Are you sure 0.9mg/mL is half of 18mg/mL?
I dunno if I'm too sure of much beyond ... hang on need to look at my name tag. Oh heck! They left me blank today, so I don't even got a name. *sniff, sniff*
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Dropping as an alternative to vaping - Sublingual
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I dunno if I'm too sure of much beyond ... hang on need to look at my name tag. Oh heck! They left me blank today, so I don't even got a name. *sniff, sniff*
He seems to have wayward decimal points.
Andria
I stay wayward! Yes! I'm always lost in the woods. Damned to do, damned to not.
*chuckles*Somebody asked me if I knew where I was going, "Nope, but I'll get there quicker."
How do you tell when your apathy is broken? You realize you don't care that you don't care.
Never enough and I really disliked it.
I did use snuff which was my favourite. De Kralingse was great.
Snus was not hitting the spot. The best I got was from chewing on a tiny bit of vanilla cavendish. Never lasted long enough.
It makes Nicotine Citrate. It's still good.
I'll try to explain it from the start with 100mg nic. You'll have to excuse me if it's still not clear. I have some cognitive problems after a severe reaction to vaccine while applying for a job as a nurse years ago. Me stupid now.
using 100mg/ml PG or VG NIc and to make 10ml at 20mg/ml
put 2ml(2g appox) of 100mg/ml of nic in a dropper bottle
put 100mg of Citric Acid in bottle.
put 8ml (8g) of water in.
shake until all citric acid crystals dissolve.
Done.
I may try and make it with Malibu next time. In that case.
put 2ml(2g appox) of 100mg/ml of nic in a dropper bottle
put 100mg of Citric Acid in bottle.
--- shake and leave for a few minutes for Nicotine and Citric acid to react
put in 8ml of Malibu.
Done
>I am stupid now. I wrote 1g of citric acid. It's supposed to be 100mg. Fixed
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Dude, this is cool. Nicotine salts seem to be getting notoriety, that's what you have there. Now lightbulbs are flashing in my head.
This is mostly for me to remember to look at it tomorrow lol, way past my bedtime
https://www.google.com/patents/US20150020824
This is mostly for me to remember to look at it tomorrow lol, way past my bedtime
https://www.google.com/patents/US20150020824
You're talking about the author Saul Goode, he's written many of us here into the story with cognitive problems. At times I've difficulty reading the sarcasm from my witch, or the seriousness from her. Do not drive in part due to that as well. Not autistic, least not ever diagnosed as such but when I try to drive it's "too much coming in" for me, I lock up in fear.
Are they L.E.D, or CFL?
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Ah. I never vaped it alone, but mixed it into my strawberry & cream; at first, when I was mixing it (WholeCig's 24mg version, unflavored) at 10% of the total of the juice, I did need to use more sweetener, but that need declined as I gradually weaned off it -- it took 15 months, much more challenging than lowering nicotine, but worth it, since the FDA was making threatening gestures RE: vaping in general, and it seemed to me that WTA was very low-hanging fruit -- I didn't want to find myself in a position of still needing it, and having it become unavailable. I still use it from time to time, a drop or two into my RDA if I'm stressing, and it helps, but it's no longer a real necessity just to get by.
Andria
Yeah, the brain is an interesting thing. I had trouble thinking, speaking and walking an hour after the vaccine. Always falling asleep. I slowly improved a little. It's easier to talk now but the cognitive problems and fatigue have stayed. Luckily I never get depressed
No idea of where to start that thread??? or even if I could write it clearer.
Citric acid is usually in the baking section. Used in jam and stuff like that. In Australia this stuff is everywhere.
Dosage. As much as you want. Same as vaping. Too much and you'll get a headache. Start with 20mg/ml
Use as much as you want. I sometimes do it a few times in 10min and other times not for 30-40min. Doesn't matter, like vaping.
Citric acid?
Sublingual nicotine salts.
Sublingual nicotine salts.
This means you don't have to be hardcore DIY to make it, because you can easily buy nicotine salt liquid at 30 mg/mL, granted that is a bit higher than OP uses, and there will be PG, and probably too much flavoring. But it could be an option.
Hey OP what is the issue with PG?
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thanks for the idea!
I'm intrigued. I've been vaping 14 months now and I'm grateful that I was able to quit smoking because of it. However, I find it all very tiresome at times. I threw myself into the deep end of the pool as soon as I began. I DIY, make coils, squonk, etc. I've always disliked the amount of time I have spent doing this and today I grudgingly mixed for two hours just restocking my ADVs. I'm tired of always having to make sure I've got two mods and a carrying case of juice and batteries whenever I go out; of staying on top of all my batteries; of ordering stuff and having to go down to customs and convincing them to give me my stuff; of wicking tanks; leaking tanks and RDAs. I'm just tired.
I don't know how much I need the routine/process or whatever you want to call it to stay off the cigs. I don't know if I only need nicotine. I need to find out.
Last September I had returned to work and a friend had a vape he had picked up over the summer. I was totally oblivious to vaping, no exaggeration at all in that I had no idea what it was. I had seen the term and some pictures and had given it not one thought. Stuart explained it to me as I smoked a cigarette. I was intrigued and here I am today. Vaping has its hooks in me as much as cigarettes ever did. I just don't like have any hooks in me.
