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wow a Hilary voter who doesn't like dissenting political views...what a shock...so you decided to come on over here which you haven't shown your face in, in over a year and start threatening people with censorship under the guise of.......what....The fairness doctrine.....lol...yeah go ahead... after all that worked out so well for ECF...

Come on pulse, you’re not illiterate stop acting like you are.

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Come on pulse, you’re not illiterate stop acting like you are.

There was no threat.
see this is the best you can do..this is your idea of debate, this is what you came here to do.......and then when you get bitch slapped you are gonna run to KP and tell him that those mean old Trumpsters hurt your fat little bottom....get a fucking life...I'm tired of spanking and humilating you for free, the least you could do is pay me...like you do that chick you visit every tuesday.


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@pulsevape you might get this because someone decides they can.............

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Great then VU can go the way that ECF went.when they put dimwitted libtards as mods who went around censoring voices that didn't jibe with their NPC programming.I mean it worked well for them right....and after they cleanse this thread then they can move onto the other thread and get people's minds right.
 
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see this is the best you can do..this is your idea of debate, this is what you came here to do.......and then when you get bitch slapped you are gonna run to KP and tell him that those mean old Trumpsters hurt your fat little bottom....get a fucking life...I'm tired of spanking and humilating you for free, the least you could do is pay me...like you do that chick you visit every tuesday.


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Great then VU can go the way that ECF went.when they put dimwitted libtards as mods who went around censoring voices that didn't jibe with their NPC programming.I mean it worked well for them right....and after they cleanse this thread then they can move onto the other thread and get people's minds right.
Or they can stop coming in this thread to poke and start trouble.
I say the best advice is for the dumbbird and the queenprick stay the fuck out of this thread.
 

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I just don't even know what you mean by the right anymore. Most of us would probably define ourselves more as libertarians than right.

We aren't trying to outlaw abortion in this thread or the other, but don't want it to occur after the first trimester & certainly don't want to pay for it but are pointing out how it is out it has noting to do with a woman's right to choose, has become a baby parts factory for medical research & life extension stem cell therapy as well as a corrupt kickback fund for for Democrat election campaign financing & pocket lining. Don't get me wrong, many on the far right would want it eliminated entirely & that is probably what will happen as a result of their ridiculous stand to make it up to & including live birth.

We are defending Christianity from a full on global assault, but the threads aren't really full of bible thumpers trying to convert everyone, though they certainly exist on the far right.

We are not globalist warmongers advocating for nuking everyone & trying to make the US the world's Policeman. We are tired of unnecessary war.

The KKK has always been a far left organization that masquerades as if it is on the right for political purpose. Real Nazis are socialist leftists, but today you have those neo-nazi groups that claim to be on the right for the same reason the KKK does, so the left can point their fingers at what they are fighting, but they are really funded by the left & we all know it.

True right advocates for open borders for cheap labor, we certainly ain't doing that.

Yeah, you got some far right survivalist militias out there in the woods advocating overthrow of the government.-- Turns out we are all quickly beginning to understand why they have taken that position & are realizing there is a certain amount of truth in what they have been saying for decades.

We want smaller govt & less taxes with great curtailment of the power of the Federal government.

The left has redefined things to practically mean everyone to the right of Bernie Sander is an Alt right NAZI.

Maybe you could define it for me, just what is the far right, right & middle of the road anymore?
That's the thing, nobody knows anymore where they stand. The line is so corrupt and so blurred, you get called a Nazi, a facsist, a racist, etc - granted - we know that those were all left leaning ideals from the start, for having faith in a president that's busting his ass to do the right thing for the people.

I define myself as libertarian notmally... But where's my candidates that are worth a shit? To busy bickering over right and wrong.

I personally don't give a damn what these idiots want. I agree, I don't want anybody to go and have an abortion especially not on my f****** dime. And I've always said time and time again if you didn't want a baby to begin with you should have kept your dick to yourself, or simple, keep your f****** legs closed. And if you're going to put your dick in something or you're going to open your f****** legs like the slut you are, The neither take a pill take a shot shove an IUD in your pussy, or put a f****** condom on. or better yet go get a goddamn job so you can afford those plan B's. But don't go running to the nearest god damn planned parenthood to have a f****** abortion. Or if you are still going to have an abortion do me a favor, And pay for it out of your own goddamn pocket. And remember all of those medications that they pump into your body to kill a fetus is the reason that half of these people can't have kids to begin with. And that's quite all right because I don't need their retardation spreaded throughout my f****** beloved country. or my planet for that matter.

