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Seeking advice on the creation of a "only vanilla" recipe.

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  1. µDavid

    µDavid Member For 1 Year

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    Hello.

    I have from the very start of my DIY mixing adventures been fantasising about a ADV style vanilla e-juice but such a concoction still eludes me.

    Talking to a guy who works in my local vape shop did point to the problem, I said "I want to figure out a vanilla recipe" and he said something like "vanilla and what more? i don't think vanilla can be good on it's own".
    Please note that the actual conversation wasn't in English and I find it hard to translate well enough to convey the point of it all.

    But he thought that I wouldn't be able to create a "only vanilla" vape, thus far he have been correct.

    The very first e-juice that I bought was Liqua's Vanilla and it tasted like vanilla and burnt sugar, which could be one approach(combining a vanilla flavor with something like TPA Brown Sugar).

    Let me just list my vanilla flavors from the top of my head, I'll write the ones I like the most first:
    TPA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream
    TPA Vanilla Swirl
    TPA Bavarian Cream
    FA Vanilla Tahity
    FA Vanilla Classic
    DV Creme Anglaise
    Vanillin(PG solution consiting of 10% Vanillin Crystals)

    I feel as I am missing a couple of flavours, but besides the ones above I also have:
    FW, CAP & TPA Vanilla Custard(CAP V1 & V2)
    TPA French Vanilla
    TPA French Vanilla Delux
    TPA Vanilla Bean Gelato
    CAP Bavarian Cream
    CAP VBIC
    CAP Simply Vanilla
    FA Vanilla Bourbon
    MB Epic Vanilla
    MB Creamy Vanilla
    and.... There might be some more.

    But the point is that thus far the best vanilla vape I have come up with is this:

    4% TPA VBIC

    And that's it, and I don't really know what to try next which is why I thought I would start this thread and see what you all might have to say about this.

    I feel as there is some other flavors that might be important for nailing a really good vanilla flavor that I might not realize, and I don't have any objections to introducing other flavors as long as they would stay as more of an background flavor. There are many good vanilla flavors but they don't seem work very well together, I tried 4% TPA VBIC + 4% TPA Vanilla Swirl and that didn't improve 4% VBIC on it's own. But I will try that again with 1/4 as much Vanilla Swirl.

    Oh and I have often used <=1% FA Caramel to add a sweetness that vanilla flavors often need while often lacks.

    Regards
     
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    this reminds me of a post I made long ago on a different forum. Im with you on the vanilla journey. I dont have any useful info right now. I may comment later but I just dream of vanilla also. one of the best thing Ive done with vanilla has no recipe and actually because of your post Im going to start another vanilla jar. I was mixing vanilla like crazy and I didnt want to thow away all my samples so I took a dark 120 ml glass jar and started tossing my failed samples or last couple mls of a bottle into that 120 ml bottle and stashed it in the cabinet.. Id take some out and vape it then add to it I kept doing that for probably a year then Im not sure what happened I just stopped doing it I guess and havent thought about it since.
     
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    Yeah, a good "just vanilla" would be yum IMO. Good things happened for vanilla when nic started getting cleaner, but I've never had a "one and done" on vanilla. I will say that TFA Vanilla Swirl was pretty good on it's own, but even that had that missing taste. I like that one better than the VBIC, by itself. Maybe a combo of those, or a vanilla with a floofy flavor that isn't very strong. My fave vanilla to date, is still FA Vanilla Classic, but I always mix that with a something, LOL.
     
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    I remember @HeadInClouds saying he loved Fa Vienna Cream standalone. Was it at 3%? Is that not vanilla enough? How about Inawera Shisha Vanilla standalone?
     
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    I haven't tried it yet, but I've heard that DIYFS Holy Vanilla is among the best there is. Note to self, order some soon.:)
     
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    That was another I did like, by itself. I think you're right about the %. I know the first single of it I made, I mixed it at 2.5%, then gave it a couple days. To my taste buds, it wasn't "the vanilla" I searched for. A very good flavor, though.
     
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    Haven't tried this one stand alone yet but I really like it and use it in many recipes.
    Try adding 1-2% TFA Dairy Milk + 1% INW Biscuit (or FA Cookie):D
    Or adding just 1% CAP/TFA Vanilla Custard

    Have you tried the CAP VBIC yet?

