GOVERNMENT WATCH!!

[fraleywp]

The president drives the agenda Obama campaigned on healthcare so did Trump . The responsibility rests on them . Why do you think it was called Obamacare? By all media ?
If I want your opinion I'll turn on MSNBC . Cause you can't answer a simple question . I have made my thoughts clear to you . I don't think the government should run healthcare. I don't think I should bear the burden of some lazy fuck . Healthcare is not a right . Jobs with healthcare will fix the problem . And you are a pointless parrot .
Take a lesson from Ej or bird I don't always see it their way but most times they show me my mistake or change my mind that's what dissuasion does they back what they say . They answer questions directly. You do not because your not capable. You are a party puppet you just to dumb to know it . Now go snuggle with Cromwell. The government will take care of you . You don't need to do a thing sweetie!


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What fucking question have you asked? Did I say it was ridiculous to call it obamacare? Yes. I answered that a long time back. Do you have another question or just more bs?

For someone who claims they aren't a sheeple you certainly like to hide behind party lines. I don't fucking watch fox news, msnbc, or CNN to form my opinions. I learned a long time ago how to read between the lines.

I won't blame Trump for any final bill that gets passed by Congress. You are a victim of the game. Presidents have term limits while Congress does not. So they always get to blame the person who is no longer there. Just like at work. This is the managing and shifting of blame I referred to earlier.

News flash, the president cannot pass a single fucking bill into law. The best he can do is an executive order and that only applies while he is in office. It doesn't require an act of Congress to repeal when a new president comes along. You have fallen for all their bullshit by focusing on blame and not the real problem. Congratulations genius.

 

[Rossum]

Dude, what the fuck are you talking about? Do you know how trickle down economics was proposed? Give all the breaks to the wealthy and powerful and they will take care of the pee-ons. That is absolutely a redistribution of wealth.

It didn't work for us pee-ons. It did great for the rich and powerful.

It is not "redistribution" to let anyone keep what they've earned, even if they're wealthy and powerful.

 

[The Cromwell]

It is not "redistribution" to let anyone keep what they've earned, even if they're wealthy and powerful.

To keep what they have earned or what someone working for them has earned for them?

Is investing earning money?

Is gambling on the stock market earning money?

 

[fraleywp]

It is not "redistribution" to let anyone keep what they've earned, even if they're wealthy and powerful.

Bullshit. If you give them an unfair tax break you are taking it away from someone else. That is redistribution.

 

[The Cromwell]

I support a PURE flat rate personal income tax with no deductions.
You make 20K and have 5 kids you pay 5%.
You make 20K and have no kids you pay 5%
You make 2 million and have kids or not you pay 5%.
You own a house or second house or not you pay 5%
You made 1 billion on the stock market you pay 5%.

 

[ej1024]

I support a PURE flat rate personal income tax with no deductions.
You make 20K and have 5 kids you pay 5%.
You make 20K and have no kids you pay 5%
You make 2 million and have kids or not you pay 5%.
You own a house or second house or not you pay 5%
You made 1 billion on the stock market you pay 5%.

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[The Cromwell]

Think of how much money the govt could save on the IRS dept?
And parasitic industries like HR Block would only have corporate clients and not be supported by personal income taxes.
Talk about a personal income tax short form filing.
You had unreported income or not, that is it.
No refunds.
If you had no unreported income no additional tax paid at filing.

 

[Arthur]

What fucking question have you asked? Did I say it was ridiculous to call it obamacare? Yes. I answered that a long time back. Do you have another question or just more bs?

For someone who claims they aren't a sheeple you certainly like to hide behind party lines. I don't fucking watch fox news, msnbc, or CNN to form my opinions. I learned a long time ago how to read between the lines.

I won't blame Trump for any final bill that gets passed by Congress. You are a victim of the game. Presidents have term limits while Congress does not. So they always get to blame the person who is no longer there. Just like at work. This is the managing and shifting of blame I referred to earlier.

News flash, the president cannot pass a single fucking bill into law. The best he can do is an executive order and that only applies while he is in office. It doesn't require an act of Congress to repeal when a new president comes along. You have fallen for all their bullshit by focusing on blame and not the real problem. Congratulations genius.

