I have become nicotine-intolerant and it happened overnight

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  1. Giraut

    Giraut Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    This is so strange I waited a few weeks to confirm it, but it's true: after smoking 25 years and vaping 5 years, my body suddenly decided to reject nicotine!

    What happened is, I woke up one day feeling kind of sea-sick. Then as I went through the day, I'd feel more and more like puking, but also fidgety, getting weak legs and shaky hands. Not good... Next day, same thing. And the next. And the next.

    Worse, when I'd commute back home with my bike, I'd bonk in the middle of the ride and I'd have to stop for ten minutes because I just couldn't pedal anymore.

    That went on for a while, until I decided to go see my doc. After a few exams and blood tests, he found me a minor insulin problem due to my improper sport nutrition. I changed my diet, waited for 3 weeks (the doc said my insulin levels should return to normal within 3 weeks), and eventually I stopped feeling weak and bonking on my bike rides.

    But the shaky hands and sea-sickness wouldn't go away.

    I went back to my doc, got more tests done at the hospital... They couldn't find anything wrong with me: I'm as healthy as a horse and my glycemic levels are fine now. The docs were completely stumped, and eventually they sent me home without a solution to my problem.

    So I started to revisit all the things I do in my life that could cause these symptoms, and I thought: what else makes me shaky and sea-sick? Too much coffee, and the first cigarette in the morning. I don't drink much coffee and I don't smoke no more but...

    Bingo! Nicotine!

    Yet I thought, no way that's possible: I've chain-smoked and chain-vaped for so long, how could nicotine do anything to me? What's more, assuming I couldn't stand it anymore, intolerance doesn't happen overnight. Right?

    Still, I figured it was easy enough to investigate this avenue. I started vaping only zero-nic. And lo and behold, 12 hours later, the shakes and sea-sickness were gone.

    I stayed a few more weeks on zero-nic to ensure the problem was well and truly gone. And it is. Better: for the sake of experimenting, I tried vaping 3 mg in a dripper again, and sure enough, I started feeling sea-sick again within ten minutes.

    In fact, now when I vape nicotine, I feel *exactly* how I felt when I smoked my very first cigarette 30 years ago. I remember vividly how crappy I felt back then, and I feel exactly the same way now if I vape nic. It's as if vaping had reversed my tobacco addiction all the way to the starting point. Amazing!

    So there. I still enjoy vaping very much, just without the nic. Now nobody can tell me my vaping is a tobacco-related activity in any shape or form. It's just something pleasurable and non-addictive I do with my respiratory system. But crucially, now I *know* I've truly quit smoking, and I *know* vaping isn't just a crutch to get me through the day without a smoke anymore.
     
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    Wow thats mighty strange, kinda sad but pretty cool all at the same time

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    Why sad? I only see advantages myself. I didn't expect this to happen to me, but it's rather a good thing: nic juices wreak havoc in my stomach. If I can't enjoy it anymore, it'll do my GERD a lot of good.

    Also, It's not like people who are intolerant to certain kinds of food: that's a real handicap for many people, because you can't stop eating. But nobody needs nicotine: if my body rejects it whole naturally, so much the better.

    The only small problem is, I have 222 liters of nic base in my stash, that I stocked up on before the TPD. Now it's useless to me and I have to shift it.
     
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    Thats alot of nic

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    I think it's great .. I have almost no Nic in my juice now ... whilst Nic won't cause cancer it does cause other problems so the less the better..

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    if you need a place to stash your nic now let me know..
    my one question is, Did you try different nic? I ask because I wonder if something happened to the nic you were using that caused all of this
     
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    I think this is a GOOD thing, hoping it happens to me too:wave: Thanks for sharing<3
     
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    That is quite interesting Giraut, a really positive outcome. I would imagine you can sell the nic off a liter at a time to other vapers to recoup your investment.
     
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    Wow! I'm curious about this as well. Did you test this with different brands of nic? Which brand nic were you using?
     
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    Yes I have to agree with the suggestion it might be the nicotine. How are you storing all this Nicotine? I am thinking the nicotine might have spoiled or otherwise been compromised and to truly test this theory I would get some fresh nicotine. Just my opinion as I am not a doctor.
     
