Discussion in 'Non-Vaping Related' started by SMOKIE, Mar 20, 2016.
That's an understatement.
I think a lot of them do care about attempts to erase our history so they can institute a repeat performance. These monuments serve as a reminder of mistakes & shame of the past & things to avoid in the future.
Sadly Ironic that those so close to these monuments are completely missing the very point of their importance & meaning while they battle each other in the shadows of them.
One does not lead a mule that does not want to be led. - Confucius
I find it funny you had a laundry list of suspects who you laid the blame at...the Klan...Richard Spencer, "BIKERS" open carry members ect....and yet in your list of threats to the public safety you failed to mention say...ANTIFA,BLM.By any means neccesary, the ISO, the WWI,the Communist Workers Party...ect.
The First Amendment states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”---a bunch of dead white guys.
You are correct. I should have mentioned them as well. I apologize for my oversight.
I don't doubt that a few people actually care.
But I think that many of those people, especially the ones that get bussed in
only care about "making the scene", taking selfies and youtube flicks and showing the world how big a patriot or social warrior they are..
Some of them are just bored and have nothing better to do that go out and raise hell
I don't for a minute think it was an oversight ..I think it was more an expression of your worldview.
What does the constitution have to do with the fact that some people are STUPID
enough to get lead around by the nose and used for a hidden agenda?
people have a right o free assembly...whether you feel they shouldn't or that they are being misguided is irrelevant...they have the right to assemble peacefully and expect the goverment to protect those rights.
To you those statues stand for one thing for other people they stand for something entirely different...
Must you be hostile to all the new people?
Might it be that the people running around in BDU's, armed to the gills and strutting the most macho bullshit are
the Klan, Spence, bikers, NAZI's, ETC?
You still think neonazi's and bigots don't exist?
Surprise! There are hundreds if not thousands of groups in the states and worldwide who are just as interested
if not more in destroying this country.
I understand in your that you don't see them from your ivory tower but as I've said b4, I personally know klansmen
and nazis, even had some inlaw chillen murdered by some klan.
I'd venture most of those right wingers who are allegedly protecting the southern heritage are only there to raise hell and spill blood.
Yea, and I have the right to ask Santa for an elephant but I know I won't be getting one.
I don't "feel" I know they are letting themselves be led around by the nose because they wanna be led around by the nose.
Do you miss the point that your argument is irrelevant and mute?
don't be a douchebag with the ivory tower shit..I grew up in a barrio dirt poor and have seen more of the underbelly of life than I care to.
safe space and puppy hugs to the left.right past the chocolate chip cookies and antifa group hugs.
Strangely, though: Alex Jones is the only media voice calling this incident for exactly what it was.
Then stop acting like a dumbshit honkey.
You may have seen my belly but you seem to have forgotten what it feels to be sat on by it.
Get many protestors out in the farm do ya?
What kind of actor would he be if he came out and said he was acting?
However, I did say "I don't know, he might just be a stoned hick from Texas..."
no, this is about RESPECT.
I realize you Yankees haven't a clue about that but...
Oh stop. I just thought it was chivalrous that he stood up for me. I don't need a safe space..... never have. Cookies, though.....
You may be right...and you may be wrong, at this point there isn't enough information to make an intelligent decision....what I'm disturbed by is the race to label SOME of these people as a threat while others we label "civil rights" groups...that the media and the goverment are racing to shut down free assembly over this stunt just as they are racing to shut down free speech ...look at Canada and Europe.....you think it's a goverment plan to start a war...maybe it's a goverment plan to kill freedom of speech and assembly.
you are embarrassing yourself now.....we've all seen you in your underwear.... chivalrous armour aside.
And that last bit would make the most sense.
They stand as reminders of historic events. I know you well enough to know you believe erasing them is a sin, because without them to remind us to examine & understand history we are doomed to eventually repeat it. They are a reminder of over a half million American Lives lost in a struggle to preserve the Union & abolish slavery. It was also the first war on American soil instigated by the London Bankers to economically enslave the the American People resulting in an assassination of an American President.
Those monuments are more important now than ever lest we repeat the mistakes of the past.
Pass the cookies, please.
(PS..not so much that I stood up for you..I stand for the truth and the truth is what you said..but pass the cookies anyway)
Oh, I have cookies! I am the baker at my restaurant! Cookies are my specialty! P.S. I still appreciate it.
".The Victor writes History"---Winston Churchill(another dead white guy)...I do not view the war the same way as you.I don't buy into the crap sold to us by the Federal goverment school system....before the federal goverment gained so much power in our schools the war was taught in the south from the perspective of the Confederacy, and it was called the "War of Northeren Agression" I see alot of merit in their point...you see the war was about slavery, I think it had far more to do with the destruction of the idea of the Republic, and they over reaching power of the federal goverment.
