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  1. Mattp169

    Mattp169 Gold Contributor Member For 2 Years Vape Media

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    I do not mind one bit if people post their reviews as an answer to someones inquiries.
    Sometimes its helpful. These videos can often help us see a device sort of upclose and see how it reacts to actual use.
    But FFS Im getting tired of
    Oh check my review......
    and thats all we get as answers or
    embedding a review in almost every single answer in a thread

    its getting to the point where some users are coming close to just plain out using this forum to spam their Youtube videos to get views and subscribers

    I dont want this to be seen as "Hey dont post your review as part of an answer"
    But when members are just posting in threads to spam their damn videos its annoying as hell
    Could management maybe look into a way of restricting this type of posting activity by reviewers
    Maybe we need a section of rules for REVIEWERS just as we do for vendors

    @SMOKIE @TygerTyger @Huckleberried @Countrypami hell i forget who is in charge besides you guys you will spread this though amoungst yourselves

    Thanks
     
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  2. AndriaD

    AndriaD Shine on, you crazy... VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 3 Years ECF Refugee

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    This was EXACTLY @JuicyLucy 's point with her "eyeroll" thread, and @Deucesjack saw fit to blast her about it -- and he's one of the moderators you're calling on to police this sort of thing. So I doubt the situation will improve. It's just up to the users to ignore those posts, and continue to ask whatever questions they need answered, until someone actually answers the question with something besides a link to a lame video. I agree with your point, but I ignore those myself, because amateur videos are simply too painful to watch.

    Andria
     
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  3. SMOKIE

    SMOKIE THE MODFATHER Staff Member VU Senior Leadership VU Senior Administrator Senior Moderator VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years VU Live Leadership VU Live Host Show Host Reviewer Vape Media

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    I see your point here, and since we do have a review section any member can go there to watch a particular review on a item.

    Will take up with our leadership team.
     
  4. Mattp169

    Mattp169 Gold Contributor Member For 2 Years Vape Media

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    Thanks @SMOKIE
    And please I am not asking for like a stranglehold but we need something to keep the posting of videos and links to ones that are actually useful and help the discussion
     
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  5. TygerTyger

    TygerTyger Vape Deals Diva Staff Member VU Owner VU Senior Leadership VU Senior Administrator Senior Moderator VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years VU Live Leadership ECF Refugee VU Live Host Show Host Vape Media

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    Rather than try to start micromanaging and creating new rules, we're of the mind that folks should use common sense. If posting your review is helpful and relevant to a thread, then do it. If however, you're attempting to use the Forum as nothing more than a tool to drive traffic to your channel and boost your views or subscribers, then beware....... because.....

    This Forum features a handy-dandy ignore feature, and I personally encourage anyone who is getting annoyed with spammy review shares to go right ahead and place the offending members on ignore. So reviewers, if you want to be seen and remain relevant, don't be spammy about it, or you'll end up effectively talking to yourself here with no one to listen.
     
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    Mattp169 Gold Contributor Member For 2 Years Vape Media

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    @TygerTyger while i like what you said. I feel that your idea would be more worthwhile if people actually knew they were being put on an ignore list by way of a notification from the system.

    BUt I do like what you said and agree with the ideas you keep putting forth, part of why I frequent and partake on this forum
     
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  7. SMOKIE

    SMOKIE THE MODFATHER Staff Member VU Senior Leadership VU Senior Administrator Senior Moderator VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years VU Live Leadership VU Live Host Show Host Reviewer Vape Media

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    Some reviewers go over board in posting there review when ever a opportunity arises in a thread. And if you think it is really uncalled for, it would be best just to report it so a Admin can ask them to tame or calm it down some. Seems to only be a hand full who do this.
     