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    Too much nic gives me the jitters and shakes, too, and I smoked 2 packs a day for over 40 years. It's mystifying... I can safely handle 1mg juice, and in the mornings, I have a coffee flavor that has 2mg nic in it, but I can't vape that all day. Sometimes I'll mix the 1mg and 2mg for a 1.5mg juice. I tried going off completely but had a bad reaction - depression, lethargy, ass dragging the ground all day, no initiative to DO anything but sit like a lump. So I started back on the nic and worked my way up to a max of 2mg (sub-ohm tanks, .40 ohms), but like I said, I can't do that all day. In the afternoons I have to go down to 1mg, and in the evenings, I try to vape my zero nic juices (to use them up). Vaping zero nic for the last couple hours before bedtime helps me sleep better, anyway. :)
     
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    I kinda wanna say congrats, but really sorry to hear what you had to go through for the discovery, too. At least you have the answer, and because of that, there's really no need for other brands, since you're doing fine without the nic. With that said, have you been able to decrease the amount of flavoring you use? Many say the flavors are stronger without nic, so I'm curious about that. I've reduced my nic a lot since the beginning, I've managed to reduce the flavorings, too, but I had assumed that's just been the result of healing taste buds. Has me curious now.

    Glad you're A-OK.
     
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    Nope, I always used the same bases from the same manufacturers that I know and trust. The particular bottle I had open when I started getting sick was fairly fresh, and I went through 500 ml of it before it started without any problem.

    They are in 1 liter brown glass bottles with special aluminum long-term storage caps (guaranteed to store medical-grade substances for 30 years), all of it in a very large freezer. All that equipment cost me a pretty penny too - especially the caps - but I figured I needed to be able to have my nic to keep off cigarettes until the end of my life, even if our corrupt powers-that-be outlaw it totally. I know it sounds over the top but... survivalist reflexes ya know.

    Now the point has become moot somewhat - although I've always had the intention to keep a lot of it around to help those who want to quit smoking after nic gets banned, which in my opinion isn't too far in the future.

    Look at the bright side: at least they diagnosed my hyperinsulinemia while it was still very mild, and I could avoid diabetes in 2 or 3 years with only a simple change of diet. Until the nic pushed me to go see my family doctor, I totally overlooked the symptoms for years. I only realize it now with the power of hindsight.

    I reckon I got off lightly... Another thing I should be thankful to vaping for I guess :)

    Oh that's easy: I almost never use flavoring. I vape straight VG 80% of the day. I find it tasteful enough on its own. I only add other flavors in the evening after dinner.
     
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    I think I'm somewhat experiencing something similar I recently cut down to 3 mg nicotine after a couple years of being 6 mg and now I feel kinda like my tolerance for nicotine is much lower. I don't have the extreme things going on like you but I feel like I get that nic buzz much faster and been thinking its kinda weird until I read this. Was thinking about trying zero mg for a day and see how I feel but I just feel like my tolerance has gone down somehow lol


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    This is why I continue to state that nicotine is really not terribly addictive; it's the ONLY so-called "addictive" drug I've ever heard of that causes NEGATIVE tolerance! Anyone who's studied anything at all about addiction knows that one of the hallmarks of true addiction is increasing tolerance -- and that is very definitely NOT the case with nicotine.

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    Maybe the keyword here is "yet" :) Maybe it's something that vaping does to everybody.

    It's common knowledge in the vaping world that people need high nic to quit smoking, then naturally go down over time. Maybe zero nic is the end of the road - only if you don't actively try to achieve it, your body gets you there by force eventually.

    When I started vaping, I started out at 36 mg. Then I quickly went down to 18 mg, then 12 a year later, then 6 mg, then 3 mg last year or so. I went down from 36 and 6 mg because I felt I had enough without having to do more. But when I switched to 3 mg, it was the first time I felt I physically couldn't take 6 mg very easily anymore.

    I always attributed this to better vaping equipment: the shit I started out with was really shit, and modern mods and drippers really render nicotine much better. Quite recently, I got into vintage vaping - digging out old mods and putting them back into service - and I did have to jack up the nic to get that peppery taste out of it. And in truth, even now, I still can bear a little nic for a little while out of a Smok Mini RDA with an eGo stick.