I can be just as radical as the next a****** sure. I'd like to think that I'm a reasonable f****** guy though however some of you assholes have pushed me to my final limit. Stop it, that is why I said earlier stop it. Radicalism breeds radicals. It doesn't matter what side it comes from if it comes from the left it's going to breed radicals on the right if it comes from the right it is going to breed radicals on the left and it's going to be a never-ending cycle of radicalization. Do you not see this? Are you too blind to see it? EJ wants to be a radical racist he's going to get radical racist common after him. The last ones to be radical communists they're going to get radical white supremacist and radical Patriots going after them. People want to be radical feminist they're going to get radical anti-feminists going after them. Do you see how this works?

And I'm not some wrath filled preacher, or a Bible thumper either. I believe there's a lot we - as human fucking beings - could learn from that book right now.

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Well you're certainly free to post it wherever you like...enjoy...I can tell nobody ever took you out and taught you how to fish when you were a kid did they.
Well I got my first boat when I was 12...
that should count.
 

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That's the thing, nobody knows anymore where they stand. The line is so corrupt and so blurred, you get called a Nazi, a facsist, a racist, etc - granted - we know that those were all left leaning ideals from the start, for having faith in a president that's busting his ass to do the right thing for the people.

I define myself as libertarian notmally... But where's my candidates that are worth a shit? To busy bickering over right and wrong.

I personally don't give a damn what these idiots want. I agree, I don't want anybody to go and have an abortion especially not on my f****** dime. And I've always said time and time again if you didn't want a baby to begin with you should have kept your dick to yourself, or simple, keep your f****** legs closed. And if you're going to put your dick in something or you're going to open your f****** legs like the slut you are, The neither take a pill take a shot shove an IUD in your pussy, or put a f****** condom on. or better yet go get a goddamn job so you can afford those plan B's. But don't go running to the nearest god damn planned parenthood to have a f****** abortion. Or if you are still going to have an abortion do me a favor, And pay for it out of your own goddamn pocket. And remember all of those medications that they pump into your body to kill a fetus is the reason that half of these people can't have kids to begin with. And that's quite all right because I don't need their retardation spreaded throughout my f****** beloved country. or my planet for that matter.

I can be just as radical as the next a****** sure. I'd like to think that I'm a reasonable f****** guy though however some of you assholes have pushed me to my final limit. Stop it, that is why I said earlier stop it. Radicalism breeds radicals. It doesn't matter what side it comes from if it comes from the left it's going to breed radicals on the right if it comes from the right it is going to breed radicals on the left and it's going to be a never-ending cycle of radicalization. Do you not see this? Are you too blind to see it? EJ wants to be a radical racist he's going to get radical racist common after him. The last ones to be radical communists they're going to get radical white supremacist and radical Patriots going after them. People want to be radical feminist they're going to get radical anti-feminists going after them. Do you see how this works?

And I'm not some wrath filled preacher, or a Bible thumper either. I believe there's a lot we - as human fucking beings - could learn from that book right now.

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Not sure I agree with you..I think people need to get alot more radical about their beliefs...not violent, but outspoken. The popular paradigm being shoved down our throats hasn't worked too well for the common man.
What's happening now is that since the Mueller circle jerk wound up producing nothing for the Democrats but blue balls, and has opened the door for the investigation of treason by the heads of the intelligence community and most likely crimes by the Obama administration and the heads of the DNC at the time....and since the Democrat debates wound up looking like a scene from one flew over the cuckoo's nest and was a total disaster, and since Epstien maybe spilling the beans on some leading political figures the Dems have nothing they are looking real bad.....they can't call Trump a russian spy ...so now instead of Boris and Natasha under your bed they are back to pushing the White Devil is under your bed myth. Trump is once again a Nazi....and all his supporters are now storm troopers....again....it's all they have left...it's transparent and I think it's wearing thin for most of the country...only the butthurt can't see it,,,and fuck them ,who cares if they follow the corporate propoganda outlets over a cliff.
 
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Not sure I agree with you..I think people need to get alot more radical about their beliefs...not violent, but outspoken. The popular paradigm being shoved down our throats hasn't worked too well for the common man.

But when did it solve anything?

Ever? It solved nothing. It just kept snowballing out of proportion until all that happened was an avalanche of bullshit.

Do I believe we need to maintain our rights? Sure. Do I believe that violence needs to be called out and shot down? Absolutely. But at the end of the day, will becoming a radical change or help? No. Be it violence or ideals... Neither will fix a god damn thing. It will just go into a circular motion. It's like sticking a rat on a wheel - eventually that rat runs over the same shit every time. And yet it continues to run.

The fact that one side pushes, the other side pushes harder - resulting in what we just witnessed. 3 mass shootings in 3 big cities... 2 of them televised, the other wasn't even mentioned. Why not? As I stated in my original response - we don't talk about what mainstream media knows to be our political opposition's territory.

