Ohms too low. What am I doing wrong?

[Fudgey Finger]

I just recently decided to try building my own coils. I bought a bunch of wire and I had success with my first coil, a 16 AWG 5 wrap nichrome for my pharoah RTA by digiflavor. It runs at pretty low ohms but it has been working fine for the last week and gives great flavor but with pretty high ramp up time.

Today I decided to try building some claptons. I used 2 pieces of 22 AWG N80 claptoned with 36 g immolation builders secret (the spool doesn't say what kind of wire, just "premium blend coil artist wire"). I did 5 wraps at 3mm and installed them in my peerless RDA by geekvape. When I try to fire the coils my SMOK Procolor says "ohms too low" and it ohms out at 0.08

First and most important. Because I am using a regulated mod I am not in any danger , correct? Also, what am I doing wrong here? My 16 AWG coild I made in my Pharoa ohms out pretty low too, but not so low that it won't fire. 0.088 to be more specific.

Thanks in advance for any help. Let me know if I should upload any pics or anything.

 

[KingPin!]

Best way to think of the wires in the build is as a hose, the bigger diameter they have the less resistance they have for the current to flow through so either add more length by adding wraps to the coils or restrict the flow by using thinner wire

Outer wraps on builds like claptons don't really add to much to the resistence they are a heat sink most of the current will flow through the cores as it will always take the path of least resistence

I would say try 26g wire with 36g wrap ....try that instead should help things a little for you

Alternatively your gonna have to add more than 5 maybe 9 or so have a play with steam engine wire wizard try different build in there, just note the info is against a single coil ...so half any resistence it says for dual coils on the peerless

The fact your mod is refusing to fire is a good thing it's doing that to protect you don't go near a mechanical device until you are competent knowing your way around building safely

 

[joeyboy]

If you are using kanthal then 26/36 6 or 7 wrap will work fine in the pharoah. If you are using an fsk chip, you get a nice tc vape with that in single coil.

I also use 26/38 ss316l single claptons in the pharoah. To be honest, I get about the same flavor as I do from 9 wrap spaced 24g SS316L. To me, the flavor is not enough better to worry about it. You may be different but the hassle is less.

 

[Fudgey Finger]

Awesome thanks for the help. I started with 6 wraps but the coil wouldnt fit in the RDA. I will try using thinner wire.

If I were to use a narrower gauge wire for the inside, but used 3 or 4 wires instead of 2. Do I still achieve higher resistance or are 4 thin wires together roughly the same ohms as 2 thicker wires that are the same total diameter? That might be worded wrong but hopefully you understand what I'm asking.

 

[The Cromwell]

I just recently decided to try building my own coils. I bought a bunch of wire and I had success with my first coil, a 16 AWG 5 wrap nichrome for my pharoah RTA by digiflavor. It runs at pretty low ohms but it has been working fine for the last week and gives great flavor but with pretty high ramp up time.

Today I decided to try building some claptons. I used 2 pieces of 22 AWG N80 claptoned with 36 g immolation builders secret (the spool doesn't say what kind of wire, just "premium blend coil artist wire"). I did 5 wraps at 3mm and installed them in my peerless RDA by geekvape. When I try to fire the coils my SMOK Procolor says "ohms too low" and it ohms out at 0.08

First and most important. Because I am using a regulated mod I am not in any danger , correct? Also, what am I doing wrong here? My 16 AWG coild I made in my Pharoa ohms out pretty low too, but not so low that it won't fire. 0.088 to be more specific.

Thanks in advance for any help. Let me know if I should upload any pics or anything.

As long as you are using good 25-30 amp genuine batteries in a regulated you should be fine.
However if you are using Efest, AWT, etc you may vent a battery.

 

[KingPin!]

Awesome thanks for the help. I started with 6 wraps but the coil wouldnt fit in the RDA. I will try using thinner wire.

If I were to use a narrower gauge wire for the inside, but used 3 or 4 wires instead of 2. Do I still achieve higher resistance or are 4 thin wires together roughly the same ohms as 2 thicker wires that are the same total diameter? That might be worded wrong but hopefully you understand what I'm asking.

http://www.steam-engine.org/wirewiz.html

Example

2 x NI80 core 26g
1 x KA1 36g wrap
3mm diameter
6 wraps

0.17 ohms dual core (approx) 0.35ohm single coil

 

[BKTOAD]

Steam engine is a must. You should plug your specs into steam engine BEFORE you build. It is incredibly accurate. And you can balance out your specs to achieve your desired coil properties. I cannot imagine building without steam engine. Best advice, and often repeated on VU, is to familiarize yourself with steam engine.

Thinner gauge wire will ramp and cool quicker. For example, a 5 wrap single core 24g and a 5 wrap parallel core 28g will have a similar resistance, but the parallel 28 will have more surface area as well as quicker ramp and cool down.

I would use the highest gauge (thinnest) core wire as possible to reach your desired resistance, in general.

 

[Fudgey Finger]

Steam engine is a must. You should plug your specs into steam engine BEFORE you build. It is incredibly accurate. And you can balance out your specs to achieve your desired coil properties. I cannot imagine building without steam engine. Best advice, and often repeated on VU, is to familiarize yourself with steam engine.