    My favorite so far was 5% DIYFS French Vanilla.
    I liked it better than DIYFS Holy Vanilla.
    Some like blending the 2 together at 1:1
     
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    the atoms labs black vanilla is one of my favorite flavours. i've run out, reminds me i need to get some more.
     
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    Hey, I did mix it. Today is day 8. I'll get to it sometime today and let you know.

    Just as an aside, I remember when I first started mixing and I had to steep juices. Those weeks would just drag by. Now I've got so many recipes and bottles of juice and I can't even vape it all fast enough. I find I put something away for a month and I can't believe how quickly the time flies. I love it.
     
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    I suspect I will answer post backwards but whatever.

    Yes I have tried CAP VBIC, I mixed both 4% TPA VBIC and 4% CAP VBIC both without any nicotine and about PG/VG=40/60 and then I let them steep for a long time. When I actual came around to test them out and compare them they had probably steeped for something like 3 month at least. And in my mouth the result was very clear.

    There is nothing wrong with CAP VBIC, not at all but it doesn't develop as good as TPA(or TFA) VBIC does.
    TPA VBIC becomes more creamy/buttery and it feels more like how vanilla ice cream tastes, then there are TPA's Vanilla Bean Gelato(VBG). I haven't decided what I think about it yet but it has a good gelato feel to it, first during the inhale and the first part of the taste it tastes like gelato(sort of lika a mix between dairy ice cream and "ice" ice cream) before it does taste like dairy ice cream.

    Unfortunately I don't know of any source for DIYFS flavors, I need to find a retailer in Europe that has chosen to stock the flavors because the shipping is insanely expensive if I would by flavors directly from American manufacturers.
    Here in Sweden TFA, FW and CAP flavors are usual, and then there are of course all the European brands such as Inawera, Molinberry etc. It is nice that the UK have many flavor makers because for me to buy flavors from Great Britain is viable. I will search to see if I can find DIYFS in the UK because then I could afford it. Preferably I would find a retailer that also have other things I want to order but as long as the shipping cost is based upon the weight of the parcel then ordering 1 or 2 small bottles is not a big deal.

    Vanilla was the first flavor I wanted to have when I started vaping and I have tried almost all vanilla flavors that I have access to and I have been very disappointed since pretty much all the flavors contained that spicy flavor that some of us experience. But then as time went on I discovered that I can vape VBIC without that spicy note(4% is really on the boarder between spicy flavor and not spicy flavor, it also depends on what I have eaten reacently so sometimes it tastes spicy and as such it isn't nice at all while other times it does not taste spicy(vaping same batch each time)).

    My initial experience of the spicy note in pretty much all vanilla flavors was I think a combination of not understanding what % to mix at but also I don't experience that flavors taste the same today(after 12 month of vaping) compared to the first 2 month of vaping. Maybe my palette has changed/developed in some manners.
    So I have begun to test each single flavor by them self again, I have just prepared 18 bottles:
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    This is the best way I have found, writing the content on the plastic bottles and then putting a peace of transparent tape over it so it doesn't rub off. So after having written this I will fill the 21 bottles with 21 different vanilla/cream flavors and then let them steep for a month or so. I hope that this will lead somewhere...

    But in the mean time I will try to combine things with TFA VBIC, I have tried to add as much TFA Vanilla Swirl as VBIC but that didn't work at all. But I will try 3% VBIC, 1% Vanilla Swirl, 1% TFA Bavarian Cream, and then later if I am not happy with that I will add 1% FW Banana Split.

    FW Banana Split is quite nice since it is probably the creamiest flavor I have found, I would have no objection to a vanilla/banana flavor but with FW Banana Split you can add 1% to a mix and that doesn't add any banana flavor and only adds a little cream to it all. Sort of a sweet not very distinct cream.


    I have Shisha Vanilla but I am sort of unsure about what I think about it, after it has steeped for a couple of month then it isn't something I like but I am not sure if it tastes different in the middle of the steep, it taste fantastic when dripped on my finger to taste it directly but it isn't at all like that when vaped:-(

    And I do have TFA Dairy Milk and will try that.
    I have not checked out all the links posted but I will check all of them out.