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But when did it solve anything?

Ever? It solved nothing. It just kept snowballing out of proportion until all that happened was an avalanche of bullshit.

Do I believe we need to maintain our rights? Sure. Do I believe that violence needs to be called out and shot down? Absolutely. But at the end of the day, will becoming a radical change or help? No. Be it violence or ideals... Neither will fix a god damn thing. It will just go into a circular motion. It's like sticking a rat on a wheel - eventually that rat runs over the same shit every time. And yet it continues to run.

The fact that one side pushes, the other side pushes harder - resulting in what we just witnessed. 3 mass shootings in 3 big cities... 2 of them televised, the other wasn't even mentioned. Why not? As I stated in my original response - we don't talk about what mainstream media knows to be our political opposition's territory.

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don't swallow the bait dude...those shootings aren't part of anything other than the fucking elite trying to create a boogyeman to pull people's attention away from the fact they committed treason.....you are being wound up by the propoganda mills...go look at the number of shootings and deaths in Chicago this year to date....and nobody gives a fuck ....most of all the media, they bury it...and why do you think that is.

Like I said before you are not going to find common ground with people who think elections don't matter.....I'm with Tpat on this ...I think these shooting are false flags..the elite are creating a problem and then they offer the solution to the problem they created.... their solution is for you to sit down and shut up , hand over your guns and let bussiness run as usual.

radicalisim has solved alot of stuff...the formation of the first Republic since the fall of the Roman republic was a pretty radical event ......
 
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don't swallow the bait dude...those shootings aren't part of anything other than the fucking elite trying to create a boogyeman to pull people's attention away from the fact they committed treason.....you are being wound up by the propoganda mills...go look at the number of shootings and deaths in Chicago this year to date....and nobody gives a fuck ....most of all the media, they bury it...and why do you think that is.

Like I said before you are not going to find common ground with people who think elections don't matter.....I'm with Tpat on this ...I think these shooting are false flags..the elite are creating a problem and then they offer the solution to the problem they created.... their solution is for you to sit down and shut up , hand over your guns and let bussiness run as usual.

radicalisim has solved alot of stuff...the formation of the first Republic since the fall of the Roman republic was a pretty radical event ......
It ain't just about the shootings though... It's overall. Violence breeds violence. Radicalism breeds radicalism. Hate breeds hate. There's no stopping the snowball effect. It's just a matter of time before it escalates beyond the point of no return.

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It ain't just about the shootings though... It's overall. Violence breeds violence. Radicalism breeds radicalism. Hate breeds hate. There's no stopping the snowball effect. It's just a matter of time before it escalates beyond the point of no return.

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great.... go out and offer antifa a flower with your MAGA hat on and see what it gets you....look at South Africa..the Whites of South Africa peacefully handed over power to the communist...and today the Whites of South Africa are going through genocide ...raped and murdered daily and everything they own taken from them....
 

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It ain't just about the shootings though... It's overall. Violence breeds violence. Radicalism breeds radicalism. Hate breeds hate. There's no stopping the snowball effect. It's just a matter of time before it escalates beyond the point of no return.

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I'm open to suggestions. but when free speech is censored there is no possible way to achieve evolution of society. between google, twitter, facebook, and the leftist terrorisim free speech is being killed.

Speaking out aginst the goverment and those in power is not "radical" it is our right under the Constitution... beyond that...it is our duty under the Constitution in order to maintain the Republic.
 
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And it wouldn't necessarily call it swallowing the bait. I'm trying to maintain the mellow head is all.

If anyone is pissed off at the left more than everyone else that would be me. Why because I live in a f****** state that is totally controlled by the left. And when you speak of Chicago understand where Chicago is, And it is right here in the f****** state that I live in. again I know all about Chicago was a matter of fact I hear so much about that f****** city that I want it gone. If it weren't for Chicago all of this tax money that we here in Illinois are paying would be going to fix some of the other f****** areas. But they don't want to do that. they want to tax the s*** out of me every f****** year, take more money out of my pocket when I go to the f****** pump, And Jack the goddamn prices everything this state up to pay for b******* in Chicago.

Now I have no f****** loyalty to this state. None whatsoever, because the area that I live in isn't any better than Chicago. Rather than figuring out who just shot the m*********** down the road from my house, police come and knock on my door asking me why me and so and so got into a fight. And my question to them is why in the f*** are you bothering me at 11:00 at night? Don't you have a goddamn murder to solve or were you two f****** stupid and lost the paperwork for that?