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  8. Mattp169

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    okie dokie smokie
     
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    Paratech I forgot VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    Personal opinion here;
    I agree the ignore button is a great feature for those that feel they are seeing too much of something.
    To try to micromanage an adult forum would not only require too much time of people that already have their hands full with many other types of spam and such, the concept of doing such would also become rather difficult.
    Who would decide what is spam type posting and what someone else may consider useful info provided via link to a video that MAY show the answer.
    Where one person may feel it one way, another may feel differently.
    Since every post would serve a different person there wouldn't be a black and white answer to provide the mod or admin the capability to make such a call evenly across every situation.
    In addition each mod/admin may not agree on what is relevant and what is spam.
    So the ignore button does indeed seem to be the most time beneficial path in a situation like this.
    But as stated, that is simply MY opinion.
     
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    Paratech I forgot VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    had I waited to see the reply SMOKIE posted I wouldn't have said anything because that is certainly the path of least resistance.
     
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    edit: re read my post....deleted it wasnt helpful plenty of mod responses already

    Since I can't get rid of this reply now I'll leave this here

    Sorry Matt:cheers:
     
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    Would the better possibility be creating the original thread in the review section with the embedded video, then just creating a simple url link to the specific post location as an answer.

    for example...

    *Hey, I just finished my latest review on the *insert name here* if you want to check it out follow this link
    (...........link...........)

    *end of example*

    That possibility could prove more worthwhile since it reduces the embedded videos that can cause loading issues (slowness) in the forum, but still gives the reviewer the ability to spread the word of a video, without actually spamming embedded videos everywhere.


    Just a thought.
     
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  14. SMOKIE

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    If a reviewer posts in another section thread that pertains to there review they should engage in the conversation. Members hate when reviewers just ring, and run meaning dropping your review link with no participation. THIS IS NOT A RULE! But the reviewer should have common sense not to be spammy
     
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    smokie is this something lots of members view as an issue or just some? Only Ive noticed as a member this topic has reared its head a couple of times now, but if no rules are being broken are we talking about courtesy to appease a few people here, who may not actually like some other members for whatever reason? or does the senior membership team genuinely feel there is a problem with the health of the threads at the moment?

    This forums approach to self policing is great no heavy handed mod interference like over at the other place. Policing something like this is tricky to handle right? especially if no rules are being broken like you and pami alluded to in that link above?
     
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    I've actually started looking around for other forums to join. The biggest reason is the proliferation of "professional " reviews that dominate Vaping Underground.
    Vape mail, hand check, your set-up sections have been taken over by professional reviewers.

    The reason I joined Vaping Underground was to get opinions from other real users. But I fear Vaping Underground is becoming a giant infomercial for the vape manufacturers.
     
  17. SMOKIE

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    @Johnnytraveler I would not consider a review a infomercial but to see the item in use with getting a better understanding of it.

    And @KingPin! my point is that anyone posting in reply to a thread should say a little more then, Hey check out my review or look at this link. We are a forum for conversation between us. And no rules have been broken but if someone posts the same link in multiple threads that would be construed as spammy with a mod sending a PM to that member.
     
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    Thanks Smokie just checking as I've posted links before (Whether its a review I did or from someone else I thought might help) but it's nice to know I can at least post content in a thread where a discussion is taking place about it without fear of reprisal thanks for the confirmation
     
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  19. SMOKIE

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    @KingPin! Your very welcome, and this was not referring about you who is a notable conversationalist. Thank you for your contributions to the forum, vape on.
     
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  20. JuicyLucy

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    The only problem with this one is that you cannot ignore a moderator who engages in what I consider spam reviewing

    I too got sick and tired of a handful of reviewers constantly plopping their vids in threads in a manner many others also found annoying as hell

    A review can be helpful to a newb having trouble with their setup, but some act like it's the only answer and I think it is a disservice to vapers looking for real answers

    All in all, it is very bad manners and new vapers don't always know they are being played
     
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    And wasn't that "eyeroll" thread of yours the actual BIRTH of the BAM :bomb: ? I probably wouldn't have brought this up myself, but I've hated it since ECF, where it's also a serious problem, but there are so many users there, it doesn't seem to stand out as much -- you get just as many 1) actual answers, and 2) wrong answers, and 3) insightful and helpful answers, as the video links. I just ignore the video posts and keep on scrolling and reading, because I mostly HATE videos, but I completely agree with your point about this.

