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Tpat591

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Tpat591

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For those wondering about my last post, this will help to explain


While I do not claim to understand it very much of it at all by any means since we were never taught any of this, I do believe there is much here to benefit all of us if we ever organized in sufficient numbers to learn and apply these principles effectively.

It is no different than what Indian Tribes have been doing for a century. We as Americans owe it to ourselves to learn how to use this to help these groups take our country back. This is the same vehicle or process that Stu Webb and others used when they filed an indictment in a Nevada Court against the perpetrators of the 9-11 WTC Attack on America. A while back Heather Tucci Jaraffe was running a lot of this stuff and she was eventually locked up and kept appealing the cases under the grounds the the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA had no jurisdiction and last I heard she was appealing the case of wrongful Arrest & Detainment to the Hague. After that she disappeared and there was a big push from schills on YouTube to label her a con artist. Not so sure she was though. I'm willing to bet they paid her off to shut her up with a non disclosure agreement because they can't afford to have an organized effort gain any real traction to make this reality as they would lose everything.

Hey @Rossum & @HazyShades do you have any input on this subject?
 
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Time

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The actual issue though is whether SS retirement income is "welfare". It ain't... no matter how mismanaged or insolvent or looted it has been.

I don't have any respect for @Time's stupid shit logic like 'you LET the gov't take your money'. WTF does that even mean??? This is federal law FFS.
It sickens me that out of a thousand different kinds of actual welfare, and the nasty criminal abuses on top of that,
that some clown blasts retirees who contributed their whole lives callin em welfare recipients...

Ah. You don't like my language. I said "welfare". OMG! I'll be very careful to not say "shithole" so as not to trigger you. :teehee:

As to the other half, "you let the government take your money". It means just what it says.

There is a very good story about why the Amish don't pay FICA tax that covers both of your complaints. They consider it welfare, and they didn't let the government take their money for this purpose. Maybe you should read it.

http://www.amishnews.com/amisharticles/amishss.htm

"Plus, the Amish view of separation of church and state normally meant not accepting money from government programs, especially something viewed as welfare. No one could deny that this program was one of paying money to the government and then receiving a benefit in return."

Just as with many functions of the government, especially those that have been in place for 80+ years, people don't know how they really work and believe what they have been told over their lifetime. People still think the government creates money by printing it. Just as they believe that Social Security is an investment and that they are getting their money back or that it is not a government social program, even though it has the word "social" right in it's name.

Here is a bare bones fact about Social Security. If a young worker refuses to pay FICA, the government will take that money by force either through seizing bank accounts or seizing and selling physical assets so that money can be paid to an older non working individual.

The reason it upsets you when I speak the truth is because the truth hurts. Even old conservatives won't believe it because they would not approve of a program that takes from those working to give to those not working. They can't admit that they themselves benefit from such a program. So, they get all cranky and butthurt. But, it doesn't change the facts.

Social Security started because old poor people that couldn't work anymore didn't have enough money to live on. That's welfare. It's SOCIAL security. A SOCIAL program.
 

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"Here is a bare bones fact about Social Security. If a young worker refuses to pay FICA, the government will take that money by force either through seizing bank accounts or seizing and selling physical assets so that money can be paid to an older non working individual."

Well isn't this the whole point Time...the goverment puts a gun to your head and takes your stuff if you don't comply......that can hardly be called welfare....unless we all grow beards and drive buggies it seems we don't have alot of choice.
 

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The other California...the ones the media doesn't talk about.


SECESSION: “NEW CALIFORNIA” FOUNDERS WANT INDEPENDENCE
https://www.infowars.com/secession-new-california-founders-want-independence/



Declaration of Independence Intention to form the State of New California January 15, 2018 We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, Property and the pursuit of happiness. To secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them they should declare the causes which cause them to separate. Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such design that is most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience has shown mankind is more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. However when a long train of abuses and acts to seize and hold the people’s power without legal authority and pursuing invariably the same Object that clearly demonstrates a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. The history of the present Governor and Government of California is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of a Tyranny over the Counties of New California and the State of California. Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to seek a constitutional remedy to the abuse of powers. We the people of the Counties of New California solemnly publish and declare these counties are, and of Right ought to be, a free and Independent State, that we strive to be free from the State of California, and that as a Free and Independent State, have full power to establish and maintain law and order, to promote general prosperity, and to do all other acts and things, which an Independent New California State may rightfully do. We, therefore, the Representatives of the Counties of New California, appeal to the California Legislature and the Federal Congress to pass resolutions to create the State of New California. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor
 

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"Here is a bare bones fact about Social Security. If a young worker refuses to pay FICA, the government will take that money by force either through seizing bank accounts or seizing and selling physical assets so that money can be paid to an older non working individual."

Well isn't this the whole point Time...the goverment puts a gun to your head and takes your stuff if you don't comply......that can hardly be called welfare....unless we all grow beards and drive buggies it seems we don't have alot of choice.

There is a huge difference between accepting that the government took my money and gave it to someone else, and advocating that the government continue to take our youngsters money and give it to us.

In other words, just because we were dupped and our money stolen doesn't mean we should let them do it to our kids.

It has to end sometime. Somebody has to lose. I'd rather it was me that lost and not pass it off to my kids or grandkids.