Do you see where I'm going with this? I'm not taking the bait on whatever the mainstream media tells me. because I could f****** care less what the mainstream media tells me. I could also care less what social media tells me. I don't pay too f****** s**** to what those assholes have to say I honestly don't. And around these parts alternative media or bust. What I find absolutely disgusting and I don't know if you've paid much attention to some of the s*** that I've said to some of these people in here, but they're blind hate over a person because they didn't get their way was disgusting. And they're misandry is also very off-putting.

I've gone toe to toe with two of the biggest f****** trolls in this topic. And I think I've done a damn good job of beating their ass into submission. Now occasionally they like to pipe up and say something stupid, And as usual I swing the stick of reason at their face again and they usually shut the f*** up for a bit longer. And that's something else that I'm trying to do I'm trying to be reasonable. because we can't just think about you we can't just think about me we can't just think about our next door neighbor or the people in our neighborhood we got to start thinking collectively as to f****** United States of America. because what happens when people start fighting amongst one another and innocent people end up getting killed it makes me think that the sacrifices that my brothers and sisters made and going overseas kicking in doors and shooting f****** ***** ***** in the face, Was for nothing. It makes me think that the guys and girls that I deployed with and got killed overseas was for nothing. That weighs heavy on guys like us. In the reason that it's so heavy, is because rather than being overseas fighting everybody elses f****** wars we could have been over here fighting our own. And it also begs the question, if we can unite when a foreign country invades us and kills our people, Why the f*** can't we unite when Americans are killing one another?

And I ain't saying go hug someone in antifa either. If they don't want to have an open discussion, fuck em. You can't save everyone. You can't. You can try - but at your own peril. Pick and choose the battles you're willing to fight. Some people can be reasoned with - others, not so much.

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Like I said before you are not going to find common ground with people who think elections don't matter.....I'm with Tpat on this ...I think these shooting are false flags..the elite are creating a problem and then they offer the solution to the problem they created.... their solution is for you to sit down and shut up , hand over your guns and let bussiness run as usual.

Remember just because I call a shooting a false flag, doesn't mean some people might not have really been shot, although I believe they primarily use Simunition training rounds that hurt like hell, leave visible marks or minor wounds on the body & can kill if they hit certain areas on the body during them, doesn't mean they don't throw in a couple real ones along the way for effect /realism or throw caution to the wind & wipe em all out. Ain't like they give a fuck about life when it comes to achieving their end goals.

Just means the event is not what it is reported to be and was staged on purpose. Most of these false flags "deaths" do not wind up being reflected in shooting statistics for a given state or area when the numbers are compiled just as we saw with the Vegas Massacre, those "deaths" are not included for Vegas in the official shooting crime statics the FBI issued to Congress for that year.
 
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Remember just because I call a shooting a false flag, doesn't mean some people might not have really been shot, although I believe they primarily use Simunition training rounds that hurt like hell & can kill if they hit certain areas on the body during them, doesn't mean they don't throw in a couple real ones along the way for effect /realism. Ain't like they give a fuck about life when it comes to achieving their end goals.
They shot JFK to maintain power..if they can shoot a sitting president a few hundred poor powerless citizens ain't nothing to them.
 

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And it wouldn't necessarily call it swallowing the bait. I'm trying to maintain the mellow head is all.

If anyone is pissed off at the left more than everyone else that would be me. Why because I live in a f****** state that is totally controlled by the left. And when you speak of Chicago understand where Chicago is, And it is right here in the f****** state that I live in. again I know all about Chicago was a matter of fact I hear so much about that f****** city that I want it gone. If it weren't for Chicago all of this tax money that we here in Illinois are paying would be going to fix some of the other f****** areas. But they don't want to do that. they want to tax the s*** out of me every f****** year, take more money out of my pocket when I go to the f****** pump, And Jack the goddamn prices everything this state up to pay for b******* in Chicago.

Now I have no f****** loyalty to this state. None whatsoever, because the area that I live in isn't any better than Chicago. Rather than figuring out who just shot the m*********** down the road from my house, police come and knock on my door asking me why me and so and so got into a fight. And my question to them is why in the f*** are you bothering me at 11:00 at night? Don't you have a goddamn murder to solve or were you two f****** stupid and lost the paperwork for that?

Do you see where I'm going with this? I'm not taking the bait on whatever the mainstream media tells me. because I could f****** care less what the mainstream media tells me. I could also care less what social media tells me. I don't pay too f****** s**** to what those assholes have to say I honestly don't. And around these parts alternative media or bust. What I find absolutely disgusting and I don't know if you've paid much attention to some of the s*** that I've said to some of these people in here, but they're blind hate over a person because they didn't get their way was disgusting. And they're misandry is also very off-putting.

