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Paul Ryan should go around and scream
I WILL REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA CARE!!
AGAIN!!
Not trumps fault!
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Sorry. Facts are facts.

One, and only one, person could pull the bill.

The rest is simple blather. Trump cannot sign or veto a bill that has not been approved by the house and senate. Watch the cartoon. It's really that simple.
I don't need to watch your cartoon. I'm educated enough to know how it works. I don't need to seek education from cartoons, like you do apparently.

But I do see, you are ignoring the obvious again. Trump had his hands in it, you just won't admit it because you are his little minion. Like it or not, his voters are blaming HIM for the failure.
 

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Then those people should seek to have a bill passed by the house and senate for Trump to sign or veto. If Trump veto's, they'll have something real to be pissed at.
It doesn't matter what you think.

The voters are pissed. The buffoon on the throne won't get another term if he keeps this up. People want change and if he won't get it done, someone else will.
 

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People are drowning in debt over their medical insurance premiums, deductibles, and what they have to pay out of pocket. This is an issue that only gets worse over time.

Most people can't cut a 500 dollar check at any given time.

If Trump is too weak to grab the bull by the horns and get this fixed, voters will latch onto whoever runs against him next (even if their plan is wrong) to find relief.
Trump is allowing the situation to become even MORE desperate than it was before. Nero is fiddling (or playing golf) while Rome burns.

In 12 months, at this rate, people will ditch him. He will see the lowest approval rating that any president ever had. He can blame whoever he wants, but the people WILL blame him. This is Trump's party. It's his JOB to get shit done.

Trump has the opportunity to BE a great leader. So far, he is nothing but a complainer and blame pointer. Surely not a sign of ANYONE who is "great" or memorable.
 

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The bill sucked.

But it sucked less than what we have now.

And it would certainly have been interesting to see which Republicans were willing to vote to keep what we have now.
Still not a reason to vote for something that DOESN'T fix the problem. That's how we got Obummer care to begin with.
 

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Some have nice govt ins or employer insurance. And even employer insurance has gotten worse. Higher premiums and less coverage.
Insurance through employers took a shit after Obummer care. Premiums have alt least doubled, coverage slashed, and out of pocket expenses have went up.

I don't know what the "wellness" part of it was supposed to be. I don't have anything "wellness" related other than some nurse from the insurance company calls once a year to tell you to eat healthy and exercise. There are no "free" screening or any of that shit.
 

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All I know is we sure dodged a bullet in this cheating democrat election.

Thank goodness the Electoral College was in place to prevent the further spread of socialism.
Sure. And the healthcare reform bill wasn't socialism lite, was it? Lol.

Two heads, same snake.
 

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Sure. And the healthcare reform bill wasn't socialism lite, was it? Lol.

Two heads, same snake.

'Obama care' was mostly crafted by the insurance companies.
I had a fullt ime job at Lowes. Health insurance for me and my wife ate 30% of my take home pay.
And the deductables got higher every year and the coverage got less.
 

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I used to pay $7 per pay check for my insurance before Obama care now I'm paying
12 bucks per check!


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I used to pay $7 per pay check for my insurance before Obama care now I'm paying
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You still got a deal.
I was paying over $10 per day.
Plus Lowes was kicking $250.

Obamacare is a bit less.
 

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Still not a reason to vote for something that DOESN'T fix the problem. That's how we got Obummer care to begin with.
Nothing anyone in Washington has proposed will actually fix the problem. It seems not a single person in that town is willing to stand up to the cartel that passes for health care in this country, which has grown to almost 20% of GDP. To fix the problem, truly transparent and competitive pricing must be restored. That could be accomplished by enforcing the various anti-trust and similar laws that are already on the books, and by repealing the ban on re-importing drugs. But of course, cutting health care costs back down to somewhere between 5% and 10% of GDP (where they would be in the absence of the price-fixing that's become the current norm) would cause an instant recession...
 

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Nothing anyone in Washington has proposed will actually fix the problem. It seems not a single person in that town is willing to stand up to the cartel that passes for health care in this country, which has grown to almost 20% of GDP. To fix the problem, truly transparent and competitive pricing must be restored. That could be accomplished by enforcing the various anti-trust and similar laws that are already on the books, and by repealing the ban on re-importing drugs. But of course, cutting health care costs back down to somewhere between 5% and 10% of GDP (where they would be in the absence of the price-fixing that's become the current norm) would cause an instant recession...
Republicans, umpteen times, tried passing legislation that would have outright did away with Obummer care, when Obummer was in office. THAT would have been a start. This time around, no one even proposed it.