    In case anyone want to know, this is what I will mix up and try(I plan to return when they have steeped to evaluate the results):
    4% TFA Vanilla Swirl
    3% TFA Vanilla Custrard
    3% TFA French Vanilla Creme
    3% TFA French Vanilla
    3% TFA French Vanilla Delux
    3% TFA Bavarian Cream
    3% CAP Bavarian Cream
    3% CAP Vanilla Custard V1
    3% CAP Vanilla Custard V2
    3% FW Vanilla Custard
    3% FW VBIC
    3% FA Vanilla Classic
    3% FA Vanilla Tahity
    3% FA Vanilla Bourbon
    3% FA Vienna Cream
    3% DV Vanille Francaise
    3% DV Creme Anglaise
    3% MB Epic Vanilla
    3% MB Creamy Vanilla
    5% Vanillin(10% solution)

    I had come to a conclusion about diketones situation(and I am still not concerned about acetyl propionyl and acetoin) but I read an peace of text on some web site that made diacetyl look like a sure death... But CAP Vanilla Custard V1 is so darn nice that I can't really write it of before I think about it some more. The fact is that compared to smoking tobacco it can't possibly be a big deal to vape CAP Custard V1(assuming you already have smoked your fair share of tobacco) and although I don't know I have been told by a chemist that it isn't as much about whether or not you ingest/inhale a substance in the first place as it is more about at what concentration you ingest/inhale the substance in, and consequently the amount(but concentration seems to be the main concern).
    I am not at all sure that is true but I want to ask:

    Do you care about whether you vape liquids containing <=4% CAP Vanilla Custard V1 or not?

    I wonder because I am trying to determine if I can continue to add 1-2% CAP Custard V1 in recipes, of course I can but is it possibly worth anything not to do it... It makes a big difference I think(to V1, or not to V1(V2). That is the question).
     
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    I got my HV from Chef's Flavours in the UK. It's the only DIYFS flavor they have, but they carry a very large line of flavors. I"ve done a fair amount of business with them in the last few months and I'm satisfied with them.

    As to your last question, I don't care about the diketones. I like VCv1. Initially, I bought all V2 flavors. They all sucked and it was discouraging to mix up recipes and be repulsed by the flavor. Then I got some version 1s and was amazed at the difference. It does come down to individual taste though as some prefer the V2s. I also experienced the change in palate you mentioned. I think it was a matter of being accustomed to tasting flavors via vaping as well as tasting flavors I normally wouldn't. I've learned to appreciate many flavors now even if I'm not a fan of them.
     
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    Quite the task you set forth for yourself lol! If you ever find something satisfying to do with Tfa Vanilla Bean Gelato could you please share it? Must of been a crazy moment, I brought the 120ml size.
     
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    Ok, I got around to vaping the Sainte Vanille recipe. There's not any coconut flavor, for sure. The HV is strong and deep. If I had to compare it to the FA vanillas, I'd say the closest would be Bourbon. This is very rich and would probably overwhelm light flavors, at least at the 3% this recipe used. I get a very sweet exhale, but there is also Vanilla Swirl in the recipe. I couldn't vape this recipe for long, as I prefer vanilla to be a supporting flavor, not the primary. I've got some favorite recipes that I'll use it in and see if it makes a difference. My palate is not that developed yet, but I'm working on it. I do know that as an American, I do prefer Vanilla Classic as it's lighter.
     
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    Uhm I'll probably skip it then since I don't have the Holy Vanilla anyway, thanks!
     
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    I seem to like TFA VBIC over CAP myself, maybe it just seems sweeter IDK.
    I hated the Vanilla Bean Gellato tho.
    Didn't realize you were across the pond where it's harder to get some of the odd brand flavors.
    Tried the TFA VBIC at 5% stand alone; it's fair but I may try 4% next time, and/or mix in some Dairy Milk.
    You can always try adding 1% Vanilla Custard to the 4% VBIC too.
    Or other things for that matter...
     
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    I have had a very miserable time vaping lately since the current stock of nicotine that my usual nicotine supplier has is awful, entirely unvapeable.