I've gone toe to toe with two of the biggest f****** trolls in this topic. And I think I've done a damn good job of beating their ass into submission. Now occasionally they like to pipe up and say something stupid, And as usual I swing the stick of reason at their face again and they usually shut the f*** up for a bit longer. And that's something else that I'm trying to do I'm trying to be reasonable. because we can't just think about you we can't just think about me we can't just think about our next door neighbor or the people in our neighborhood we got to start thinking collectively as to f****** United States of America. because what happens when people start fighting amongst one another and innocent people end up getting killed it makes me think that the sacrifices that my brothers and sisters made and going overseas kicking in doors and shooting f****** towel heads in the face, Was for nothing. It makes me think that the guys and girls that I deployed with and got killed overseas was for nothing. That weighs heavy on guys like us. In the reason that it's so heavy, is because rather than being overseas fighting everybody elses f****** wars we could have been over here fighting our own. And it also begs the question, if we can unite when a foreign country invades us and kills our people, Why the f*** can't we unite when Americans are killing one another?

And I ain't saying go hug someone in antifa either. If they don't want to have an open discussion, fuck em. You can't save everyone. You can't. You can try - but at your own peril. Pick and choose the battles you're willing to fight. Some people can be reasoned with - others, not so much.

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I whole heartedly agree ....who the fuck would want to start a war rather than go fishing today..there is about a million and one things I'd rather do, but then I'm sure my ancestors could have figured out a better way to spend their time rather than fighting a revolution against the British...the common man wants to avoid violence at all cost and only do it in order to head off further violence.but throughout history they had no choice.
 

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And I answered where I’d start..I also said I don’t have the answers. I'm not being obtuse, I’m just trying to make sense of your replies.

I led a few pages back with is there common ground and three of you replied yes (you don’t have the world stage on this forum just a handful of you) ...so my point is simple, why not pick one topic and work through it together, doesn't have to be right or “the answer” but it’s easier the the wall of text of everything is wrong then having a flame war over it...

Say voting systems (as an example) - what’s wrong with it from different stands points at present (for those who don’t know about it including me outside of potential rigging), then discuss what could be done to improve it as an example... then other people can engage in the discussion which I think is what Tpat was after I’m I’m not mistaken?

just trying to make sense of the purpose of these political threads where they started at and how they evolved since.
This is the troll pit. Anyone that disagrees with another is promptly put down for who they are, rather than their point of view. The only friendly banter will be between the right wing extremists that fail to recognize that anyone can be a centrist. Example? Look at "pulsevape". That human piece of shit is so closed minded that he makes Hitler look like a saint. Casketcase is no better. If they had their way, ej and I would be banned from this thread, just for the crime of not being right wing extremists.
 

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This is the troll pit. Anyone that disagrees with another is promptly put down for who they are, rather than their point of view. The only friendly banter will be between the right wing extremists that fail to recognize that anyone can be a centrist. Example? Look at "pulsevape". That human piece of shit is so closed minded that he makes Hitler look like a saint. Casketcase is no better. If they had their way, ej and I would be banned from this thread, just for the crime of not being right wing extremists.
looks like somebody is sucking the glass dick tonight.........you know...if your probation officer finds out you are fucked...ban EJ perish the thought....I don't even want you banned....and you are a stone cold cretin...."makes Hitler look like a saint"....my first wife was a Jew from Paris..her grandparents were from the Warsaw ghetto.,,,I'm gonna suggest from now on when you feel the urge to post something...you say it out loud three times and see if it sounds bat shit crazy first....but then again how would you know....bat shit crazy is just another day in the neighborhood for you. tell you what .....say it three times to your hound dog and see if he thinks it's bat shit crazy.

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looks like somebody is sucking the glass dick tonight.........you know...if your probation officer finds out you are fucked...ban EJ perish the thought....I don't even want you banned....and you are a stone cold cretin...."makes Hitler look like a saint"....my first wife was a Jew from Paris..her grandparents were from the Warsaw ghetto.,,,I'm gonna suggest from now on when you feel the urge to post something...you say it out loud three times and see if it sounds bat shit crazy first....but then again how would you know....bat shit crazy is just another day in the neighborhood for you. tell you what .....say it three times to your hound dog and see if he thinks it's bat shit crazy.

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I'll bet you know all about sucking on glass dicks. You know, the ones with the little whole you smoke ***** through.

I didn't say a fucking thing about you hating Jews. I implied you are a right wing extremist and a hateful jackass. Get your shit straight. Perhaps your boyfriend can help you with that.
 
