the day, and when watching netflix in bed before I go to sleep, that I generally have to get up twice a night (about every three hours) to go to the bathroom. My throat will be terribly dry when I get up at night (I guess that is what you mean by throat closing?) so I keep bottled water by my bed and it is not uncommon to drink at least half a 16 oz bottle every time I wake up, at night and in the morning, to quench my thirst and get rid of the dry feeling in my throat.

    You could also try slightly less PG in your ejuice to see if it makes any difference as I believe VG dehydrates you more than PG does. I have never vaped juice that old, and I don't refrigerate my ejuice (just my nic stash), and I am not sure what effect either of those things could have on the juice and how it affects you.
     
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    My ratio is always 25/75v or 20/80v if I can get it. I typically use 4 tanks and one atty daily. So I can't go 100% vg in the tanks. My only option would be to drip or squonk to eliminate all PG. And my gets terribly dry at night. But that has nothing to do with my throat restricting and it hurts when I eat. May I now have an intolerance to PG? I'm also vaping old juice that I love that's lost it's vg consistency. I wonder how that may come into play here.

    I still have so many old and very recent ml of 25/75v. Tmaxx has the best vg on earth. I'm never seen juice so thick and with so much flavor, even at my 18 nic level. (I've been ordering 12mg as of late.)
     
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    woops, i mis-typed. I meant to try less VG. My apologies. The reason higher VG makes bigger clouds is because it pulls more moisture from your lungs/body from what I understand.
     
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    Actually I think the hygroscopic nature is about the same as PG, but VG is just thicker, more viscous, so it makes sense that it would produce denser, more significant vapor. Which I think is the precise reason why a good many of us have to use very little of it, that thick viscosity.

    Andria
     
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    yeah, i am no scientist/doctor obv and am probably remembering it wrong or whoever I heard that from on YT (It might have been on the last smoker's show from phil or dimi) is clueless.

    I know too much VG for me causes chest tightness and can induce other asthma symptoms but I am in the minority when it comes to being VG sensitive. If people are sensitive to one of the ingredients it is usually PG or a specific flavor's ingredients. In @Ms. Trixy case it probably couldn't hurt to try vaping some straight PG juice one day, and straight VG juice the next day, to see if either increases or decreases her symptoms.
     
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    Have you been tested for allergies? I never had any and then starting developing them in my thirties. Similar symptoms. Vaping has made my breathing infinitely better over cigarettes and generally vape max VG.
     
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    Hmm, I vape almost straight VG.. I'm actually breathing better than ever - and that means after smoking from 1978 to 2011, (and that was about 4 packs of handrolled a day).
     
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    People are different. If I vape more than 15% VG, I can't breathe AT ALL. Usually I vape about 86%-87% PG. And my breathing is better, but it's been a very, very slow improvement -- it's hard to reverse 39 yrs of terrible, accretive damage, especially when you have asthma. But whether one vapes mostly VG or mostly PG says only which of them one finds more comfortable, and nothing else.

    Andria
     
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    SOLVED:
    I realized that my throat issue started when I opened a new bottle of Yaeliq ejuice. If you recall the photo I posted with my dining room table full of ejuice, the ones with the green caps (dozens) were from Yaeliq. I had no issue in 2016. Apparently they have something new in their mix. The only time my throat was restricting when when I tried Krill Oil as a supplement. I'm used to Tmaxx and other vendors that I've been using regularly for the last 18 months. I'm glad I was smart enough to realize it. Whew!
     
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    sounds like it is time to diy
     
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    Yep. I have more PG than VG for some reason. I'm looking to unload about 8-10 gallons.
    I'll be in there most every day within 2 weeks learning and trying. I need to list my flavors. I'm sure I'm missing some important ones. The ones I have now are over a year old but chilled in the fridge.
     
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    Definitely. My wife just flat out hates 100%VG juices she says they are "chewy" and feels like breathing in dense fog at high altitude, me anything over 20-30% PG makes my throat "tickle" like I have a cough coming on. Any higher PG than that and Im hacking up a storm. I am also super active in endurance/fighting sports, which may play a role in my tolerance for high VG.

    A couple of years ago I did a sports science lab test to find my lactic threshold on a bicycle and the doctor said it was great that I never smoked because I had the lung capacity of a 20 year old. I was two packs a day Newport/Kool/Marlboro Menthol for almost a decade. Blew my mind when he said that.


    **Edited** I said over 20-30 VG, should have been PG.
     
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    I really think one's tolerance or lack thereof of either PG/VG is more a factor of one's individual biochemistry. Some people can't handle one or the other, yet find the other perfectly fine. I can't even blame my asthma for my intolerance of VG, because I've heard from asthmatics round here and over at asshat central who can't use PG at all, they must use max or 100% VG... so it's gotta be biochemistry. My own son, who vapes around 5-7mg nicotine, finds my 3mg with super-high PG completely intolerable -- he vapes 70% VG and it doesn't bother him a bit. *shrug* I've never found high-PG irritating, EXCEPT once when I tried out 90% PG -- I was able to vape that for about a week, but started noticing a sore throat -- my whole throat was bright cherry red, and even inside my nose and sinuses, it felt burned and tender; took about a week to get over that, once I returned to 85% PG.