You are right though. A lot of fixing needs done to healthcare. But allowing this law to stand and fester is only going to make it worse down the road. This half hearted proposal would not have done a thing.

What's sad, is Trump is the country's elected leader. Don't care who likes it or not. But he isn't acting like a leader. He isn't concerned with filling his promises, nor about standing for something and being consistent.

The only thing consistent is his weekend golf outings and depending on him to tweet something stupid and childish. If he doesn't snap out of it pretty quick, there is going to be a democrat in the Whitehouse in a few years. If we don't go belly up first.

All we'd need right now is a fight with China because Trump want's to dick with that little sawed off bastard in Korea.
 

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I don't need to watch your cartoon. I'm educated enough to know how it works. I don't need to seek education from cartoons, like you do apparently.

But I do see, you are ignoring the obvious again. Trump had his hands in it, you just won't admit it because you are his little minion. Like it or not, his voters are blaming HIM for the failure.

It doesn't matter what you think.

The voters are pissed. The buffoon on the throne won't get another term if he keeps this up. People want change and if he won't get it done, someone else will.

LOL. No.

Sorry, but I heard all about how Trump voters blame Trump before the election about all kinds of shit. He said pussy. He said this, he did that. It turned out to not be true.

Other than the liberals that like your posts, TV pundits and the never Trumpers like McStain and Gramcracker and yourself, nobody is blaming Trump for the Career Politicians in the House failure to pass a fucking bill. They couldn't pass a budget before Trump and they are still Failures.

The GOP Congress has a record for being limp dicked. They haven't had any balls for the last six years and they don't have any now.

And you do need to watch the cartoon. Trump can't make a law on his own. Congress has to pass a bill first. If Congress can't pass a fucking bill, there is no bill for Trump to sign or veto. It's that fucking simple..
 
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LOL. No.

Sorry, but I heard all about how Trump voters blame Trump before the election about all kinds of shit. He said pussy. He said this, he did that. It turned out to not be true.

Other than the liberals that like your posts, TV pundits and the never Trumpers like McStain and Gramcracker and yourself, nobody is blaming Trump for the Career Politicians in the House failure to pass a fucking bill. They couldn't pass a budget before Trump and they are still Failures.

The GOP Congress has a record for being limp dicked. They haven't had any balls for the last six years and they don't have any now.

And you do need to watch the cartoon. Trump can't make a law on his own. Congress has to pass a bill first. If Congress can't pass a fucking bill, there is no bill for Trump to sign or veto. It's that fucking simple..
Oh gee.. You are so special.....

Tell me, all knowing nobody.... How did the ACA get written? It sure wasn't congress that wrote it, now was it? Trump or his team surely COULD author legislation, send it to be sponsored by anyone in power to do so, and move it along the process.

The problem is, Trump and his court of jesters aren't smart enough, nor do they care enough.

I don't really care what you think, living under your rock. What I know is what other people who vote, tell me. I said before he was going to be elected, and he was.

I'm telling you here and now, voters are blaming Trump for the FAILURE of the bill. You might put him on a pedestal, but most are not. His antics are wearing thin with people, especially since he can't get anything done.

We don't need a president that tweets stupid shit all week, then runs off to play golf all weekend. We need a president who takes action. And besides, wasn't it you who talked Trump up about all his "success" as a businessman? What kind of leader is this pig in a poke, showing the world he is? Someone who is successful doesn't sit back and wait for someone else to get the job done. A successful person goes out and gets shit done. That's how they become successful. By DOING something.

But I'm sure you can sympathize with Trump being a hold out. Afterall, you have admitted you do things a certain way to avoid taxes. So you can relate to never living to your full potential and living your life for the excuses you make for yourself. I'm sure you point fingers and blame everyone, like Trump does. Because taking control and responsibility of your own action is more manly than either of you two can handle. I get it. Neither of you two have the guts.
 

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The GOP Congress has a record for being limp dicked. They haven't had any balls for the last six years and they don't have any now.
This is not this first time since the turn of the century that the Reps have had both houses and the presidency.
 

