How build a cloud chaser 101

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  1. Ruppy_bear

    Ruppy_bear Bronze Contributor Member For 1 Year Unlisted Vendor

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    I'm super noob at cloud chasing cuz for past few years I thought cloud chasing wasn't just in mod but also in persons size. (I recently realize it wasn't)

    Feeling stupid, I kinda wanna give cloud chasing a try. I have a invader 3 as well as a aug v200 on a Kennedy tank.

    My question is, what is the best coil setup? How many wraps? What about the coil numbers? Are there any other things I should watch out for?
     
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    How much experience do you have with Ohm's law and building? :)

    That's important to know for any recommendations.

    For starters, I would use your B18C (couldn't resist :)) and the Kennedy.
    Assuming it's the Kennedy 24, I would build a simple Clapton build, 3mm ID and 5-6 wraps, so it's as width as the airflow. That should give some nice clouds.
    From there you can start to experiment. I've seen Kennedy 24s with some neat quad vertical builds, you might want to check those out if you're experienced enough.
     
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    Questions: I'm a skinny Asian guy, does size and lung capacity have anything to do with it.

    For many years I thought it did in till recently but I wasn't a 100% sure

    I'm not too familiar with ohm laws, normally just have ppl build them for me (sorry but I'm quite lazy and noob).
     
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    Nah, skinny has nothing to do with it. In fact the people with the most lung capacity are often skinny (see freediving)
    A lot of trick vapers are skinny, too.

    You should definitely get into ohm laws, even if you're lazy, and start with simple builds on a regulated mod.
    This is crucial for your safety and health. :)

    Especially ohm laws seem confusing at first, but are stupidly simple once you get around it.
    It's basically just figuring out how low you can go and stay safe and then calculating your build.

    There's 2 ways for the calculation:

    - Either you figure out how low you can go and then do a build for that
    - Or you want an output of a certain watt, calculate what ohm that would be, check if that resistance would be safe, and then build for that watts.

    For example let's say I know my Gorge works incredible well at around 60 watts.
    I want to use it on my single coil mech squonker with a single 18650.
    60 Watts at 3.7V is about 0.23 ohms. ( R (ohms) = U² (V) / P (Watts)= 3.7² / 60 = 13.69/60 = 0.22816 )
    For safety measures, calculate power output at 4.2V (fully charged 18650), which is 4.2²/0.23 (P=U²/R) = 76.70 Watts. I know the Gorge can take this, so that is fine. Now I calculate the maximum Amps (I) this build would draw.
    This is calculated by dividing 4.2V with your resistance (I = U/R) or alternatively by dividing your Watts with 4.2V (I = P/U), both work.
    That tells me my setup would draw a maximum of 18.26A. Since I know the CDR of the batteries I use is 30A, that tells me I'm good to use that build.
    If I would have batteries which can only handle 15A, I would not use that build

    I hope that made any sense. :D
     
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    Thanks, that makes....... No sense to me at all. (Not all Asians are good at math and science lol, I'm one of them)

    But I should try to figure it out
     
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    Lung size definitely has a part in it - more lung volume, more vapor between two people with same build. The build is more important, though - I am 5'2" and can puff out some smoke bombs

    You said Kennedy tank...is it an RDA?

    Don't worry much about ohm's law as long as you use a regulated mod like your Augvape v200 - ohm's law is a must for using mechanicals, there are calculators for it online

    What wire do you have? Have you ever built coils before?
     
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    Awesome post!
     
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    Your not good at maths & science?!?!?!?!? Next thing your gonna tell us your an awesome driver.:crazy:just busting your balls. But the size of a man size of the cloud thing, isn’t a thing. Just because someone is small doesn’t mean they have a small lung capacity. There really isn’t any relation. Kinda like that Asian competitive eater that used to win. He was a little guy but could eat with the big boys. It’s about training the organ to increase capacity. I’m sure some breathing exercises would be helpful if you want to blow the biggest cloud. I don’t have any offhand but I’m sure a quick internet search would turn up something. Kinda like the freedivers mentioned above, do what they do to increase their lung capacity. Best of luck and don’t forget us little people when you hit the big time of cloud competitions.
     
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    I normally have ppl wick me a standard coil (u know those pre-wicked ones).

    Will try those lung exercises to see where I'm at.

    Also can u cloud chase at almost any wattage since its base on the coil that's wicked?
     
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    Basically yes it would be determined by the coil’s ohms. Your never gonna get massive clouds at really low watts but you don’t necessarily need to be a 150+ watts to get huge clouds. Basically anything over 50 watts with the right coil can give you massive clouds. I’m not a cloud chaser so that’s about all the help I can offer. Just based from my knowledge of vaping, you’d need a dedicated cloud chaser to get in depth knowledge on how cloud competitions work. Because I have no idea but I wish you well.
     
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    Thanks. :)

    Of course a wide open airflow and a lot of power to the coils help. My goon 1.5 is running at well above 200 Watts (about 240 to be exact) and the clouds are massive. However that is far from a setup I would recommend for a beginner. (Dual 20700 protected mech (Wismec Luxotic NC unlocked), Goon 1.5, Quad twisted dual coil (4x28ga Ni80) @ 0.24 ohm dual, series mode, max amp draw of 35A @ 8.4V)

    But with the right RDA, you can have some nice clouds at 50 Watts as Rooster stated. The Kennedy RDA should be more than enough for starters. Get a nice dual coil build in there (no need for fancy Staple staggered framed Alien twist stitched, just go with a nice twisted wire or a clapton), put it on your V200, dial in the watts and you're good to go. The rest is experimenting and practice, practice, practice. :)
    That is practicing building and practicing your "vape technique".
    Start slow (with building and your vaping) and work your way up. And remember to always stay safe, you don't need an extremely low resistance for massive clouds.

    Before I forget, the right juice also helps. That means look for juices with a high amount of VG.
     
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    image.jpeg My current coil setup that I just got yesterday. Cloud have gone a little bigger and thicker but I sill wish it could be a little bigger.
     
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    Add a wrap more :)
     
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    I go big.... Alien ... 4 cores... SS316L... A pair.... Ohms (.04).... 7 wraps.....185 watts..... And I get clouds.......[​IMG][​IMG]

    Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk
     
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    for breathing exercises (good if you want to be mindful as well) i like to start at a comfortable number of seconds for inhale then hold for a couple sec then double the inhale time while exhaling, then hold a couple, then add more seconds to the inhale, rinse repeat. see how high you can go with that OP. it's good stuff ime
     
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    update, i have seen lost my invader and kenndy tank. now i have a chance to start over again, something just for cloud chasing and tricks. i still have not gotten a mech mod yet and im still very poor as well. just want to figure out whats nice and cheap. (cheapest would be a clone mech mod as its cheap and a mech mod, thats free from a friend but im scared as fuck
     
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    .04 ohm build? Are you serious? I surely hope not.
     
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    Yeah the only thing that can ramp them up nice and safe is a NLPWM with a 3s to 6s Lipo.......[​IMG][​IMG]

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