    I know they don't put PG in present-day prescription asthma inhalers like Ventolin or Proventil (no idea about OTC inhalers)... but I do recall when I started using those, for my adult-onset asthma, back in 1986, they kinda tickled and irritated my throat... so maybe back then, there WAS PG in the inhalers, and I'm just so accustomed to it from the inhalers, it's never bothered me in my vape unless I went way too extreme with the PG -- anything over 88%.

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    Me too, jwill! In addition to my tinitus, I get that tickle at the far back of my tongue/throat on the left side. Makes me cough like I have a dry throat when I'm talking to someone. Especially when on the phone.

    I was also a Kool, Benson & Hedges, Marlboro Menthol smoker since the age of 10. 20 years ago my PCP of 48yrs said my lungs looked completely healthy. In late 2015 I was Dx with Phase II Emphysema COPD and my diaphragms caved in - flat. My lung x-ray looked like a series of lightning.
    Now I can tell a cheap juice just by the increased tinnitus and coughing. Yaeliq eliquid is one I can no longer vape. They put something in their juice or there is a sub-par PG that is being used.

    Yaeliq is in Israel.
     
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    I have never heard of the juice referred but will steer clear of it for sure. Sorry to hear about the other health problems. That is rough.
     
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    YAELIQ IS A JOOZE COMPANY BASED IN ISRAEL


    VEGAN I AM!
     
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    I was going to say that, but I included it in my original post. I bought hundreds ml from Yaeliq. All of the green caps is Yaeliq.
    It's from 2016 and has lost most of it viscosity. Time to dump it. I have a huge box if it. $500+ worth. They were offering 120ml for $10.
    I also bought sweeteners and boosters, too. It was my first big purchase of eliquid before I thought 8/8/16 was going to be "lights out".
    9.29.16 ejuice table full.jpg
    The wite caps on the left are from Zeusjuice.com. They have some awesome juice. I'm really loving Dionysus Aphrodiac an d Athena Adventure. And my favorite morning vape from Zeus is their Cafe' Mocha with a few drops of "fresh menthol" from Vista Vapors.
    The white bottles in back are flavorings as well as a few up front. (I've posted this before, but this is an idea of the Yaeliq I bought.
    The amber bottles, including 32oz bottles all hold my gallons of nic.
     
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    Completely unrelated but I do appreciate and admire your organization. Just wanted to throw that out there.
     
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    I have never tried the Yaeliq, but I do get Spicy Vape on occasion.
    They are in Israel and usually around $10 for 100ml also.
    Wonder if it's the same outfit making both brands?
    I don't have any problems with Spicy vape though.
    Tasty juice but just a little on the weak side.
     
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    I've spent at least $100 on weak juices, like OmVapor and TomorrowVape before I even taste it. Well, their weak....very weak.
    I just need to find a vendor that will selll 100% VG. I spoke to 3 online owners. They all use max VG, but their flavorings are PG. Same as I'm vaping now. I have 2 owners are looking to see if their sources can do an all VG for me. One of the 5 was so nice, but said his source said no.
     
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    The Spicy Vape is only a little weak. You can purchase boosters for most flavors for $2.99. Did you try Insane E liquids out of Michigan?
    The Juice is excellent and MAX VG although I do not know the ratio off hand.
    All I know is I have juice from them (6mg) over a year old and to this day it is still great.
    They have excellent customer service also. They answer your questions ASAP
     
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    I also have had the terrible difficulty trying to breathe. I've been a vaper for over 5 yrs. It started when I switched to a different device a few yrs ago so I thought it was the problem. I got a newer device after that & no problem for awhile, then I bought juice from, a gas station & it started again so i thought it was the brand of juice. I bought juice from China & then no problems breathing for a 10 months. Then got a differnt device & different juice & it statrtd so worse that I one day thought I was starting to die. Now I think I found the solution: It is the hectic breathing when vaping. I vape when in stress. Causing the carbon dioxide to get trapped in my lungs before it's exhaled completely, I draw in more so then the tiny molecules of vape juice is also trapped & is not released in exhaling. SO terrible & scary with a heavy feel in chest. to remedy this, I put my hand on my mouth to stop gasping & I breathe slowly & deeply with my nose & let out slow & deep completely with my mouth, forming my mouth as if to kiss. Do it enough to feel well again & breathing right again. So it might be how a person is breathing & not letting the carbon dioxide & vape juice mist be exhaled all the way.
     
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    Makes me nervous o_O
     
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    6mg hits hard, I prefer 3mg personally.

    I vape all day and at worst I’ll cough a bit, and then it’ll go away after having a little water.

    Overall vaping feels far less intense on my lungs than shisha, which I used to smoke quite a lot.


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