    Andria
     
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  23. SirRichardRear

    SirRichardRear AKA Anthony Vapes on Youtube VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 1 Year Reviewer

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    See the bolded and underlined part is the issue. Everyone considers different stuff. See a sociopath may consider murder to be normal, most of society doesn't feel that way. that's why we have laws that define what is acceptable and what isn't. the forum is the same, it has rules. as long as the rules aren't broken it's not anyone place (you and myself included) to tell others what they can and cannot do. that's what the admins are for. I find a few things annoying myself on the forums. I don't go and make new threads every time something annoys me. even in your biased poll eyeroll thread i simply refused to vote, but i still respected your right to post it and didn't tell you to shut up or complain about your thread. It didn't break any rules and everyone has the right of free speech as long as it doesn't break the few rules in place here (ex no drug talk)

    On the flip side, at the end of the day it's what is good for the forums. Many of the people complained about in these threads are active members, members who post a lot of helpful stuff, members who help new members and answer questions, members who contribute to the forum, members who have donated money. The group complaining about it are very few of the above. And it's pushed a lot of members and good posters away from posting as much because we don't want to deal with the drama. I post reviews here personally and ECF, and reddit, and my channel etc etc. Not once has there been any issue form a mod or any complaint outside a small group of people only on this forum.

    Not posting reviews has a negative impact on the forums and I'll explain why for the short sighted or jaded people. The main thing any forum needs is traffic. they need views, they need new members, they need posters, they need content that people are searching for. every day thousands of people are searching for answers to vape related questions. some come and go, some stay. I've seen new people run away because of the BS that happens. A lot of times on those threads They would PM me and ask for help , i'd help them and then leave because they felt it was toxic here. That's the opposite of what is good for the forums.

    I just posted the rabox review yesterday. If i search for "smoant rabox review" online
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    ignoring the youtube and the news blinker. vaping underground is the 3rd thing. that drives traffic to the site. Traffic it wouldn't have if i Didn't post it, traffic that would have went elsewhere. You know those nice banners at that top? the companies pay for it and it makes the site money so it can operate and stay alive. Companies won't pay for banners to sites that have no traffic.

    Looking at the written review area, all time views
    the number 7 , 8 and 10 reviews are all by DJ which is who you all are complaining about. and they are all pretty new. Over 16k views between the 3 of them. that's 16k more hits for the site and hits = money.

    So overall reviews are good for the greater good of the site, and not only that, the people doing them are members, real vapers, donators, people who spend their time helping and answering questions. going out of their to build a community and embrace new vapers and new members alike. and yet the small vocal minority complaining about it are in the same 2 or 3 threads playing the "woe is me" and "everything sucks pity party" there are much better things to do with that time. If all those people used their experience and knowledge and took that time to do something positive it would be an even better site then it is now. All the bitching and moaning is going to send people to ECF or reddit or some other forums and cost VU new members, views, and posts, and ultimately money.
     
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    I agree with a lo of what you said there anthony

    but wow you so dont get it !

    first it was you that got me to start this thread not DJ.
    see when he answered me and added his review in it contributed to a conversation
    when you state that the exo is king for you and post your video when I already dismissed the exo as a viable choice for me thats SPAMMING YOUR FUCKING REVIEW FOR YOUR OWN SAKE not the good of the forum

    NONE OF US CARE if you or a million people post reviews in the review section. some of us lowly 4k+ 10k+ and 12K+ plus posters who may or may not have donated money to this website just dont like reviews being spammed as answers to a question especially when they are not relevant as yours most definitely was not relevant to the on going conversation.

    theres a time and place for reviews. both written and video reviews are excellent tools to discover new information on devices
    I like reviews to a point.
    I cant stand it when they are just thrown into a thread when it does not help the conversation.