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take a moment to think about the Propaganda Manipulations being employed upon you and ask yourselves "Is this Real?" and you will be much better off. Then ask yourselves WHO BENEFITS?
When you eventually arrive at the conclusion it is your own political party's leadership that benefits from perpetrating these horrific acts,

Funny. I thought it was the banking cabal that profited, benefited. It seems that as Smedley Butler writes,

Then what caused our government to change its mind so suddenly?
Money.
An allied commission, it may be recalled, came over shortly before the
war declaration and called
on the President. The President summoned a group of advisers. The head of the commission spoke.
Stripped of its diplomatic language, this is what he told the President and his group:
"There is no use kidding ourselves any longer. The cause of the allies is lost. We now owe you
(American bankers, American munitions makers, American manufacturers, American speculators,
American exporters) five or six billion dollars.
If we lose (and without the help of the United States we must lose) we, England, France and Italy,
cannot pay back this money . . . and Germany won't.
So . . . "
Had secrecy been outlawed as far as war negotiations were concerned,
and had the press been
invited to be present at that conference, or had radio been
available to broadcast the proceedings,
America never would have entered the World War. But this conference, like all war discussions,
was shrouded in utmost secrecy. When our boys were sent off to war they were told it was a "war to
make the world safe for democracy" and a "war to end all wars."
... It's long been every war a banker's war, all war for the purpose of bankers creating profit & death.

I think it can also be seen in another quote.

"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws!"

Mayer Amschel Rothschild, attributed by Gertrude M. Coogan (1935),[5] or maxim of the House of Rothschild as attributed by one Mr. Daniel (1914).[6]

Although there's more involved to the history of those words. My point being is that it has long been accepted common knowledge by way of facts, axioms, maxims that bankers in use of money create wars. Even the Christian Bible condemns the practice of serving Mammon.

So in my opinion, it has nothing to do with "political party's leadership" but rather the bankers and truly evil ones that profit. Further, I'm not of any political party, not even listed as independent. Anarchy is not recognized as a political party, especially when one holds to the philosophy of no slave or master and the unity of us all. I don't get into political crap other than to laugh at the blindness and lament of the corruption. You were making it a point that "political party's leadership" are the ones profiting. I disagree & do not mind if you continue holding your line of thought. I've stated my disagreement and provided my alternate opinion.

Seems that is what anyone can do here, provide opinion. No, I'm still not a Christian. Does not mean I cannot grasp the wisdom given by Christ. My faith I place in love, love has been used as the name of G*d many a time by many a person. I'm still agnostic in as much as I can only honesty answer "I don't know nor do I think it is something we can know," as regards the question; Does G*d exist? If you choose faith in G*d, I say bless you. I hope you'll know by His wisdom that I mean no disrespect nor malice.
 

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I asked you how you are going to find common ground with people who are attempting to strip the people of their rights

Remind them of the axiom, "what is good for the goose is good for the gander." In other words point out that if they strip you of a right they also remove that right from themselves. More simply, you enact True Justice & Equality.

All are equal to the Law. That to me seems like some common ground.
 

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It ain't just about the shootings though... It's overall. Violence breeds violence. Radicalism breeds radicalism. Hate breeds hate. There's no stopping the snowball effect. It's just a matter of time before it escalates beyond the point of no return.

BUMP!

Holy flying donkey chips. Someone actually comprehends life, and just maybe, hopefully, "live and let live"?

Thank you for stating the above. Hopefully it can deescalate here on this forum. It saddens me to see all the vitriol slung on this forum. Again, thank you.
 

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Or they can stop coming in this thread to poke and start trouble.
I say the best advice is for the dumbbird and the queenprick stay the fuck out of this thread.

read back from my post on 606 you'll see who first instigates the escalation as is the case more often than not ;) looking at the wrong persons to lay blame on.

It ain't just about the shootings though... It's overall. Violence breeds violence. Radicalism breeds radicalism. Hate breeds hate. There's no stopping the snowball effect. It's just a matter of time before it escalates beyond the point of no return.

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It ain't just about the shootings though... It's overall. Violence breeds violence. Radicalism breeds radicalism. Hate breeds hate. There's no stopping the snowball effect. It's just a matter of time before it escalates beyond the point of no return.

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That actually is why we sort of invaded this safe space to a degree, to engage the left in discourse to exchange ideas & viewpoints & hear their ideas for solutions, but so far ain't seen a single one from anyone including every one of the mods (except for Sick on occasion) who listen to our suggestions, yet offer no real solution to curb the dangerous behavior of the left & bring them to the table to find common ground. You who identifies as old left & now you classify as libertarian and we agree on most points.

Trump was old left, a Democrat for Decades & Dems begged him to run for President time & again until the party ran to the left in collusion with the witch & he had no choice but to go right. Doesn't mean he isn't the same person he always was. He can't get the left to work with him to find reasonable solutions to almost anything except apparently Red Flag Laws & Gun control & as soon as he ties that to immigration reform, that will fall apart... Hopefully.