    But now I'm thinking, maybe it wasn't just the vaping equipment. Maybe it was my body slowly going intolerant as well.

    I'm not sure why this would happen. I mean, when you smoke, you keep getting spike after spike of nicotine in your bloodstream each time you light up. When you vape, the nicotine slowly ramps up and stays there until you quit vaping for the night. It would stand to reason that a more constant level of nicotine gets your body more used to it than repetitive spikes. But I'm no doctor. Maybe it's the reverse that happens.

    Whatever the case, I reckon there's a fair chance you might end up having to quit nicotine altogether because your body demands it too. I just hope people who read this thread will recognize the signs sooner than I did, and won't have to go through all the trouble before deciding to quit the nic.
     
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    Maybe it's the delivery method that makes the difference. Hell, why would it be so hard for so many people to quit smoking otherwise?

    I feel very much that, when you quit smoking, vaping first gets you off the very real addiction to cigarettes. Then your system naturally rejects vaping nicotine because the very mode of delivery turns nicotine into something undesirable for the body over time.
     
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    Thanks for the post through reading this I now realise the issue I have had of late is through Nic.. I get a shortness of breath if I take any more than a couple of drops in 10 ml and went to zero in the couple of days and breathing back to normal .. thanks again

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    I've become increasingly intolerant of nicotine also...

    But to answer your question about tobacco - its the alkaloids in tobacco (besides nicotine) that have so many people hard-core addicted
     
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    Because a behavior used for stress-relief that's been ingrained for years, decades, is nearly impossible to eradicate -- hence your continuing enjoyment of the act of vaping, even with zero nicotine. Also, because of the MAOIs in tobacco, which is why some of us require WTA in order to quit smoking, even when vaping. The very-rapid delivery of all the psychoactive chemicals in cigarette smoke is yet another reason. BT has enslaved smokers until their deaths, because of the multiplicity of addiction reinforcement which is cigarette smoking; it's only because of vaping, which mimics the behavior so closely, and the ability to include WTA in our vape, that such a number of former smokers have been able to escape that enslavement. BT also includes chemicals in that tobacco which mask many if not most of the more-unpleasant side effects of smoking -- and probably among those unpleasant side effects are those similar to yours, which is your body telling you in no uncertain terms that nicotine is a toxin that it wants no further part of.

    I often rant at length about how BT is not vaping's biggest enemy -- that would be the combo of BP, their "charitable" mouthpieces, and gov't itself -- but BT is certainly a huge enemy of public health, no question about that at all. But people want, so BT provides -- since BT engineered cigarettes to be so nearly-inescapably addictive.

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    There's 599 different chemicals in cigarettes. Some of them are added for the sole purpose of making cigarette smoking even more addicting, but the tobacco manufacturers have always tried to keep this a secret by simply denying it.
     
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    Certainly agree with this statement. I quit smoking going on three years. Was able to quit the same day I began vaping, after 40+ years of coffin nails I was astonished how easy it was. Like the OP...I no longer care for nicotine either. Once you've been off the smokes long enough I'd bet many many people could do without nic too.

    I did an experiment a couple months ago. Mixed two batches of the exact same flavors, one with nic, the other without. Both bottles unlabeled, I vaped from each bottle, I honestly couldn't tell the difference while using a low level nic mix in one bottle.

    Been considering tossing in the towel, since vaping just doesn't do anything for me any longer. I have enough things to keep my hands busy, and I don't crave nic whatsoever. But everyone is different. I just agree with Andria, nic isn't as "addicting" as some so called experts report.
     
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    I know that some people need WTA to quit smoking, and that tobacco smoke delivers many more than one addictive substance - including those included on purpose by cigarette manufacturers to reinforce the addiction.

    Yet most smokers who give vaping a go manage to quit smoking more or less easily, and the vast majority of those don't need more than nicotine to quit. Surely that means the most addictive bits in cigarette smoking are the nicotine, the throat hit sensation and the repetitive gesture - since normal vaporizers/liquids can't deliver anything else - right? Do you reckon those three effects are enough for smokers to "forget" the other addictive substances?