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Trump should play Obama in a round of golf. From what I hear, Trump sucks at golf. That is pretty alarming considering he plays every weekend on courses he owns. I play frisbee golf but its really just an excuse for my friends and I to walk around the woods and get blazed. Seems to help my game, maybe trump should give it a try. Just don't' tell his AG.
 

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Oh gee.. You are so special.....

Tell me, all knowing nobody.... How did the ACA get written? It sure wasn't congress that wrote it, now was it? Trump or his team surely COULD author legislation, send it to be sponsored by anyone in power to do so, and move it along the process.

The problem is, Trump and his court of jesters aren't smart enough, nor do they care enough.

I don't really care what you think, living under your rock. What I know is what other people who vote, tell me. I said before he was going to be elected, and he was.

I'm telling you here and now, voters are blaming Trump for the FAILURE of the bill. You might put him on a pedestal, but most are not. His antics are wearing thin with people, especially since he can't get anything done.

We don't need a president that tweets stupid shit all week, then runs off to play golf all weekend. We need a president who takes action. And besides, wasn't it you who talked Trump up about all his "success" as a businessman? What kind of leader is this pig in a poke, showing the world he is? Someone who is successful doesn't sit back and wait for someone else to get the job done. A successful person goes out and gets shit done. That's how they become successful. By DOING something.

But I'm sure you can sympathize with Trump being a hold out. Afterall, you have admitted you do things a certain way to avoid taxes. So you can relate to never living to your full potential and living your life for the excuses you make for yourself. I'm sure you point fingers and blame everyone, like Trump does. Because taking control and responsibility of your own action is more manly than either of you two can handle. I get it. Neither of you two have the guts.

LOL.

The bill was Paul Ryan's baby and he had 7 years to write it. You think Ryan was going to toss his own baby for a bill written by the Trump administration in a few weeks? Yeah, you're living in reality land. :rolleyes:

The GOP in Congress was supposed to be prepared to repeal Obamacare. The RINO's voted many times to repeal,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,when they knew Obama would not sign it. When it was nothing more than a protest vote. They didn't have to worry about getting any blame. When they got a President that would sign a bill, they fucking backed out.

RINO Romney fucked the repeal in 2012 when he added "and replace" to the end of it during the campaign because the weak fuck was afraid voters would turn against him for taking healthcare away. The rest of the RINOs adopted the "and replace" for their own elections. Now those R's that don't want to replace won't vote for Obamacare lite and the fucking Rinos won't vote for repeal(like they did a few times when it didn't matter) without the "replace".

For you to pretend that the division between Rino's and the Freedom Caucus is Trump's fault is simply obtuse. You literally have to ignore the last seven years and the fact that the R party is divided between Progressive RINOs(progressive, "replace") and Freedom Caucus(libertarian tea party types, repeal only) and expect Trump to fart magic bubbles to make it all go away. It's fucking hilarious.

Of course I avoid taxes. If you think I take that as an insult, you're dumber than I thought. Feel free to pay as much as you like.
 

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LOL.

The bill was Paul Ryan's baby and he had 7 years to write it. You think Ryan was going to toss his own baby for a bill written by the Trump administration in a few weeks? Yeah, you're living in reality land. :rolleyes:

The GOP in Congress was supposed to be prepared to repeal Obamacare. The RINO's voted many times to repeal,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,when they knew Obama would not sign it. When it was nothing more than a protest vote. They didn't have to worry about getting any blame. When they got a President that would sign a bill, they fucking backed out.

RINO Romney fucked the repeal in 2012 when he added "and replace" to the end of it during the campaign because the weak fuck was afraid voters would turn against him for taking healthcare away. The rest of the RINOs adopted the "and replace" for their own elections. Now those R's that don't want to replace won't vote for Obamacare lite and the fucking Rinos won't vote for repeal(like they did a few times when it didn't matter) without the "replace".

For you to pretend that the division between Rino's and the Freedom Caucus is Trump's fault is simply obtuse. You literally have to ignore the last seven years and the fact that the R party is divided between Progressive RINOs(progressive, "replace") and Freedom Caucus(libertarian tea party types, repeal only) and expect Trump to fart magic bubbles to make it all go away. It's fucking hilarious.