If the BLM crowd really were opposed to symbols of slavery it they really gave a shit...then they would be tearing down symbols of the DNC..if they really fwere so upset they would try and tear down symbols of the Political Party that in both the North and the South that lobbied for and supported slavery...the Democrat Party, and because they don't it leads me to believe they are not at all interested in the issue of slavery...for God sakes slavery is alive and well in Africa today and not one of our so called civil rights groups gives a rat's ass about it.
There is plenty of information to make an intelligent decision as long as one doesn't let one's own personal preference or narrative color said decision. I'm right that there are parties on both side that are sincere and there are parties on both sides that are there only to raise hell.
I don't think it's a government plan to start a war but starting a war is part of the gub'min's plan to kill freedom of speech, assembly, ETC.
You're stuck at our freedoms of this and that but don't look far enough ahead in the game strategy.
Perhaps somebody has a race to label some as civil rights groups and others not.
But in my opinion some of the citizens of Charlottsville are reacting to the loudest mouths.
"Unite the Right"?
It seems united enough to have elected Trump..the rest is rabble rousing.
Ohio man, 20, identified as suspect accused of driving car into Charlottesville protesters
James Alex Fields Jr., 20, was booked into the Albemarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail on one count of second-degree murder, three counts of malicious wounding, and one count of failing to stop at an accident that resulted in a death.
that is not your call...the people have the right to create and express whatever political thought they want...you can't use the excuse of protecting stupid people from themselves to strip the rights of everyone....and no there is not enough information for me..for me...to make a decision one way or the other...I'm a Tarus we move like bulls...slow,
It isn't my call to have an educated opinion? Ha!
Who wants to strip anybody of their rights, even the right to be stupid?
But it seems you'd prefer to silence me for pointing out that some of y'all are too stupid to realize the gameplay
and issue a warning that you are walking into the lion's den singing praises to old glory but neither Jesus nor Uncle Sam are gonna come save your ass.
Yea, Tauruses tend to spew forth bullshit...in a hostile and aggressive manner.
Don't blame me for seeing both sides of a coin.. I share birthdays with Trump
To your edit.....they haven't forfeited their right to speak. They never have. I'm not happy any of them(all of them) are here, but they are free to say what they have to say. And the protesters are free to say what they have to say. But if it's truly about a statue, as has been claimed, then why bus people in(on both sides)? Why not just let Charlottesville deal with it as a city and not have a bazillion people decend upon us? I believe the statue should stay as a reminder and it is history that we cannot change, but can learn from. I do agree with you about the government/police state letting it happen so our right to assemble/speak freely will become extinct. I saw a lot of violence today and did not see any attempt to stop it, until the end, when it was too late. The government does want it to happen....a war, limit speech, gun rights, etc.....all of our freedoms are eroding.....and shit like this just makes it worse.
I believe it was about bankers instigating social division to create conflict, instigating war, loaning money to both sides, supplying both sides with arms, and resulting in power from creating indebtedness and weakening a rival power.
The Southern Democrats calling it the War of Northern Aggression is about as accurate as calling today's events about White Supremacy. The Term is purposely mis-applied & used to foment racial division. To misrepresent facts to illicit a desired response. To weaken both sides. To create opportunities to control the narrative & manipulate morons.
This dialog is exactly why we need the statues. That exchange of perspectives benefits us all.
ah...whenever you don't get your way you come out on the porch in your dirty underwear and start screaming.
Exactly...you just let us know that you're on the same side as most of us here (except Cromwelll who is just a communist troll)
but a bit more level headed as well as experiencing first hand that a bunch of troublemakers from out of town are making your usually quiet southern town entirely too noisy.
The cops have all been told to stand down.. but cops don't usually volunteer to break up mob violence either.
BTW, there are many loudmouths on both sides that are there only to make money.
Here I'll mention that PJ Watson and the 2 black chicks Silk and Lace are making money from running their mouths on youtube.
There is no patriotism involved or they wouldn't care about being demonetized.
If Alex Jones was prohibited from selling vitamins he'd shutdown infowars.
most of those people who got bussed in have youtube and other sites they all capitalize with...
Not one of those big mouths is making cookies ...
(said while vaping DIY peanut butter cookie juice)
In other words, you're at a loss for words.
I have my way and you have nothing to do with it.