I know that's a novel idea, taking responsibility for my grandparents, parents and my own failure to allow such a social program and ending it for my kids even if I'm the one to have paid but not get paid if that's what it comes to. But that's how I roll.

In short, I would rather not keep passing the buck to the future generations. The only reason for us older folks to want the program to continue is so that we can get ours from the youngsters. They're the ones that have to pay for it.
 
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pulsevape

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There is a huge difference between accepting that the government took my money and gave it to someone else, and advocating that the government continue to take our youngsters money and give it to us.

In other words, just because we were dupped and our money stolen doesn't mean we should let them do it to our kids.

It has to end sometime. Somebody has to lose. I'd rather it was me that lost and not pass it off to my kids or grandkids.

I know that's a novel idea, taking responsibility for my grandparents, parents and my own failure to allow such a social program and ending it for my kids even if I'm the one to have paid but not get paid if that's what it comes to. But that's how I roll.

In short, I would rather not keep passing the buck to the future generations. The only reason for us older folks to want the program to continue is so that we can get ours from the youngsters. They're the ones that have to pay for it.
I can agree with that...I'm willing to bite the bullet so my kid has a better life,and be unshackled from the goverment ponzzi schemes.
 

Tpat591

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There is a huge difference between accepting that the government took my money and gave it to someone else, and advocating that the government continue to take our youngsters money and give it to us.

In other words, just because we were dupped and our money stolen doesn't mean we should let them do it to our kids.

It has to end sometime. Somebody has to lose. I'd rather it was me that lost and not pass it off to my kids or grandkids.

I know that's a novel idea, taking responsibility for my grandparents, parents and my own failure to allow such a social program and ending it for my kids even if I'm the one to have paid but not get paid if that's what it comes to. But that's how I roll.

In short, I would rather not keep passing the buck to the future generations. The only reason for us older folks to want the program to continue is so that we can get ours from the youngsters. They're the ones that have to pay for it.
I can agree with that...I'm willing to bite the bullet so my kid has a better life,and be unshackled from the goverment ponzzi schemes.
Point is that we have all been ripped off so badly illegally and immorally cast into a system that is nothing less than immorally designed to enslave citizens to debt that NEVER EXISTED WITHOUT THE BANKERS FRAUDULENTLY CREATING THE CONDITIONS THAT CREATED IT BY A DIRECT FRAUD PONZI SCHEME and set all up to deny us the very basic human rights our Constitution Guarantees by unconstitutionally placing all of us under British Admiralty Law from birth without providing us with a basic understanding of what that means. We are subjects of the Queen of England for Christ Sake, Obviously in violation of the Constitution Itself. It is all an outright Fraud.

There is more than enough to maintain all the social programs (but I agree we do not need them all) once all the illegally charged interest on debt that did not ever actually exist in the first place is eliminated by returning us to Constitutional Rule of Common Law, breaking the backs of our tyrannical oppressors and Reneging on the National Debt to the Central Banks that was improperly charged to us under the very chapter 11 titles they have already placed us into anyway. If they do not like it we have the power to turn them to ash & glass. It would be merciful compared to what many have in mind.

They key is returning to a gold backed system under our control and not allowing them to Reboot a Fiat based fraud again. You do not have to forego these benefits in order to protect the next generation. They have you believing that we owe the world when in reality the world actually owes us!
 
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pulsevape

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I think I've got a chubby...

But screw "city" leaders... We need to arrest the STATE "leaders"... starting with Nunes and Brown.
arrest somebody anybody please just please put one single political hack behind bars...I've spent the last year watching the rule of law and the republic be dragged through the mud...I've watched a cabal of oligarchs break half the laws in america,....and nobody goes to jail...how is Comey not in jail....how is Hilary not in jail...how is Obama not in jail...Podesta,
 

Tpat591

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arrest somebody anybody please just please put one single political hack behind bars...I've spent the last year watching the rule of law and the republic be dragged through the mud...I've watched a cabal of oligarchs break half the laws in america,....and nobody goes to jail...how is Comey not in jail....how is Hilary not in jail...how is Obama not in jail...Podesta,
Don't think you will see that until after the State of the Union at the earliest. What I'd really like to see is Trump having them all in one room right at the end of the SOU & describe the deep corruption present at the highest reaches of the government and announce each of their crimes while a Marine contingent approached each of the guilty and escorted them off in handcuffs to a waiting Paddy wagon right on live TV right during the SOU like it was the freakin Oscars and they just got their award!. Let the perp walk be their acceptance speech.

It would be the greatest political television event in the history of all time. Nothing less than Epic.
 
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hellcatrydr

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Don't think you will see that until after the State of the Union at the earliest. What I'd really like to see is Trump having them all in one room right at the end of the SOU & describe the deep corruption present at the highest reaches of the government and announce each of their crimes while a Marine contingent approached each of the guilty and escorted them off in handcuffs to a waiting Paddy wagon right on live TV right during the SOU like it was the freakin Oscars!. It would be the greatest political television event in the history of all time. Nothing less than Epic.

The Pit of Misery! DILLY DILLY!!! :)

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Meanwhile, in shitholeafornia today, a twice deported illegal alien cop killer told us how it is...


Build that wall!
 
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