    If some one says HEY how is this device with X. And you post your review video and say I go over that in my video .here it is, you can see for yourself how easy or how much a PITA it is with this device - THAT would be fine with me and be helpful and contributing to a conversation.

    When I have seen people ask about which rtas are avaiable nowadays and which ones are good- and you post here is my video going over my top 5 favorite RTAs of 2016 or 17 and why I like them. THAT IS HELPFUL in that situation

    When I ask is there an RTA/RDTA that has features A,B,C, and D and someone already mentions the exo, I say I dont like the JFC and you come by a few days later, and having not contributed to an ongoing convo that had been going on for several days , and simply say "The exo is still king for me" and post your review video. THATS NOT HELPFUL! its downright rude and its not contributing to the conversation. It makes you look like an ass who is just trying to get people to go to his youtube channel and gather more hits and subscribers to monetize your channel.

    But hey everyone lets give anthony a standing ovation for driving traffic to the site with all his reviews, i mean without him this site would not be on the map anymore and there would be no revenue for the site either

    It amazes me how you take one thing and turn it into another thing so you can play the victim and then try to act like a hero.

    I mean I am such a major ass for complaining about the fact you acted like an asshole in my thread.....heaven forbid I upset anthony or hurt his feeling or something cuz he drives traffic to the site and makes Joe money. I mean he has to tell u show helpful he is and how much his reviews help this iste out. WE ARENT DUMBASSES we do google searches too and see the links for the reviews on the site on Page 1 of google. we know that helps drive traffic here. SO stop insulting the intelligence of active members here who do actually contribute to conversations while trying to make yourself look like a hero.

    Oh and go ahead and post your reply that I am totally off based in my statements about you playing the victim and then a hero. Because I know its coming. I thought we settled this in the other thread and reached a level of mutual understanding.but no! you have to come in this thread now and start making attacks on people and misrepresenting the truth
     
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    UncleRJ Will write reviews for Beer! Staff Member Senior Moderator VU Donator Platinum Contributor Member For 3 Years ECF Refugee Reviewer

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    What you could do before you put them on IGNORE like Tyger said is to leave a comment on their review AND let them know that you are so freaking impress that you are using the IGNORE feature so you never have to experience their BS again.

    And if you feel like taking the time, put a big thumbs down for them on their YouTube channel perhaps with some personal comments:cuss2::gaah:
     
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    That is an excellent point
    but i think I just dont explain myself. And I must admit in hindsight this whole thread was a knee jerk reaction to anthony royally pissing me the fuck off in another thread

    Anthony makes excellent review videos. I have watched many of them and discovered some good info on devices I was looking into so posting negative things and thumbs down on his Youtube channel just isnt fair to him. I hope he honestly gets a million subscribers, monetizes the shit out of his channel and supports himself some with it. He does as good of a job as most reiviewers has his own perspective which is different then some of the other reviewers and i found the videos I did watch to be well done,

    My issue is how he just threw in his video in a very uncontibutive manner to my thread which in my view was only to promote himself, not help me or anyone else, and he came across as being a total asshole, and when I call him out for it he didnt like that either and started playing the victim
    It wasnt a "Hey did you check out this rta/rdta? here is my review on it" which probably wouldnt have pissed me off is the rta/rdta he reviewed was one noone had mentioned in the thread, and it was close or exactly what I am looking for. It pissed me off because he just says "THE EXO IS STILL KING FOR ME" with the video review embedded in the reply. He must not have taken the time to read the converstaion and see I had brought up my concern over the JFC of the exo. SO to me that is not someone trying to help me or contribute positively to a conversation, to me that is a youtuber spamming his videos for hits and subscribers which is an ASSHOLE move.