    Which have resulted in me staying up during the night far longer than I would want to several nights in a row simply in order to find some acceptable concoction to vape, and the best thing I came up with was to alter my last batch of 4% TFA VBIC(since for some reason I didn't find it nice at all to vape lately, perhaps I have used that flavor too much lately. But it contains the nicotine from a good batch).
    So I have mixed that 4% VBIC liquid with 3% CAP Vanilla Custard V1, I usually refrain from using TFA Sweetener(sucralose) but in this bad situation I thought that adding 2% Sweetener could make the taste more acceptable, it sort of did but it also reviled something about sucralose that I hadn't realised before.

    It might be simply this case(VBIC + Custrad) but adding 2% TFA Sweetener really mutes those flavors very effectively.

    As I wrote usually I never want to use Sweetener due to the affect it has on the coils that atomizes the liquid, I am not comfortable having to change coils ever 5ml of vaped liquid which I have to do with another recipe that contains 2% sweetener. I haven't really proven it but from now on I will assume sucralose to have a negative(most often) affect on vanilla/custard flavors. At least until I hear something else from someone else.

    After I mixed in 3% Custard V1 and 2% Sweetener I put the bottle in a water bath maintaining around 60-70degC for 45minutes shaking the bottle ferociously every 15mn.

    As for those bottles I mixed with many different vanilla/custard flavors they are still steeping but I have tried a few of them without any conclusive results.

    Because I have no good nicotine I haven't tried the following recipe yet, but I at least thought that the following sounds interesting which might be something you like to try Heartsdelight:

    6% TFA Strawberry
    4% TFA Vanilla Bean Gelato
    2% TFA French Vanilla
    1% FA Fresh Cream

    I might be wrong but I can imagine that it could work quite nicely.
     
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    Thanks so much for remembering me! I will definitely try it, gotta do something with my 120ml bottle of the Vanilla Bean Gelato. Have to check to see if I have the French Vanilla.
     
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    TFA Vanilla Swirl 12%
    TFA Bavarian Cream 3%
    (TFA French Vanilla Deluxe 3%)

    I vape variants of this. The last ingredient can be subbed with any other straight vanilla. My personal preferences are NN Patchouli Vanilla and FA Tahiti. The swirl % seems high, but try it out, you might like it.

    Re TFA VBIC, I actually like the peppery note. VBIC 10% is one of my ADVs.
     
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    Try using only 1-2 drops if you must have sweetener.
    It's way less offensive to coils and doesn't mute the flavors so bad.

    Don't forget theyre's a few others that may help with sweetening but they might change the vanilla taste a bit as vanilla is easily overpowered IMO.
    1% FA Marshmallow
    1% FA Meringue
    1% FA Jamaican Rum
    1% FA Coconut (more like a buttery effect for me tho)
    Even adding small amounts of Pineapple or Strawberry Ripe can add some sweetness if that's what you're after.
     
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    I concur. For the past two months, since I started using mainly FA, I use one or more of the first three in just about every recipe I make.
     
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    I don't think he so much wanted to sweeten his mix but camouflage his bad nicotine taste.
     
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    True, but I was only covering the sweetener issues as the OP is having problems with 2 things it seems.
    I addressed the NIC question in his other thread.
    http://vapingunderground.com/thread...-batches-of-nicotine-are.318309/#post-1685694

    But obviously throwing sweetener or other flavors into a mix isn't going to make bad NIC magically better:(

    Well I suppose you could throw in 10% FA Tiramisu to cover it up:D
     
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    This is something I use as a base for adding fruits to make a taffy type vape.
    I've never tried it with CAP VBIC or CAP French Vanilla though, both of which I enjoy stand alone at 5%
    If none of you mix it up, I'll give it a try with VBIC and French Vanilla when I get home in a few weeks.

    FA Whipped Cream - 1%
    FA Vienna Cream - 1%
    FA Vanilla Tahiti - 1%
    FA Marshmallow - 0.5%
     
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    First i have to say I just ordered last week Holy Vanilla and the stuff is great. I too was looking for a vanilla recapie. I tried this and it is just fantastick;

    http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/990155/Dunkaroos

    may not be pure vanilla but a great taste, also i add a few drops of cinnamon churro to make the flavor pop.
     
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    Ohhhh I really liked that Lime Taffy you made. Well done, Sir.
     
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    Ooo, that does sound good, I missed it! I made his blueberry waffle with whipped cream (I think he may have deleted it?) and it was awesome!
     