I've seen Pulse asks the question time & again & he is justifiably pissed off he can't get an answer... How do we find common ground with a group who has gone insane & cannot hold a reasonable discussion of issues because they are either low information voters, actively participating in subversion, or unable to discuss issues reasonably? All we hear is Racist, Troll, White Supremacist, Misogynist, etc & what we consider racist threats again white people that are just every bit as bad as calling someone the word (but Mods do nothing about that behavior) and a foreshadowing of an actual planned future genocide in the making that Democrats are promoting...We literally have a sitting Congressman & Presidential Candidate publishing the names & addresses of Trump Donor/supporters after a mass shooting in an attempt to get someone killed when the inevitable happens. Not one voice from the left condemns this rhetoric or calls on him to resign his office.

I personally hope the hell Trump starts tossing these jackasses in jail wholesale & mobilizes the National guard to take these ANTIFA jackasses off the street once & for all. See how fast the left comes to the negotiating table then. If they don't - fu*kem. Enough is enough.

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Trump should have lobbed a missile into the middle Eric Smidt's Google EcoSummit to take out a good portion of the elite pulling the strings on this shitshow & nipped this crap in the bud before it gets any worse.
 
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Funny. I thought it was the banking cabal that profited, benefited. It seems that as Smedley Butler writes,


... It's long been every war a banker's war, all war for the purpose of bankers creating profit & death.

I think it can also be seen in another quote.



Although there's more involved to the history of those words. My point being is that it has long been accepted common knowledge by way of facts, axioms, maxims that bankers in use of money create wars. Even the Christian Bible condemns the practice of serving Mammon.

So in my opinion, it has nothing to do with "political party's leadership" but rather the bankers and truly evil ones that profit. Further, I'm not of any political party, not even listed as independent. Anarchy is not recognized as a political party, especially when one holds to the philosophy of no slave or master and the unity of us all. I don't get into political crap other than to laugh at the blindness and lament of the corruption. You were making it a point that "political party's leadership" are the ones profiting. I disagree & do not mind if you continue holding your line of thought. I've stated my disagreement and provided my alternate opinion.

Seems that is what anyone can do here, provide opinion. No, I'm still not a Christian. Does not mean I cannot grasp the wisdom given by Christ. My faith I place in love, love has been used as the name of G*d many a time by many a person. I'm still agnostic in as much as I can only honesty answer "I don't know nor do I think it is something we can know," as regards the question; Does G*d exist? If you choose faith in G*d, I say bless you. I hope you'll know by His wisdom that I mean no disrespect nor malice.
I actually couldn't agree more. Wrote a list of observations in response to KingPin (as did Pulse) stating just that in many way a few pages back & I even proposed some solutions to start out to fix it (for starters).

Just what are your solutions? I'm looking forward to reading your list!

FYI - I made the point of it being "Your party's leadership" because some seem to lack the ability to see beyond party and I was speaking to someone who regularly rails against republicans as if they are cancer in terms I though they may better understand.

Even though I know EJ's list will probably read "Burn it all down", I look forward to reading his & Sarah's too.
 
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I'll bet you know all about sucking on glass dicks. You know, the ones with the little whole you smoke ***** through.

I didn't say a fucking thing about you hating Jews. I implied you are a right wing extremist and a hateful jackass. Get your shit straight. Perhaps your boyfriend can help you with that.
Um,,dear in that one room trailer you went to school in,,,did they tell you Hitler was a Socialist..mandated gun control, control of the media.,universal health care...kinda like every member of the DNC who is running for president...So if Jew Hate is not the reason you called me worse than Hitler...what is...the fact that I sent my army to invaded Poland....

You are such a typical libtard...What tiny tiny bit of History you do know...you either lie about or ignore.....but learn from it...oh hell no
 
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read back from my post on 606 you'll see who first instigates the escalation as is the case more often than not ;) looking at the wrong persons to lay blame on.



well said
So tell me Ghandi...how exactlly do you have a dialouge with an imbecile fuck who says you're worse than Hitler......don't bother answering ...please..the question is rhetorical.
 

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So tell me Ghandi...how exactlly do you have a dialouge with an imbecile fuck who says you're worse than Hitler......don't bother answering ...please..the question is rhetorical.
I realize you are being abrasively insulting to illicit self introspection & a response out of frustration, but toning it down a tad at this point might not be a bad idea Pulse...
 

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Remind them of the axiom, "what is good for the goose is good for the gander." In other words point out that if they strip you of a right they also remove that right from themselves. More simply, you enact True Justice & Equality.