    And that type of stuff is what I wish there was a rule against, postng youtube links or links to other sites that do not contribute to the thread in a positive manner
     
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    Well that's a response and a half! never saw it from that perspective before ...you do raise some valid points though SRR in fact when I think about that's how I happened across Vaping Underground in the first place after a recipe came up that HIC had posted.

    Go the other side! :popcorn:

    the only way I see this being resolved without repeated threads like this is reserving a section of the forum for non video / link /pictures / emojis activity I.e. replies only. literally take away the controls to do anything when in that section .... then for those that hate videos etc never have to venture out of it? Although I imagine you lose the vibrancy the rest of the forums offers doing this? But it would serve to meet your criteria wouldn't it?

    from my reading between the lines there are two people SRR and DeucesJack that these threads are created for? say you take either of these guys out of the picture, ban them, do whatever ....somebody else will replace them that's the natural order of things so out of the pan into the fire, all you've lost is the people that follow these guys in the medium term or lose the search result positions related to thier reviews etc which sounds a little short sighted if they drive traffic and bring in new members?

    I don't like taking sides I see merit in both sides points ...hell if you check my profile I'm following people from both sides of this argument but I'm leaning towards skip/ignore here sounds easiest approach to me and agree to lay this one to rest?
     
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  28. SirRichardRear

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    ok lets see what i "dont get"

    yes i know that. but DJ was referenced as well and was the person atatcked in the eyeball thread which is why i referenced him as well


    Your also not a new member, you've been vaping a lot and when i did try to further the convo (which i did, i didn't drop a review and run)
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    So none of that was helpfull? LMAO

    That was all good for the forum. if someone searches and finds that thread, they will know which attys have free spinning JFC and which don't.

    You want to talk about good for the forums? and claim i am spamming (which clearly you don't know what that means)
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    coming form someone who has 25% of their over 4k posts in the contest area, I find that funny. a higher % of your posts are just in contests so maybe I should accuse you of only being here for free stuff? I'd be surprised if even 1% of my posts were posting reviews. So 1% is spamming, but 25% isn't being here only for free stuff? Some people are so blind to whats right in front of them.



    and that is why there is the handy ignore feature. or doing the adult thing and scrolling past it. I may not liek someone's perfume But i wouldn't go voer to them and tell them they need to move because their perfume bothers me. I'd ignore it, or walk away. that's what adults do. This isn't your house or your "safe space" it's a PUBLIC forum for vapers. You complaining about my reviews is like your neighbor parking their car on the street in front of your house and you get mad. It's a public street. they have every right to park there.

    And that is for each person to decide. I thought it helped. You also have a search function to find what you want. as do many people. but how often do people use it? it's a running joke on the internet about people being lazy. like the LMGTFY site. Many people ask questions they can easily find by searching. I do the searching for them. It's better then doing the shitty "use the search function" responses many people give

    like i said it's different for everyone. I found it helpful. It's to me the best RTA and the video can explain why a hell of a lot better then i can. There is more info packed into it then it would take me hours to write. it would explain the JFC and everything. all questions you asked AFTER i posted it, had you watched you would not have had to ask, hence there was info i there you wanted, you just didn't want to take the time to watch it and find it, and I still gave you a quick answer.

    LMAO I don't monetize my channel further proof you haven't taken the time to get you answers i provided. But please by all means throw out wild accusations

    really? lol
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    5% from external sources (aka ECF, Reddit, VU , fasttech, other vape sites i posted reviews , etc) and my channel kicked off much faster with reddit then on here. the majority of that 5% is from reddit. So exactly what am i driving to site? At worst case it's a win win for both, i get a little traffic as does VU. the traffic i pull over from youtube and reddit etc. and again since I don't monetize my channel there is no gain. it's about getting out good information to people.

    we call this projecting. I'm not trying to be the hero or the villian. you tried making yourself a victim because somebody posted a link in your thread. oh the humanity, i must be a monster lol.

    except you did, you acted like an ass in the thread to me. i already posted the screenshots. then even after i continued to help you, you were still a rude and and then went as far as to make this thread.

    yes you are off. If we had a mutual understanding, you wouldn't have made this thread. You can't punch someone and get mad when they punch back. then when they walk away try and sucker punch them lol.
     