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    I won some of his juice when he was a vendor. It was a really nice flavor, too! No idea which lime he used, though. It was a fun lime, not the super sour tart kind.
     
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    Yea, I had deleted most of them when I was selling.
    The taffy one (i think) is still available in the topic due to somebody quoting it.

    i havent yet gotten around to uploading them all somewhere
     
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    2% FA Lime Tahiti
     
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    Really??? That's so surprising! It tasted more candy-like to me. How 'bout that? Regardless, it was tasty :)
     
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    These were good at two weeks but at three weeks+ they are great. They should be totally awesome at a month or more.

    So happy you posted these cause my 4oz bottle of Holy Vanilla has a new found purpose in life.
    Gonna mix up 240ml of each of these and just let them steep for a month or two.

    Thanks again for finding these.

    Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
     
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    I'm pleased you like them.
     
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    Hi, I have neglected to check all my forums lately.

    I am not sure it''s the same but I got a flavor called Holy Vanilla from https://www.chefsflavours.co.uk/, they have a flavour line called "The rebranded range" which I assume mean that they are...rebranded.

    Anyway that Holy Vanilla is awesome, I got a little tired of it after a couple of days of vaping it all day but I will be re-ordering the largest quantity they sell of this flavor or many 10ml bottles if they only sell that.

    I couldn't find DIYFS Holy Vanilla anywhere(no DIYFS at all), not even at google. I might have failed in recognising it but I couldn't find there own site if it exists.

    But would you who have tried this agree with the description of Holy Vanilla that it is a quite fruity vanilla flavour?
    I experience the Holy Vanilla I got as being surprisingly fruity as it develops(say 1 week), it is almost so that I sometimes feel there is some fruit flavour in there but in the end I would say it is a really fruity and sweet vanilla that is my stand alone vanilla flavor favourite.

    The closest comparison to that "fruity" vanilla flavour would be FA Vanilla Tahity, Holy Vanilla is thus far looking like a great component for making milkshake flavours as it is probably quite suitable for pairing with common fruits used commonly in milkshakes such as banana or strawberry. I haven't come far in the development of those recipes so I might be wrong but I really thinkHoly Vanilla could be a key ingredient for a milkshake base that could be mixed with many other flavours as long as vanilla plays nice with it.

    I also tried mixing:
    4% Holy Vanilla
    4% MB Bubblegum

    Which isn't something I really believed in but it isn't offensive at all(which is what I was expecting it to be), and there might be something unusual but very nice to be created based on a mix of holy vanilla and some bubblegum flavor.
    Molinberry Bubblegum lacks some important bubblegum note that can be added by use of CAP Bubblegum.

    This sounds as something I have to try, I bought FA Whipped Cream not long ago and I am very pleased with it and believe that it will find it's way into many recipes, it is much better(for me) than TFA Whipped Cream which is hardly Whipped Cream at all compared to FA's.

    Vienna Cream is disappointing to me, it smells great and it tastes great of eaten but when vaped I easily experience some almost plastic notes. If that wasn't so I would have loved it stand alone but I am still hopeful that it may be incorporated in recipes without that plastic note, at 1% I'm sure I wouldn't get that note.

    I will also try that high Vanilla Swirl thing someone posted, As long as it is concerning Vanilla flavours in some way I will probably test out every recipe posted in this thread if I have or can acquire the needed flavours, maybe the "Vanilla perfection" flavor in a e-liquid is very different for everyone but I have to believe that there is such a flavor(one that makes me feel I have no reason to keep on exploring vanilla flavours, at least not in the style of which I am currently doing), and some beautiful day I WILL find it:)

    Oh and remember what I wrote about having mixed 20 bottles of different stand alone vanilla and custard flavors, I have tried most of them and will be posting my findings. I haven't gotten into the "french" vanillas yet but I am about to do so, the custards was enlightening to test and I found that the only one that really holds any water is CAP Vanilla Custrad V1, TFA Custard isn't bad but it lacks some notes which I am not sure about which they are.
    FW Vanilla Custard was... frankly horrible, my taste/smell perception does not agree with those of whom ever created FW Vanilla Custard as I am getting a bitter note that simply should not be found in Custards, I'm sure that every one reading this have a understanding for the fact that when anyone writes "this flavour is bad" it means "in my opinion this is bad but there is nothing that says that you and others will agree even remotely with my evaluation".