I will blame Trump for the new healthcare bill yes it goes thru congress but it's the presidents ultimate decision. Healthcare is a no win for any president. I do blame Obama for getting involved in it and the way they went about it . Forcing people to buy a product if you don't pay a penalty. How does that help the poor ? How does that help anyone ? Now we will have to bailout these insurance companies. It's a bad deal for everyone and proves government can not run anything . Should there be regulation to reduce cost ? Yes . Big pharmaceutical are making insane profits. Medical device manufacturers big profits . Insurance is a business not a welfare program . It's fucked beyond repair now . The spineless republican s should of stopped it ! Tho none voted for it . We all loose with this . Especially working class people that have to bear the burden of it .
See you on the bread line comrade


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[Arthur]

I support a PURE flat rate personal income tax with no deductions.
You make 20K and have 5 kids you pay 5%.
You make 20K and have no kids you pay 5%
You make 2 million and have kids or not you pay 5%.
You own a house or second house or not you pay 5%
You made 1 billion on the stock market you pay 5%.

Ahh we both agree on this Cromwell!


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[Arthur]

To keep what they have earned or what someone working for them has earned for them?

Is investing earning money?

Is gambling on the stock market earning money?

Yes investing and stock market are earning money your taking a risk with your money . If your wealthy or not wealthy you should keep most of what you earn .


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[The Cromwell]

Yes investing and stock market are earning money your taking a risk with your money . If your wealthy or not wealthy you should keep most of what you earn .


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I agree for long term investments. But day trading is just gambling and causes instability and inflated values.

 

[Arthur]

I agree for long term investments. But day trading is just gambling and causes instability and inflated values.

True but your still risking your money , win or loose it's yours . It's legal gambling. Most loose very few win big unless you know something then your in criminal area .


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[Arthur]

I guess my point is I bust my ass to survive I have a small house on a 50x100 lot that I pay 11k a year in property tax on top of 10 k year to send my kid to private school . I drive a 12 year old car and have worked for the same company for 26 years that I hate I pay for my healthcare every week thru my paycheck ( my company contributes half . I can't even die and leave my kid my savings without the state taking half . So it pisses me off when someone wants to reach in my pocket for more of my money . I can't give anymore I should not have too I'm doing what I'm supposed to do and being responsible for my family why do I need to pay for someone who doesn't ? What happens when there are no longer people that do this ? Who's gonna pay then ? You start to feel like a sucker because your trying to make your own life .


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[The Cromwell]

True but your still risking your money , win or loose it's yours . It's legal gambling. Most loose very few win big unless you know something then your in criminal area .


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So should casino gains be taxed at the same rate as day trading in the market?

 

[The Cromwell]

I guess my point is I bust my ass to survive I have a small house on a 50x100 lot that I pay 11k a year in property tax on top of 10 k year to send my kid to private school . I drive a 12 year old car and have worked for the same company for 26 years that I hate I pay for my healthcare every week thru my paycheck ( my company contributes half . I can't even die and leave my kid my savings without the state taking half . So it pisses me off when someone wants to reach in my pocket for more of my money . I can't give anymore I should not have too I'm doing what I'm supposed to do and being responsible for my family why do I need to pay for someone who doesn't ? What happens when there are no longer people that do this ? Who's gonna pay then ? You start to feel like a sucker because your trying to make your own life .


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So why should someone who has millions pay a lower tax rate than you do when their income is just gambling and yours is actually EARNED income from your work?

 

[Arthur]

Most wealthy do not pay a lower rate I pay 20 percent. On average rich pay 25 to 27 percent


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[ej1024]

Most wealthy do not pay a lower rate I pay 20 percent. On average rich pay 25 to 27 percent


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Ur rich
You'll never understand dude!


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[Arthur]

Ur rich
You'll never understand dude!


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I'm rich ? Not by the slightest means . I live in the most heavily taxed area in the USA I bearly keep my head above water . Check to check if that's rich in your book .


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[fraleywp]

I guess my point is I bust my ass to survive I have a small house on a 50x100 lot that I pay 11k a year in property tax on top of 10 k year to send my kid to private school . I drive a 12 year old car and have worked for the same company for 26 years that I hate I pay for my healthcare every week thru my paycheck ( my company contributes half . I can't even die and leave my kid my savings without the state taking half . So it pisses me off when someone wants to reach in my pocket for more of my money . I can't give anymore I should not have too I'm doing what I'm supposed to do and being responsible for my family why do I need to pay for someone who doesn't ? What happens when there are no longer people that do this ? Who's gonna pay then ? You start to feel like a sucker because your trying to make your own life .