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    well I'm willing t let bygones be bygones. I don't hold any ill will towards anyone. it's not a good way to live lol.
    Well i do appreciate that. that's why i make them. I'm not going to monetize my channel, I have my career i don't want to make a living in vaping. I just want to help out and give good info

    well if that's how you took it IDK what to say. I felt it was helpful , sorry you didn't see it that way. then i went on to answer all your questions you asked after i posted it, all of which were answered in the video. So clearly there must have been something of use in the video for you?

    But who is to decide? that's the issue. we all have our own views of what is relevant and whats not.

    So you wanna be 2 grown adults and drop it and move on?
     
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    Mattp169 Gold Contributor Member For 2 Years Vape Media

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    ill agree to drop it and move on since we clearly dont see eye to eye and im not going to waste any more time pointing out the facts you ignored in all your replies:
    like i made this thread 30 minutes before you added something helpful to that thread. the fact I never mentioned you in my original statements and actually was trying to let this thread die off until you started attacking other people

    but ot be clear,
    I have no issues with people posting reviews here, just sometimes the way they are posted gets annoying
     
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  32. SirRichardRear

    SirRichardRear AKA Anthony Vapes on Youtube VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 1 Year Reviewer

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    well then lets consider it dropped and move on :)
    it's a public place no reason we can't all be civil :)
     
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    BaronVonEyePoke Bronze Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    Bah I always get sucked into reading threads like this....I mean here I am vaping away at 11:00 at night watching some cheesy ass Kung fu flicks and next thing you know it's an hour and a half later, I missed the end of my damn movie and I realized I have to work in the morning. So In Conclusion your all heartless inconsiderate assholes that don't care about my fine appreciation of lame movies or me getting a healthy night sleep. Thanks.....dicks....


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  34. JuicyLucy

    JuicyLucy My name is Lucy and I am a squonkaholic VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 1 Year ECF Refugee

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    Thanks for the insult - repeatedly reposting your reviews in other people's threads does not drive traffic to VU - it drives traffic to youtube and your channel. Folks only need to see it once on google, not 14 times

    People wise up when they see the same shit repeatedly on multiple media platforms

    Not against reviews at all - read them, watch them when considering a purchase or troubleshooting what I have. All the time.

    Very much against repeatedly reposting links to reviews instead of talking a person through their problem or posting them in a thread just to get attention

    I see it all the time o_O

    OP: Should I get an Alien or a Pico?

    Reviewer post: Here is my review on the Battlestar!!!

    WTF? Just suggest something you know to be as good or better for their needs. Or let them know there is a review in the review section. Or tell them you found the product they are thinking about will be great or terrible. Whatever.

    I'm sure it stokes the ego when a new OP is flattered a big shot reviewer commented on their post, but this is supposed to be about helping others or getting help we need with vaping, not stoking our egos.

    And it isn't just a few complainers that find review spamming annoying. The goofy poll I posted showed 3/4 of the folks who voted didn't like that behavior

    Once again: Reposting a review thread in other threads on VU repeatedly doesn't drive traffic to VU as much as it drives traffic to youtube


    Here is my review on reviewers spamming threads:


    http://vapingunderground.com/threads/big-eyeball-roll-o_o.319687/
     
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  35. JuicyLucy

    JuicyLucy My name is Lucy and I am a squonkaholic VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 1 Year ECF Refugee

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    I think you also watch your own reviews a lot because google gives results based on your browsing history.