I don't agree ...it was a war of Northeren aggression...the issue of slavery could have easily been solved without a war...the North wanted a war pure and simple.Do you seriously believe that our goverment wants us to contemplate for a moment, that they instigated a war to steal our rights and to fill the coffers of the bankers...oh no we had a noble cause to go around murdering people on a mass scale.
I disagree. Doing nothing makes it worse in the long term. Fighting is ugly in the short term but pays dividends in the long term.
Hazy is full of shit. The government does not want the violence. If "they" do, they are dumber than a box of rocks. In the end, the people always win. Governments are overthrown.
The government has been on the slow roll of taking freedom for many many years to get to this point. They would like for it to continue to go in a slow roll as there was little resistance.
no you did the same shit to Time just a couple of weeks ago,
LOL...good point...I doubt the riots in Venezuela are being welcomed by Maduro....
It's common sense.
You don't crack down on people all at once, they'll revolt. You take a little at a time. The boiled frog method. That's what we have.
A chemistry professor at a large college had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Professor noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country’s government and install a new communist government.
In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, ‘Do you know how to catch wild pigs?’ The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke. ‘You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come every day to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again.
You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat; you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught.
Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.
The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms — just a little at a time.
The government does not want to suddenly crack down(martial law). That's not good for the government. They want to slowly catch the pigs and let them accept their captivity. They've been doing just that for many years and they want to continue. Hazy's "they" does not want the violence. It ruins their catch in the same way a couger killing the pigs would ruin catching them peacefully.
Maybe Hazy is used to the fences.
No, I did not do the same thing to Time at any point..but it doesn't surprise me that since you can't argue yourself out of a paper bag or stop yourself from being ignorant, rude, hostile, or stupid,
you'd bring up my disagreement with Time..
You feeling outnumbered by little old me that you need to try to involve Time?
Go back and re-read my exchange with Time then compare it with your exchange with either me or Gypsy.
The only similarity you'll find is that I urge both you and Time to be respectful.
As usual you're wrong.
Maduro just like the "shadow government" here welcome the opportunity to bring out the water cannons, push the citizens around, and further consolidate his power.
Damn but you're naive...
Hazy's "they" wants to consolidate their power and are willing to do anything, try any gambit to do so.
If "they' didn't want the violence "they" would not issue orders to the cops to stand down.
The cops would stop the violence and make some arrests. Show over, no excuse to establish martial law...
It would be easier for "them" if they didn't have to but "they" know that in the end they'll have to anyway.
See, in the end the cougar kills his prey anyway..a premature kill only ruins his fun but the end result is dead lunch
Go ahead Time..now you get to insult me because I can see further down the road than you. LOL
You let me know how that works out for Maduro. I suspect it will work out as well for him as it's working for Assad in Syria or any of the other "Arab Spring" countries. Most of those leaders are in Prison or dead.
Damn but I'm niave, lol.
oh hells yeah and king george just loved Thomas Jefferson, Marie Antoniette was thrilled to see the crowds at the gates of the Palace Royale, and Tzar Nicholas was rubbing his hands in glee as the Soviets chopped his family to pieces.....We all know that revolutions get stolen that is not any sort of astute observation, but it is no reason to not pull down the system...
If "they" are that dumb, then "They" can bring it on. It's their funeral.
WTF are you talking about..consolidate his power .....he shut down the national asembly and hand picked a supreme court that is unaccountable to the ballot box....there is no more fucking power to consolidate he has it all.. Damn you don't read the papers.
Very true & the Media is running the propaganda machine for all it is worth. Not one is condemning the DNC's media attempts to foment universal hate for white people. I'm not a white supremacist but I am sick & tired of being blamed for black peoples perceived oppression at the hands of southern Democrats over a century ago after 4 brothers who were my ancestors fought on the Union side (one died) to free them & most of them never picked a bail of cotton in their lives much less under the yoke of slavery.
BLM people are just like Time's pigs. The DNC is just spreading the corn while they are in an entitlement pen and all they have to do is vote for them & act out on the hate the DNC instills in them against white people to keep getting their corn. Thankfully many have found a hole in the fence and learned for forage for themselves in the wild. Donald Trump is showing more & more people where the hole in that fence is and how they can also forage for themselves. More & more are choosing that option.
The DNC then gets people Like Spencer & Duke to show up to events with their people (after all they created them) like today so they can lay out the corn & start to build the fence again.
Time's analogy is very appropriate.
Trump supporters that were present (many Proud Boys passed as they did not want to be associated with White Supremacy) were fighting for free speech & preservation of history. Spencer & Duke are not truly Trump supporters. They were used by the DNC to discredit Trump supporters.
Dems got their propaganda victory. They will soon leave your town.