Of course I avoid taxes. If you think I take that as an insult, you're dumber than I thought. Feel free to pay as much as you like.
I really don't care WHAT Senate/house members/presidents/dip shits running for president DID in the PAST. You are living in the PAST. Trump is president. Not Obama, not Hilary. We are here today. There isn't a fucking thing you are going to do, complaining about past actions of other people.

Trump made a campaign promise to repeal Obama care. Trump left it in the hands of Ryan to craft the legislation, supported the legislation (before he really even knew what it was), and directed Ryan to pull it IF it wasn't going to get the votes. Trump publically made the decision to move past healthcare IF this didn't pass. No one is saying they (the republicans) aren't to blame. However, Trump is the captain of the ship. Stop acting like a twerp and playing it off like Trump is just a spectator.

The proper political move would have been to present the right bill, and if it fails, leave a list for the voters of who is standing in the way. Let the voters VOTE the road blockers out of office. Trump knows all to well how to use the bully pulpit like Regan did. Trump could tell the people to vote out those in his way, and take total power of the house and senate, just by the suggestion that he would tell the voters to fire those in his way.

I don't hide from taxes. No one LIKES paying them, but to use it as an excuse only holds yourself back. I don't really care what you do. After all, I don't like you to begin with. But I sure don't avoid making money so I can hide from taxes. Matter of fact, I do all I can to make more money. I don't care if I have to pay more taxes, I still have more. The more you make, the more places you can write things off.
 

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I really don't care WHAT Senate/house members/presidents/dip shits running for president DID in the PAST. You are living in the PAST. Trump is president. Not Obama, not Hilary. We are here today. There isn't a fucking thing you are going to do, complaining about past actions of other people.

Trump made a campaign promise to repeal Obama care. Trump left it in the hands of Ryan to craft the legislation, supported the legislation (before he really even knew what it was), and directed Ryan to pull it IF it wasn't going to get the votes. Trump publically made the decision to move past healthcare IF this didn't pass. No one is saying they (the republicans) aren't to blame. However, Trump is the captain of the ship. Stop acting like a twerp and playing it off like Trump is just a spectator.

The proper political move would have been to present the right bill, and if it fails, leave a list for the voters of who is standing in the way. Let the voters VOTE the road blockers out of office. Trump knows all to well how to use the bully pulpit like Regan did. Trump could tell the people to vote out those in his way, and take total power of the house and senate, just by the suggestion that he would tell the voters to fire those in his way.

I don't hide from taxes. No one LIKES paying them, but to use it as an excuse only holds yourself back. I don't really care what you do. After all, I don't like you to begin with. But I sure don't avoid making money so I can hide from taxes. Matter of fact, I do all I can to make more money. I don't care if I have to pay more taxes, I still have more. The more you make, the more places you can write things off.

I do get a good laugh at your backwards ass thinking.

Voting out those that vote no on the bill would replace them with Dims that would also vote no on future bills. How in the fuck does that give Trump more power of the House?

Trump, and the rest of the GOP, don't WANT to lose seats in the House. They don't want the Dims to gain control. How fucking stupid would that be?

I agree with the sentiment but once again, you don't live in reality. The fucking GOP and specifically the Speaker of the House, is NOT going to set up R's for D's to take over the House. You're living in La La Land.

You just bought your first house and you think I'm going to listen to a lecture from you about finance? For fucks sake, you thought that was hard. And no, the more you make does not equate to more you can write off. The more you spend on expenses the more you can write off.
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Lol. You think Trump cares who has the seats, if he is getting what he wants? If he was so repulsed by democrats, he wouldn't have been a Hillary supporter for all those years. The only people that care about their seats, are the people sitting in them. Threaten them to lose their seats, and they'll vote however they have to, to keep that seat.

Don't care what you want to opine. That's how it works.

So what if it was my first house? You dumb enough to think it was my first major purchase? You think all my money is tied into a house? Lol. I spent a lot of years renting for a reason. And it wasn't because I couldn't buy a house.
You have to make money in order to afford the expense to write off. That is unless you like going deeply into debt and paying bankers a fat slice of your money too.
But then, no one is taking "business sense" from you. No one operates their business under your dumb model. "No", said Time, "I don't want that opportunity to make money. I'd have to pay taxes on that money and that doesn't work for me." That explains why you are a nobody and why you come here to feel self important. You are a loser.
 