Thinner gauge wire will ramp and cool quicker. For example, a 5 wrap single core 24g and a 5 wrap parallel core 28g will have a similar resistance, but the parallel 28 will have more surface area as well as quicker ramp and cool down.

I would use the highest gauge (thinnest) core wire as possible to reach your desired resistance, in general.

Wow I can't believe I didn't know about this site. I will def use it before i make any more builds.

Why do i want to use the thinnest wire possible? I was under the impression that thicker coils gave better flavor than thinner coils. I didn't mention that i don't really care about clouds at all but I am on a flavor mission.

 

[BKTOAD]

Wow I can't believe I didn't know about this site. I will def use it before i make any more builds.

Why do i want to use the thinnest wire possible? I was under the impression that thicker coils gave better flavor than thinner coils. I didn't mention that i don't really care about clouds at all but I am on a flavor mission.

In the example i gave, the single core 24g versus the parallel 28g, you have seesntially the same resistance of a coil. But more surface area (for flavor) and quicker ramp and cool down.

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The top O would be a single core 24 and the bottom oo would be a parallel 28. Hopefully this will help you visualize.

If you are a strict flavor chaser, building higher resistance is my recommendation. I feel like flavor drops dramatically the lower gauge you build with. I don't even use 26g anymore because I know I get much better flavor from 28 or 30g cores. You will likely need to use more cores in parallel (ie. fused claptons or parallel coils) to achieve your desired resistance and wire mass. For example, you might make a 2 core fused 26g, or a 3 core fused 28, or a 4 core fused 30. And, imho, the above exaples read from least flavorful to most flavorful.

 

[KingPin!]

Wow I can't believe I didn't know about this site. I will def use it before i make any more builds.

Why do i want to use the thinnest wire possible? I was under the impression that thicker coils gave better flavor than thinner coils. I didn't mention that i don't really care about clouds at all but I am on a flavor mission.

I don't necessarily agree about using thinnest possible gauge I actually prefer 26g over 28 or 30g for my cores as I like a slightly slower ramp up

Using thinner wire though means you can get away with using fewer wraps as to what I said earlier about the hose analogy if you want the crazy porn builds you'll be going thinner by necessity otherwise you'll Ohm out too low unless you happen to use big decks to build on where you can add more wraps

Best bet is to grab yourself some different gauges have a play with the wire wizard and you'll come to learn what you like best for certain builds everyone is different Try mix and match as well SS, N80, kanthal I use kanthal and NI80 together for complex builds the most as SS has a lower resistance than these.

For fused claptons i stick with SS316L for temp control purposes

Note: read the notes underneath the wire wizard calculator it gives you tips on how to use it properly at least give it a go first

 

[SteveS45]

As long as you are using good 25-30 amp genuine batteries in a regulated you should be fine.
However if you are using Efest, AWT, etc you may vent a battery.

The most useless piece of information I have ever seen posted! The MOD will not fire because it is out of range and you are talking about batteries? Do you mean a different battery will fire or you just trying to sound like you know something?

 

[Dagoroth]

The most useless piece of information I have ever seen posted! The MOD will not fire because it is out of range and you are talking about batteries? Do you mean a different battery will fire or you just trying to sound like you know something?

I think Cromwell was giving a bit of advice to the original poster saying this:

First and most important. Because I am using a regulated mod I am not in any danger , correct?

Anyway the Smok Procolor mod has a board that fires coils that are as slow to 0.1 ohm in wattage mode, and 0.06 ohm in temperature control.
So put your ProColor into TC mode and give it a try otherwise you will get the "Ohm too low" reading since you are lower than 0.1 when your in Wattage mode.

 

[The Cromwell]

I think Cromwell was giving a bit of advice to the original poster saying this:



Anyway the Smok Procolor mod has a board that fires coils that are as slow to 0.1 ohm in wattage mode, and 0.06 ohm in temperature control.
So put your ProColor into TC mode and give it a try otherwise you will get the "Ohm too low" reading since you are lower than 0.1 when your in Wattage mode.

If not a TC coil it will work very poorly if at all.

And yes that was to the original poster.

 

[SteveS45]

I think Cromwell was giving a bit of advice to the original poster saying this:

Advising people building below .1Ω that if they use better batteries they will be safe will get someone hurt! JMHO

 

[SteveS45]

my SMOK Procolor says "ohms too low" and it ohms out at 0.08

READ

 

[Dagoroth]

Correct and as I stated, the Smok ProColor WILL NOT fire any coil AT ALL that is below 0.1 if you are in wattage mode. You MUST be in temperature mode to be able to use the coil that OP has created (0.08 ohm), because the board will only go down as low as 0.06 ohm in temperature mode lol.

 

[SteveS45]

, the Smok ProColor WILL NOT fire any coil AT ALL that is below 0.1

No Shit really? That is what I said before you decided to be a butt kisser and defend the Troll........................

 

[Dagoroth]

This is my first dish of fun I've had on this forum, I am glad the answer to the topic was found before all the shenanigans!

 

[SteveS45]