    One thing that makes me think that my findings might not be very helpful to many hear is that the majority of the flavours I really liked is European in origin and I don't know how available for example Molinberry flavors are in the states.


    This is already a long post but I would like to end with a question for anyone who have experience with FA Vanilla Classic, and FA Vanilla Tahity though it concerns Classic most.

    Have you experienced that FA Vanilla Classic have a tendency to fade after ha few weeks(maybe 8+ weeks)?
    I don't now if it may be due to the age of my Vanilla Classic but I have found my self trying to avoid FA Vanilla Classic and sometimes even doesn't consider it as an option due to my stand alone with that have stopped tasting vanilla and now taste that generic "no flavor left" e-liquid flavor which isn't offensive but isn't something to be desired.

    (I will check the email notification setting in my account(since I never get a notification when anyone posts in any thread i follow) and over all see to it that I return here much more often than I have for a while, so I will be replying to anything posted much quicker.)

    And a final note, no any amount of flavours will NOT mask the taste of a bitter/bad nicotine, maybe it has something to do with the fact(fact = my opinion) that bad nicotine taste as good as it can without any flavors and the more flavors one adds the more the bad nicotine flavor is noticed.

    Edit: Sorry for the length of this post.
     
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    Hey, I get a lot of my flavors from the same place as you. Here is the link to Holy Vanilla, it's under DIY Flavor Shack, DIYFS.

    https://www.chefsflavours.co.uk/164-diy-flavour-shack

    I looked at the Rebranded page and I didn't see any vanilla there so you probably got the real deal.

    As for the taste, I don't get any fruit taste, but that's me. I've realized that I don't like vanilla as a primary flavor. I can eat it all day, but not vape it. I need something else with it, preferably fruit.

    As for the fading of Vanilla Classic, I've found that a number of FA flavors seem to fade, but I think this holds across all brands, some flavors more than others. One of the things I love about HIC's recipes is that I don't need to make much of it and let it sit. Almost all of them can be vaped within two days so I make them as I need them. I do have a few bottles I've made during the initial flurry of mixing his recipes and eventually I'll get to them and see how they've fared over time.

    The other thing I've learned over the last 6 months is that my tastes change. For example, in the beginning I really liked caramel and banana vapes. Now I don't care for them at all. I have some RY4 recipes I made months ago and when I tried them I literally gagged and got an ill feeling that took an hour to go away. I suspect this is normal. I can vape high amounts of cinnamon, lemon and raspberry all day, but that'll probably change at some point. It does keep the DIY hobby interesting, doesn't it?
     
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    https://www.diyflavorshack.com/default.asp

    Their French Vanilla is real good too.

    Haven't noticed any fruitiness with the Holy Vanilla tho.
     
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    I believe that they changed it shortly after I bought it, so when I bought it is was found amongst the rebranded range and then they started selling it a DIYFS Holy Vanilla. I bought a 30ml bottle of it when it was called DIYFS but the bottle have the Rebranded sticker on it.

    As for the subject of changing taste experience, I would have hopped that I would be more consistent in what I like but I experience something very similar to what you described. I have been pondering about that for a few day's now and I can only conclude that it sort of is to be expected, or perhaps it depends on what genre of flavor we are talking about because when I used tobacco I and many others that I know liked to stick to one brand exclusively for year after year etc.
    Maybe there is a reasonable explanation for why tobacco flavours may be tolerated in a way that other more "colorful" is not, generally.

    What I am hoping for and have been hoping for is to find a flavor that will always work for me, so that I know that no matter what I have a solid option, it can be really tedious to go through all the steeping mixes one have stored in order to find one that is pleasure able to vape. Although I wouldn't have as hard a time as I have finding liquids that suffice for me due to the nicotine level I require.

    Long story short, I have Asperger syndrome(autism) and quite severe ADD(Attention Deficit Disorder, ADHD minus the hyperactivity) and I have without being aware of it used nicotine to help me concentrate, and in order to get that helping affect I need 15mg/ml(and this is while I am medicated).