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Lol. You think Trump cares who has the seats, if he is getting what he wants? If he was so repulsed by democrats, he wouldn't have been a Hillary supporter for all those years. The only people that care about their seats, are the people sitting in them. Threaten them to lose their seats, and they'll vote however they have to, to keep that seat.

Don't care what you want to opine. That's how it works.

So what if it was my first house? You dumb enough to think it was my first major purchase? You think all my money is tied into a house? Lol. I spent a lot of years renting for a reason. And it wasn't because I couldn't buy a house.
You have to make money in order to afford the expense to write off. That is unless you like going deeply into debt and paying bankers a fat slice of your money too.
But then, no one is taking "business sense" from you. No one operates their business under your dumb model. "No", said Time, "I don't want that opportunity to make money. I'd have to pay taxes on that money and that doesn't work for me." That explains why you are a nobody and why you come here to feel self important. You are a loser.

LOL.

You can choose to live life pontificating on what should be. Liberals like their Utopian world view too, as do many libertarians. But it doesn't change how things really are.

In real life, the GOP doesn't want to lose seats to the Dims. In real life, there are progressive RINOs in the House that don't want small government. In real life, Republicans in the House are as full of shit as the Democrats. In real life, the R's in the House are divided. In real life, most of the R's in the House are as corrupt as the D's.

Everything I've said is true. Real live facts. Everything you've said is how you wish things were. You wish that R's would do the right thing if you threaten them with their seats. They won't and they never have. That's fact vs your fiction.

You go ahead and believe in your fake world, I'm sticking with the real world. I'm sticking with real world facts. I might agree that things would be better in your fake world, but it doesn't exist.

Your financial views are much the same, you make up your own vision of my situation and try to pass it off as real. Hell, you even pretended to know how much I sell horses for once. Making up your own fairy tale doesn't upset me, I get a good laugh out of it. So tell me more about,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,me. The real life fact is, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about so you just make up shit.
 

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I guess "working together" only counts when something positive comes from it. So now it's "blame Ryan" when he does what Trump wants.

Somehow the braindead think Trump has no hands in this deal. Granted, he does have SMALL hands, but his hands WERE on this deal, like it or not.

The problem now when the Republicans get into a Curly-Larry-Moe bitchslap fest is they have ALL been chanting Repeal!!! Replace!!! for over seven fucking years. Tweety Bird, being the opportunist he is, rode that train into the White House. They have all been having a communal pissing session about ACA for all this time - yet no one could come up with a replacement plan in 3/4's of a decade that could even get put forward for a vote by their own majority when the time came. Sad, really sad. Trump in specific and Republicans in general all lost bigly credibility over this one.
 

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The problem now when the Republicans get into a Curly-Larry-Moe bitchslap fest is they have ALL been chanting Repeal!!! Replace!!! for over seven fucking years. Tweety Bird, being the opportunist he is, rode that train into the White House. They have all been having a communal pissing session about ACA for all this time - yet no one could come up with a replacement plan in 3/4's of a decade that could even get put forward for a vote by their own majority when the time came. Sad, really sad. Trump in specific and Republicans in general all lost bigly credibility over this one.
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From what I've read they haven't slept in the same bed for years. It's been a long time since Melina's grabbed him by his pussy...

My gut told me from the get-go there was more to that story about the Baron needing to be schooled in NYC than it being a really good school.
 

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COLUMBUS, Oh. It's now illegal for people in Ohio to engage in sexual conduct or related acts with animals.

The state didn't have anti-bestiality laws until the change took effect last week.

According to The Dayton Daily News reports, the measure gained enough votes to pass in December when it was incorporated into a bill that bars local jurisdictions from raising the minimum wage or regulating pet stores.
 

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The problem now when the Republicans get into a Curly-Larry-Moe bitchslap fest is they have ALL been chanting Repeal!!! Replace!!! for over seven fucking years. Tweety Bird, being the opportunist he is, rode that train into the White House. They have all been having a communal pissing session about ACA for all this time - yet no one could come up with a replacement plan in 3/4's of a decade that could even get put forward for a vote by their own majority when the time came. Sad, really sad. Trump in specific and Republicans in general all lost bigly credibility over this one.
Brilliant!
That pretty well sums up that topic. Ok, Let's all be Republicans and move on from this subject.

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