    Here is what I got for top hits for Smoant Rabox review, a product I have never searched for ever
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  36. skt239

    skt239 VU Donator Platinum Contributor Member For 2 Years

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    Fuck the reviews and bitching about reviews, I wanna read more post from this guy.
     
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    You know what is completely fucking crazy? After my little rant here I stumbled across the post that kicked this whole shit storm off!!! And if i thought this page has been a black fucking hole that I had no chance of ever escaping, that other one is like 5 times as long....my phone died before I ever got close to seeing the light at the end of that venomous hate filled tunnel. After this shit I came to one startling conclusion about myself....though I profess to "hating all the drama", the first chance I get I'm wallowing around in it like a fucking pig in a shit pen, just LOVING it.....I read this shit for like 3 hours last night lol. I went through 2 sets of batteries!!! I haven't paid that much attention to my girlfriend or stepson in FUCKING YEARS!! The neighbors house could be on fire and it wouldn't hold my attention for more then a couple heart beats....but this shit....I don't even know what to say....this has been a real moment of introspection and clarity for me, and for that I thank you.

    P.S. you better believe I'm hopping over to that other thread to see this shit to the end....I cleared my schedule for the night bro. I'm strapping on my hill billy hip waders and getting DEEP up in this shit.


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  38. SirRichardRear

    SirRichardRear AKA Anthony Vapes on Youtube VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 1 Year Reviewer

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    You are my new favorite poster on this site lol

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    Agreed. Unless you paid or won in a contest or waffle, your review should be relegated to the review section.

    Just as it's against the rules for vendors to post outside the vendors area; reviewers should not be able to discuss their reviews outside of the review section.
     
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  41. JuicyLucy

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    Does it to the hand check thread a lot also
     
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    Whiskey Diamond Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    2 Admin's say different remember? My post dripped of sarcasm, at this point certain members need to do what admin and others are saying and fucking ignore what gets their panties in a wad and stop jumping on the clique bandwagon that thinks they have ownership in this forum.
     
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    There are plenty of places for me to read or view professional reviews of a product. What I wanted from VU was a place to read from fellow users. Users who initially made a financial decision to buy a product. Users who have had to live with a product for weeks, months and if we are lucky, for years. Users who can give me an opinion on whether a product is worth it after living with it. Maybe after a few months, a certain product is their favorite. Maybe after a month they gave up on a product because it didn't live up to their expectations. Maybe they have changed their views on a product after living with it. Maybe what was great the first week now sucks because a problem materialized with time.

    DJ has reviewed 20 products within the last 30 days. That's an average of 1.5 days with each product. Yes I know you can test a new tank with a new mod thereby increasing the average to 3 days per product. Of course this is assuming during the last 30 days, he never once picked up an older mod or tank and steadfastly only used the samples he was sent.

    What this is, is marketing. Pure and simple. Manufacturers and/or vendors are sending out products to reviewers in an effort to market their product. No one here objects to the marketing of products. But at VU there is a place for 'the business' of vape to take place. This is one of the few rules that exist here.

    I and others suggest that professional reviews be relegated to such a place. VU is well laid out. There's clearly a section for review. If a VU member wants to read reviews of a product or a class of products, I assure you it is quite easy to find. I have and continue to read reviews. Many reviewers can attest that I not only read their reviews, but also complement them on their work. And I will continue to do so. But I ask that I get to choose when it's appropriate to read or watch a review.

    What I and others further object to is to constant spamming by these reviewers. As I showed earlier, DJ posted twice in the Vape Mail section, a link to his reviews. That's it. Just a link. No relevancy to vape mail. Just spam. We have also seen where the professional reviewers here constantly link their reviews to many discussions; whether relevant or not. The constant linking of reviews is a form of marketing. It's the same business practice that many companies employ.

    Let's primarily keep VU for it's members, for the vape user. To discuss among themselves the vape experience. Make professional reviews available to members in the appropriate place.
     