    I would actually like to use a little higher but there is one sometimes major side-effect to such high nicotine amounts, so much nicotine have anywhere from no impact at all on some flavors to a very pronounced impact on some other flavors. If I mix 5% TFA Bavarian Cream without nicotine I experience it as quite fruity(I'm not sure that is a suitable description but it is the best word I know for describing it) even as a shake and vape and it develops quite wonderfully into something really tasty, but if I mix TFA Bavarian Cream with 15mg/ml then I wouldn't say that I like it at all.
    The flavour looses all it's "fruity" notes and it becomes sort of dark and smokey.

    And I had found a handful of recipes that worked for me but those are now due to the nicotines effect not enjoyable any more, Flavours such a TFA Strawberry Ripe, FA Strawberry, and many berries flavours is quite awful at 15mg/ml or may become awful.

    And those effects are experienced with newly produced nicotine which tastes as little as nicotine ever tastes, it is possible that there are other nicotines out there that impacts taste less but the best I have found is from Pink Mule in Spain(run by a Danish lady).

    I have some new findings to tell you which I will post in a new post, I have continued to try vanilla flavours and thought someone might want to hear about it.
     
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    I believe we're all genuinely interested in everyone's input on flavors.

    I haven't been vaping very long, but I was just thinking the other day about how my tastes have been constantly changing since I started. Flavors I liked just a few months ago I don't bother with, while some I didn't like I now do. It's very interesting. I decided to try TPA VBIC again which I though was horrible. I was organizing my flavors the other day and I tasted a few drops of it and I liked it. I need to mix some and see what happens.
     
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    I'm late to the party!! This thread is awesome! I too am in search of the perfect vanilla. So far my favorite single vanilla flavour is TFA French Vanilla Creme. I tried Holy Vanilla by DIYFS and perhaps I mixed it too high 10%, but didnt care for it until a few months steep.

    Since you are in Europe, have you heard of Kandi Hed flavours? We can't get them here in the U.S. unless we know someone in Europe to send them to us.

    https://www.justvape247.com/crazy-creamy-custard-kh-24074-p.asp

    Is the best CUSTARD I've tried, I don't like the funky taste I get from Capella. @Teresa P KH also had a milk flavour I tried that I really liked, but not sure which one it was.

    I just skimmed through the thread and want to read it more thoroughly, but I also was told by @wllmc that a drop of coffee can deepen the custard, which is also true with vanillas. I add a drop of FA Tiramisu to 24 ml. of a vanilla mix and it's always better imo., because I haven't yet ordered the coffee espresso or cappuccino from FA. A drop of cocoa or chocolate might help as well to bring out the vanilla more.

    I'm.still trying to make the perfect vanilla cake.
     
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    Kandi Hed flavours... Never heard of them, but will check them out for sure.

    A list of vanilla flavor reviews is in progress, but it takes a little more time since I am not sure how to put it all in words and I have found my self mixing many vanilla flavours until the point that I am not entirely sure which is which any more so I am going through my mixed flavour again.

    I will probably post a "review" at a time, but I am somewhat displeased with my own ability to describe my flavour experience but I will do the best I can.

    I really do not like DIYFS Holy Vanilla stand alone, I did like it the very first time I mixed it but it didn't last for more than a day after which I don't think it is nice at all stand alone. BUT I do still use it in most of my vanilla mixes since it brings something to the table that I can't really identify or articulate but it is very nice while used with things like custards and vanillas.
    I think it is a fairly reasonable assumption that if the day comes when I finally succeed in creating that vanilla perfection sort of vape DIYFS Holy Vanilla will probably be a part of it, probably...