    I know tobacco smoke has artificially-added anaesthetics to numb the throat and prevent coughing. I learned that when I started smoking quality cigars, which are all natural. And I get confirmation each time I lend one of my mods to a smoker who asks me what it's like to vape: they all cough their lungs out after one drag, even without nic, and even at low temperature, without fail.

    Not inescapable - not anymore: we have the great tobacco cessation tool that is vaping now!
     
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    I sure can tell: nic has a very distinct peppery flavor. If there's anything I miss with the nic, it's that spicy aftertaste. But then I don't miss it all that much: when I taste nic, I know I'll get heartburn shortly after...
     
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    I'm not AndriaD, but I'll answer anyway... for me, those three effects were not even close to being enough. And I haven't used any WTA or anything like that... instead I just made sure to get a smooth, dense, saturated, flavorful vape with big enough clouds, and almost NO throat hit. My point is every person is completely different. A lot of people seem to always want to forget that. I dunno why they do.
    I did not cough... not even once. This was despite being at 80 watts on a 25mm Troll RDA 2 with a pair of custom built fused clapton coils, right off the bat. So once again I am living proof that hose kinds of generalizations do not apply.
     
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    Of course everybody is different. All I'm saying is, with "regular" vaping of one form or another (different settings, different preferences, but regular e-liquid), most smokers have a very fair chance of quitting rather painlessly.

    I know this first hand because I personally converted 66 people to vaping, and only 6 of them started smoking again after 3 years. They're people in my company, I see them every day, so I know who does well and who doesn't. That's a 90% success rate. I ain't saying it was easy for all of them, but the fact remains that 60 of them pulled through and never seemed in tremendous tobacco craving distress.

    I never coughed either - not even when I smoked, for that matter :) But I can't help but notice that every smoker I hand over my mod to does, however low the settings.
     
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    I think that everyone is different; some folks *have* been successful using nothing but BP NRT, and some even with "cold turkey"; for those who continually failed to quit with either of those methods, I don't think there can be too much generalization, since we were apparently the "hard core" smokers -- for me, it's TH and a hard, tight draw, and at first, the WTA; but many vapers "learn" to forego TH almost entirely, and come to actually hate that feeling, and of course, the great majority apparently switch from MtL to huffing their vape; and as quite a few have been at great pains to tell me, some people are more addicted to nicotine than others. Just as some, like Inspects, quit smoking the moment they started vaping, where some of us needed weeks or months or years to really make it stick. The best benefit of vaping for us "hard core" is that it's so customizable -- we can make it be anything we need or want it to be -- and there are no "rules" for how to use it -- we use it as it suits us to use it, and I think that freedom is as big a part of success at smoking cessation as any other aspect of it.


    I never had that at all; to me, vaping provided amazing TH without the 10-min coughing jags that an equal TH from smoke would always provoke... but I've seen it a little in my son, when he first tried mine -- he definitely doesn't like as much TH as I do. ;) :giggle:


    That's why I said "nearly" -- yet for all the success we see around here, there are still those who can't quite manage it. I don't know if they're just stubborn, or maybe they don't *really* want to quit but feel compelled to make PC noises about doing so, or maybe they just don't have good mentoring -- it does require learning a fair amount of previously-unconsidered minutiae, to vape successfully! Maybe they haven't found just the right ejuice, or the right atty, or they don't realize that nicotine isn't their problem, it's the 5% of other alkaloids they need to replace, and systematically wean from. But for those who really want to be vapers and ex-smokers, it seems that the main factor to success is plain persistence -- to just keep on vaping, keep on trying; for some it might take months or years, but if they keep at it, eventually it does "click." Some people maybe just want to say that they tried, but it didn't work, so they have a good excuse to keep smoking.