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I completely agree. But we are going to pay for it anyway. I would rather we find a way to be smart about it.

 

[fraleywp]

Most wealthy do not pay a lower rate I pay 20 percent. On average rich pay 25 to 27 percent


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Don't confuse upper middle class with the top few percentile. Trump hasn't paid taxes in years upon years.

 

[Rossum]

Don't confuse upper middle class with the top few percentile. Trump hasn't paid taxes in years upon years.

Didn't Rachel Madcow thoroughly debunked the "Trump doesn't pay taxes" myth?

 

[fraleywp]

Didn't Rachel Madcow thoroughly debunk the "Trump doesn't pay taxes" myth?

Kind of hard to debunk something when the details are not released. Simply heresy and spin at that point.

 

[Arthur]

Don't confuse upper middle class with the top few percentile. Trump hasn't paid taxes in years upon years.

Top 1 percent pay the majority of tax collected . Trump paid 25 percent


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[fraleywp]

Top 1 percent pay the majority of tax collected . Trump paid 25 percent


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BS

 

[Arthur]

BS

Look it up . What percentage you forking over ?


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[fraleywp]

Look it up . What percentage you forking over ?


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If I were to tell you that you would know my income. Under his proposed tax plan I would be over 30%.

How do you look up something when the person refuses to share his tax filings. No way to know.

 

[Arthur]

If I were to tell you that you would know my income. Under his proposed tax plan I would be over 30%.

How do you look up something when the person refuses to share his tax filings. No way to know.

The tax files they have that's how


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[fraleywp]

The tax files they have that's how


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What tax files would that be? From 10 years ago?

 

[Arthur]

If I were to tell you that you would know my income. Under his proposed tax plan I would be over 30%.

How do you look up something when the person refuses to share his tax filings. No way to know.

I don't really care how much you make but the fact that your willing to throw away 30 percent of what you make and willing to pay more tells me everything.


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[Arthur]

What tax files would that be? From 10 years ago?

Yup, see you know things !


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[fraleywp]

I don't really care how much you make but the fact that your willing to throw away 30 percent of what you make and willing to pay more tells me everything.


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I am not willing to throw away 30 percent. That is what trumps plan wants to take from me.

 

[ej1024]

I'm already paying 35%
Wtf you guys complaining about


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[fraleywp]

Yup, see you know things !


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I know that using 10 year old data and saying it is still valid today is useless. He himself stated he uses loopholes to avoid paying taxes.

 

[Arthur]

I'm already paying 35%
Wtf you guys complaining about


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You got too much money dude !


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[Arthur]

You got too much money dude !


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You and flappy are liberal elites !


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[Whiskey]

 

[Arthur]

I know that using 10 year old data and saying it is still valid today is useless. He himself stated he uses loopholes to avoid paying taxes.

Yes so does everyone? What's the point?


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[ej1024]

You got too much money dude !


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If that's the case
MY TAXES SHOULD BE FUCKING LOW!


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[ej1024]

You and flappy are liberal elites !


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JESUS WAS


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[Arthur]

If that's the case
MY TAXES SHOULD BE FUCKING LOW!


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Your a elitist Ej !


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[Time]

You sound butt hurt about someth8ng you can't even quantify. How much has it costed you?

You will pay for it regardless. This is not something new that started with the healthcare act. Stop believing fake news.

I'm afraid you are sadly misinformed.

Before Obamacare, States had their own methods of paying for indigent care. For instance, in this State, Counties were required to pay indigent hospital bills. The money, of course, came from property tax. So, in theory, once Obamacare became law there should be no indigent care as everyone should be covered. Did my property tax go down? No. The money was just used somewhere else.

Now, I don't pretend to know what all 50 States processes were. But what I can guarantee is that nobodies State tax went down with the implimentation of Obamacare. The costs of Obamacare went up. They actually won at the SC by calling it a tax. And the tax we were paying before Obamacare for indigent care, we are still fucking paying.