All are equal to the Law. That to me seems like some common ground.
No I don't think you're gonna sell that to the rank and file democrat any time soon....the last President they elected and his secretary of state weaponized the intelligence community to overthrow the legally elected goverment of the US....and they don't give a fuck, they are not demanding they be jailed or executed..hell they are doing their damndest to make sure the whole thing never sees the light of day..and if any Democrat candidate brought the subject up the rank and file democrat would nuke his home...they are actively shielding 30 million forgien nationals who have crossed our borders illegally and encouraging others to do the same....No they are way way above such trivalities as law....there is one law for Americans and no law for them....this lawlessness is one of the main reasons Trump got elected...it drove alot of life long democrats to vote for Trump....but they don't seem to have learned from that mistake..... or they have another angle hoping perhaps they are able to get amnsety for the millions of illegal aliens and thus make the American votes that leave the party irrelevant.
No they have a higher law...a moral code that supercedes the mundane secular rag we call the Constitution...and this law gives them carte blanche to break whatever man made law the citizens enact...and like the zealots of Islam or the Inquisition, these zealots have a heaven sent permission to committ whatever crime they want in order to create what they and they alone see as Social Justice.
 
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I realize you are being abrasively insulting to illicit self introspection & a response out of frustration, but toning it down a tad at this point might not be a bad idea Pulse...
I don't think self introspection is something they are interested in, or capable of....they are more interested in control and suppresion, and threats.
 
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I actually couldn't agree more. Wrote a list of observations in response to KingPin (as did Pulse) stating just that in many way a few pages back & I even proposed some solutions to start out to fix it (for starters).

Just what are your solutions? I'm looking forward to reading your list!

FYI - I made the point of it being "Your party's leadership" because some seem to lack the ability to see beyond party and I was speaking to someone who regularly rails against republicans as if they are cancer in terms I though they may better understand.

Even though I know EJ's list will probably read "Burn it all down", I look forward to reading his & Sarah's too.

I kind of agree with EJ. It all needs routed out and new system put in place. I'd like to see some form of resource based economy where everyone has access to everything but owns nothing. The Earth is meant for all of us, this generation and the next.

All the corruption over power seems ultimately to boil down to control being the prize. I say grant everyone the right of Queen or King as fits. Justice for the most part could be served by juries of 12 with a judge being the tie breaker, and these juries would the town/village elders nominated case by case. about 95 to 98% of it would be based upon simple "contracting" rule.

You break an oath or contract this goes against your reputation until a town/ village stops "doing business" with you, towns could tell neighboring town of your "twisted" dealings. Eventually you'll either catch on or starve, except that won't starve as society as a whole will still offer you the "basics" of life. If you want access to better goods, services you'll need to rely upon your merit.

I've looked at a system called Ubuntu Contributionism. Yeah, I see the "ism" and nearly cringe away as well. Still it seems to hold some merit and be looking to go in a direction that I see could be sustained and offers equality to all. Barter works as mid gap economy along with gifting, PIF, I've even thought time based money would help ease to a no money society.

I can admit though. I'm one person alone and granted I'll not have "all the answers". I think though we all ought to start trying "something different" as we can all seem to agree that what is the "here and now" is going to Hell. This will be exacerbated with the impending onset of full automation, there will a purge of human employees as automation takes over due to "capital" not wanting to pay humans $15 hrly plus benefits.

We can thank those McDonald's workers demanding that for the rush to bring automation on quicker. I think "capital" might have agreed to stay $10 hrly with benefits, but, as usual greed set in. People desire access to "better", "more". They want "control". Well they'll still not get having all the copious "free time" they'll have without "just over brokes - jobs". No, they'll have to be finding ways to simply survive. I don't think our "social safety net" as it stands will last much longer. Which is another shame posited directly at the feet of greed.

So in short, yes, think I agree with EJ. It all needs burnt down, let nature renew herself as I've posted a few times before. I think ultimately people will surprise themselves. I especially like these nuggets of wisdom.

“It is difficult to bring people to goodness with lessons, but it is easy to do so by example.” ― Seneca

“It is a rough road that leads to the heights of greatness.” ― Seneca

“It's not because things are difficult that we dare not venture. It's because we dare not venture that they are difficult.” ― Lucius Annaeus Seneca

“It is the power of the mind to be unconquerable.” ― Seneca

“True happiness is to enjoy the present, without anxious dependence upon the future, not to amuse ourselves with either hopes or fears but to rest satisfied with what we have, which is sufficient, for he that is so wants nothing. The greatest blessings of mankind are within us and within our reach. A wise man is content with his lot, whatever it may be, without wishing for what he has not.” ― Seneca

Yes, I'm a stoic and cynic at times. *chuckles* No one can be perfect. :)
 
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