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    I'd say it largely depends. If you're allowed to frequently go outside to vape and you're not stuck with a low cost / underperforming vape setup due to budget constraints and or due to the extra effort and learning curve generally associated with more advanced, optionally higher powered setups, then probably you'd see a pretty huge chance of success... but not everyone has that kind of an opportunity. I've seen loads of people fail miserably due to these factors. Failure can result from something as fairly simple as sticking to prebuilt coils / not learning how to wick a rebuildable. So if the vape experience will remain sub par, the rate of success will typically suffer a great deal. I like to put most of the blame on cheap "starter kit" type stuff and how it's being marketed.
    Yeah. lol... I call it e-cigspitzengef├╝hl.
     
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    Go outside to vape??? Why? The entire reason I started vaping was to keep my ass INSIDE!!! Vapor doesn't stink like smoke, and isn't harmful to bystanders. If I'd had to go outside to vape, I'd probably have just figured, I might as well just keep smoking!

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    This is why I always advise people who want to start vaping to quit smoking to dedicate at least $100 for a good setup. It's an easy sell: I tell them even if it doesn't work for them, they'll lose $100 - but that only represents 15 packs of smokes. Isn't a very real chance to quit worth 15 packs of smokes? Usually the heavier the smoker, the punchier the argument :)

    Back when I converted those 66 people, I had a scheme going: when someone told me they wanted to quit smoking, I proposed to lend them a complete kit - a good VV eGo stick, a good clearo, a bottle of 12-mg tobacco-flavored juice that I knew would appeal to a smoker, and a complete set of instructions I had written myself. It was a good vape kit back in the days. Then I'd tell them to use it for as long as it would take them to go through the number of cigarettes corresponding to the price of the vape kit. At the end of that period, they could either pay me back and keep it, or give it back to me and just pay me the juice they had consumed.

    In short, I gave them the opportunity to try out vaping free of charge. All 66 of them paid me back and thanked me because they wouldn't have dared invest so much upfront in something they didn't know.

    Back then, vaping was rare: vapers had to convince smokers to try it out. Now things have changed: vaping is ubiquitous enough that smokers know it's a method that really work to quit smoking. So all I need to do now is give them the address of a helpful vape shop, and tell them not to skimp on the price of their first kit.
     
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    Many people can't vape at work.
     
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    i do the same and your right everyone is always more than appreciative and have converted many smokers also
     
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    i dont vape at places that dont allow smoking just out of respect for others. smoke or vape some people just dont want to sit in a cloudy room or have shit blown in their face at walmart . who am i to force my habits on anyone , common respect
     
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    I have only been vaping for six months, but I have been advising the same as you. Only problem... a lot of people simply don't listen, and then they just look at me like I'm a cabbage or something like that...
    Good strategy I guess, but unfortunately it also helps to prove my point... the nicotine, the throat hit sensation and the repetitive gesture aren't enough.
    I give people the exact same advice. Just nobody listens, and now they've all completely abandoned vaping so they're all back to smoking cigarettes... or they simply keep refusing to try out vaping because they don't really want to quit smoking, and the fact the (Flemish-Belgian) TV news is telling them it still hasn't been determined that vaping is less harmful is not exactly helping them, either...
     
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    Exactly
     
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    I am a Belgian. Vaping at work or public indoor places (including in vape shops) is banned in Belgium.
     
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    Congratulations!! The human body is so interesting and amazing I think and I'm so happy for you! I honestly am so thrilled about not smoking all those chemicals in a cig I almost don't consider vaping remotely as a bad thing.. I smoked almost 40yrs myself and between you, me and the fence post I've had worse habits, ..
    yay for quitting !! Ty so much for sharing that's so much great info! God speed...;))
     
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    I say it's only more evidence of the evils of Big Pharma/ Big Tobacco and what they know and put in cigarettes to keep our tolerance up and stay addicted.. it's so crazy it's probably true. Well, fuck them we vape now pfft! Haaaa
     
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    Yesss! So true! It's discouraging because it's turns them off of it somewhat. I never coughed then or now either but everyone I've ever handed my vape to has... I laugh, haaa! Is that wrong?
     
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    Andria you're a Saint!!
     
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    he said they look at me like I'm a cabbage
     
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    All my laughing guys not with that and w/o them you might not understand my sense of humor.. :gaah:
     
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    Don't mind me rambling, just talking to myself pretty much, I was quite late to the party..:vino::bingo:
     
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    Same here.

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