So, when you say we had to pay the costs of indigent care before Obamacare, that's true. But what you don't say is that money is still being collected and instead of being spent on indigent care as it was meant to, it is simply being spent elsewhere. That means we are effectively paying twice and getting the same value.

Can you name one single State that has lowered their tax after Obamacare citing that the tax is no longer needed? I'm guessing, no.

Not only did we have to pay indigent care, we are still paying it. ON TOP OF OBAMACARE.

And that, Sparky, is why obamacare should have a full repeal and go back to States paying indigent care as it was before Obamacare because we are all still paying the fucking tax. Obamacare did nothing but add a new, and rather hefty, tax leaving us paying twice for the same fucking thing.

 

[fraleywp]

Yes so does everyone? What's the point?


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Except I can only slightly lower them, not avoid paying them.

 

[Arthur]

Except I can only slightly lower them, not avoid paying them.

He lost his ass in Atlantic City you can write off losses that offset your taxes . Sure it's a scumbag loophole but everyone would take it . I'm not defending Trump I personally don't care for him . But if he can help America I'm all in .


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[Rossum]

To keep what they have earned or what someone working for them has earned for them?

If someone else worked for them, that someone else got paid, no?

Is investing earning money?

Yes. Would you rather see capital sit idle than be invested? If over-tax people's investment earnings, their capital will sit idle instead.

Is gambling on the stock market earning money?

Yes. It provides the liquidity necessary for markets to function.

 

[Rossum]

I have a small house on a 50x100 lot that I pay 11k a year in property tax

Ouch! That's an outrageous amount of property tax for the kind of property you've described.

 

[Arthur]

Ouch! That's an outrageous amount of property tax for the kind of property you've described.

It certainly is but that's considered low to average around here . It's insane


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[Time]

If over-tax people's investment earnings, their capital will sit idle instead.

As you know, it's even worse than that.

Their capital will lose value due to inflation. Especially at current interest rates.

 

[Rossum]

It certainly is but that's considered low to average around here . It's insane

Remind me never to buy property wherever it is that you are.

 

[fraleywp]

I'm afraid you are sadly misinformed.

Before Obamacare, States had their own methods of paying for indigent care. For instance, in this State, Counties were required to pay indigent hospital bills. The money, of course, came from property tax. So, in theory, once Obamacare became law there should be no indigent care as everyone should be covered. Did my property tax go down? No. The money was just used somewhere else.

Now, I don't pretend to know what all 50 States processes were. But what I can guarantee is that nobodies State tax went down with the implimentation of Obamacare. The costs of Obamacare went up. They actually won at the SC by calling it a tax. And the tax we were paying before Obamacare for indigent care, we are still fucking paying.

So, when you say we had to pay the costs of indigent care before Obamacare, that's true. But what you don't say is that money is still being collected and instead of being spent on indigent care as it was meant to, it is simply being spent elsewhere. That means we are effectively paying twice and getting the same value.

Can you name one single State that has lowered their tax after Obamacare citing that the tax is no longer needed? I'm guessing, no.

Not only did we have to pay indigent care, we are still paying it. ON TOP OF OBAMACARE.

And that, Sparky, is why obamacare should have a full repeal and go back to States paying indigent care as it was before Obamacare because we are all still paying the fucking tax. Obamacare did nothing but add a new, and rather hefty, tax leaving us paying twice for the same fucking thing.

I don't disagree with you here. But that is only part of the story. I am not defending obamacare. Simply stating the old ways weren't working either.

Also, there are other costs we all get hit with because of the uninsured. Obamacare was supposed to help with those costs too. It was a first attempt and no reasonable person thought it would be perfect.

I don't think throwing away something where we know the problems and replacing it with something completely new and unknown is going to result in significant savings. Take what we have and make it work better. Gut it where it needs gutted. Work together and just do something fruitful. Any plan to replace will almost certainly come at greater costs.

We need to stop being led around by lying politicians. Fake government.

 

[Rossum]

Bullshit. If you give them an unfair tax break you are taking it away from someone else. That is redistribution.

A "tax break" by definition lets someone keep more of what they earned. Giving someone a tax break does not necessarily mean that some other tax payer has to pay more. The government could just make do with less, right?