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    johnny what you are asking for is changing of the VU rules here? You failed to mention that Dueces did post a handcheck/picture of the products earlier in the thread he's not the only person ever to have linked a review I've done it myself hence why I asked earlier in the thread

    I'm not stating I agree with it one way or another here I want to remain neutral in all honesty and certainly don't want fall out with anybody over stuff like this

    Both Tyger and Smokie have been pretty clear even Matt agreed to lay it rest yet this hateful thread still drags on?...it's quite sad to see in all honesty I'd rather everyone gets along I'm sure there are things more important in life than this I just don't get the continued bashing does it really affect your life and wellbeing that badly?

    There are things in this forum I don't like but I don't vocalise about it as there is no such thing as perfect especially where such a large community resides ....I can honestly say I like it far more than I don't that's why I'm proud to call VU my home

    Way I see it

    Embrace it
    Ignore it
    Skip it
    Move along

    That's it unless there is an overhaul of the rules there is it no amount of vocal blasting that's gonna change it
     
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    AndriaD Shine on, you crazy... VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 3 Years ECF Refugee

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    Very, VERY well said, and I agree 100%.

    And just to toss this out there -- why aren't more reviews IN WRITING? As I stated above, I really really hate amateur videos, they're just PAINFUL; very few people who haven't been schooled in broadcasting can bring themselves to omit the every-other-word "uhh", and then there's all the totally inconsequential bullshit like "shoutouts" to this or that one -- all those things are TIME WASTERS -- also, opening the pkg or even unscrewing the atty or inserting the batteries -- TIME WASTERS. I know how to open pkgs, I know how to open atomizers, I know how to insert batteries -- although admittedly, when I first got my very first mech, cognizant of the risks, I did ask someone about the proper orientation of the battery; it didn't require a video to tell me to put the battery in with the positive pole up. I also can live without watching someone else vape gi-normous clouds -- what I want, if I do happen to consult a review, is an OPINION -- pros and cons -- Busardo does that very well indeed, though even he sometimes gets sidetracked with the "shoutouts."

    I'm just wondering if literacy is at such an all-time low, reviewers can no longer WRITE their opinions??? They HAVE TO make a video just to give an opinion? That's just sad. And everytime I see a review that's a video instead of a written post or article, it makes me think less of the literacy skills of whoever made it. I could skip over the irrelevant parts, if it was written; in a video, I have to waste my time and patience getting through the "uhs" and all the inconsequential chatter.

    Andria
     
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    I would like to see a feature...a big fuckng banner slap on the screen for the person that gets "ignored" saying who ignored you..

    Banner would read {"Thisuser1", you've pissed off "thisotheruser2" enough to ignore you}

    Then after a few of these I am sure something would change...
     
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    VU was started because of the out of control rules at ECF. The great thing about this place is your free to be yourself and most importantly IGNORE what you don't like.

    If rules begin to be implemented to satisfy a small group of individuals then it will begin a slippery slope. You all have options, you can ignore a poster you don't like and if it is a mod just breeze right past there post, is that too much to ask?

    Maybe you all don't remember how you have to tippy toe around ECF. I am still on there on a couple of threads but having to remember all the rules is bullshit or as it would read on ECF ........
    Don't turn VU into another ECF, that would be fucked up.


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    From a strictly noob perspective......

    I dig it when someone, in effect, sees a question and thinks "hey, I did a review on that."
    Please, just mention that and post a link. Embedding the videos takes up a lot of space and steps on other conversations in the thread.
    And TBH, if you post a review over 6 or 7 minutes, I'm more than likely move on to the next one.

    “Quidquid praecipies, esto brevis."
    Horace
     
  50. SirRichardRear

    SirRichardRear AKA Anthony Vapes on Youtube VU Donator Diamond Contributor Member For 1 Year Reviewer

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    I like this idea, but the forum auto embeds. I'd have to see if there was a way around it
     
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