    One On One(OOO) - Vanilla Ice Cream V2:
    I recently tried OOO Vanilla Ice Cream V2 and it was great, I mixed it at 4% stand alone and it hadn't steeped for more than 8 days and it was and is one of the best and foremost most realistic plain vanilla ice cream flavours I've had. Now this may be considered as a coincident because if I think about the vanilla ice creams I have eaten most of them are made by natively Swedish companies so that may or may not have any relevance to vanilla ice creams in other countries. And when talking about eating vanilla ice creams, vanilla ice cream isn't vanilla ice cream...(vanilla ice creams can be worlds apart and I can think of vanilla ice creams that isn't at all like OOO VIC V2, but no other VIC flavour have matched any real vanilla ice cream I know of).
    But OOO Vanilla Ice Cream V2 taste spot on for a real vanilla ice cream I know of and it is awesome albeit a little bit boring stand alone, but I think it can constitute the basis for great vanilla ice cream combo recipes.
    I have always found it quite boring to eat plain vanilla ice cream, vanilla ice cream really needs some chocolate to be really good(but it needs to be home made chocolate sous since almost no commercial chocolate ice cream taste really great to me), and if not chocolate then some jam, berries, banana or something otherwise it is dead boring after 3 spoons. Now I have to say that there is one type of vanilla ice cream that I would never want to eat as anything other than plain, in Sweden it is called "soft ice cream" and is smoother, softer, more sweet and more fatty than other plain vanilla ice creams(I think it contains more sugar and fat but that might be incorrect) and it is so delicious that word(my words at least) can't describe it. It is always dispensed by a large machine that squirts out the ice cream into a cone or cup(while the normal type of ice cream is found in a paper/plastic container and scooped out with a spoon).

    Considering all the vanilla flavours I have tried there is something really vital missing from all these vanilla concentrates, I often find my self thinking that this and that mix would really need simply a plain, straight and simple vanilla flavour, not any creams and other things but simply straight vanilla which I can't find(bold but not dark, more fatty than sweet although sweetness is vital). Both FA Vanilla Classic and FA Vanilla Tahity tastes very close to what I want but still they are missing that last vanilla note or true vanilla profile. It is quite possible that you can't get that note while vaping, I have planned to think out a way for testing all my vanilla flavours in some food in order to find out if I would miss something while eating them.
    Something similar to mixing a couple of drops in a shot-glass of plain milk or something.

    Two other vanilla flavour that has stood out for me is Molinberry Epic Vanilla and Creamy Vanilla, they aren't really anything spectacular but they are very pleasant and I have used them combined with other vanillas with good result.
    I will buy more of them before I run out of the ones I have and will for now consider them as "must have" flavours.
    Mixed at around 5% stand alone I really like them but I get tired of them after 1 hole day of vaping one of them(I don't mean that if I vape Epic Vanilla a day I also am tired of Creamy Vanilla, but if I vape a flavour for one day and then during the later part of that day starts to get really tired of it, then I consider that flavour to be lacking something and proceed to try it in combination with others).

    I also got Chefs Flavours - Captain Custard and it is really nice, I also got there Welsh Custard but didn't like that as much. For the last 2 weeks I have been vaping mostly a mix with 2% CF Captain Custard and 2% DIYFS Holy Vanilla, though with a lot of other stuff vaped simultaneously along side that mix. But one RDA have at all times been filled with that above written mix(it requires a minimum of 2 or 3 weeks before it is good).

    As I wrote, I will try to describe them more properly but two other vanilla flavours that I have gotten attached to is the following.

    Twoj Liquid(TL) - Vanille and Twoj Liquid(TL) - Vanille Creme, TL is a Polish company with a Polish website but I got them from Pink-Mule which is based in Spain and is run by a nice and friendly Danish lady.
    At this point I don't have much to say about them other than they are two of my current favourites, Vanille need at least 2-3 days steep before it tastes good at all, but preferably something like 1-2 weeks steep for both of them.
    Although my results with them has not been very consistent when I have mixed them stand alone but I am sure that I am what is inconsistent in this situation.

    Wow, after all that text my head is really spinning horribly... To think that you can write until you experience that your head is spinning, sort of fascinating.
     
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    That's a great tip, I'll try it.
     
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    http://vapingunderground.com/threads/hobbit-vanilla.88590/

    I forgot about this one above. It was the best combination of vanilla I have yet tried. I did lower the nature's flavor malt to .75%; and the tiramisu to .125% (or I tastes the coffee flavor in it.) I will mix some up again and see what I get and let you know my thoughts, even though I know everyone's taste preferences can be a bit or a lot different. Give me a bit and I'll let you know.
     
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    Sounds good! Awaiting patiently for your report ;)
     
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    On the road today. Will mix some tomorrow.
     
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    :bingo: Thanks!
     
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    Wonder if this is anything like the "Soft Serve" Ice Cream also found in many restaurants in the US...
     
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