Thanks user579 for bringing this to my attention.
I don't know how much I need the routine/process or whatever you want to call it to stay off the cigs. I don't know if I only need nicotine. I need to find out.
Last September I had returned to work and a friend had a vape he had picked up over the summer. I was totally oblivious to vaping, no exaggeration at all in that I had no idea what it was. I had seen the term and some pictures and had given it not one thought. Stuart explained it to me as I smoked a cigarette. I was intrigued and here I am today. Vaping has its hooks in me as much as cigarettes ever did. I just don't like have any hooks in me.
Thanks user579 for bringing this to my attention.
I've posted this on ecf, they deleted it
Doesn't surprise me because it may not have broken any rules but over there it is up to a Moderator or Administrators discretion what is against the rules and those MOD's are assholes. Difference here is you won't get your post deleted but do have to read what some assholes have to post with their opinions.
My opinion is I do not particularly care for e-Liquid in my mouth and was not a big fan of how the SNUS made my mouth feel! Good luck with your Sublingual Nicotine and thanks for posting the information as it might help others. There are many who post about dropping their e-Liquids when they can't vape so not much different!
I forgot to mention.
You can get cheap pH test strips on ebay. About $1
I think this works best with a pH just under 8. Anywhere from 7-8 is fine to test. See what you think works better
That method will work for those without scales or want to test lemon juice.
> I'll ad this to the first post.
ATM using about 3-4ml/day. Somewhere around 60-80mg of nic is total intake for the day. Amount of nic seems to be reducing slowly. Not that it matters. Whatever is needed is not a problem.
You can get cheap pH test strips on ebay. About $1
I think this works best with a pH just under 8. Anywhere from 7-8 is fine to test. See what you think works better
That method will work for those without scales or want to test lemon juice.
> I'll ad this to the first post.
ATM using about 3-4ml/day. Somewhere around 60-80mg of nic is total intake for the day. Amount of nic seems to be reducing slowly. Not that it matters. Whatever is needed is not a problem.
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You could buy 100mg/ml nic salt in VG and the dilute it.
2 parts water, 1 part nic salts is 33mg/ml
3 parts water, 1 part nic salts is 25mg/ml
4 parts water, 1 part nic salts is 20mg/ml
I just think water works better than all VG. It you try it and think it does not make a difference, use all VG
You'd still need to check the pH.
About PG. I'm a little suspicious of it to use it every day use for years. Google around and you'll find it's in lots of things but everyday use is rare. Most places list no side effects while a few mention a strain on the liver. Besides that, it tastes bad.
I personally chose 200-300mg/day of PG as my limit for a year or two max (when my stocks run low). Then I'm buying all VG nic. The strong stuff (x5)
>I made a mistake so recheck http://vapingunderground.com/thread...-vaping-sublingual.381121/page-2#post-1997332
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No.
You get all the alkaloids of tobacco. Not the maoi content (which is fuck all)(that means miniscule if I am speaking too aussie again)
Maoi aren't alkaloids
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I was told that they are alkaloids? If they're alkaloids and you get the whole alkaloid cocktail, then it would stand to reason that they're included. I know that if I'm stressed or upset and I add a drop or two of WTA to my Achilles, it helps quite a bit. I can't think any of the other alkaloids would have that effect.
Andria
I've don some more reading thinking about long term use.
About pH, saliva and tooth decay (~6.4 or less)) or formation of plaque (7.4-7.6+.)
I don't think it's a huge problem. In many countries cities the water from your tap is around pH 7.6. Many foods are nowhere near neutral.
Still, a pH between 7 & 8 is probably best. I'm waiting on some new test strips. My last ones were over 10 years old.
I'll post when I get them.
Who sells nic salts at a decent price?
Citrate?, Hydrochloride?, malate, other
If it's too expensive I wont buy and if they don't specify the real name and just salts, I won't buy.
> I may test Malic Acid in the future.
About pH, saliva and tooth decay (~6.4 or less)) or formation of plaque (7.4-7.6+.)
I don't think it's a huge problem. In many countries cities the water from your tap is around pH 7.6. Many foods are nowhere near neutral.
Still, a pH between 7 & 8 is probably best. I'm waiting on some new test strips. My last ones were over 10 years old.
I'll post when I get them.
Who sells nic salts at a decent price?
Citrate?, Hydrochloride?, malate, other
If it's too expensive I wont buy and if they don't specify the real name and just salts, I won't buy.
> I may test Malic Acid in the future.
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Yes.
"Working with mainstream smoke collected from commercial cigarettes we confirmed that cigarette smoke is a potent inhibitor of human MAO-A and -B isozymes. MAO inhibition was partly reversible, competitive for MAO-A, and a mixed-type inhibition for MAO-B. Two beta-carboline alkaloids, norharman (beta-carboline) and harman (1-methyl-beta-carboline), were identified by GC-MS, quantified, and isolated from the mainstream smoke by solid phase extraction and HPLC. Kinetics analysis revealed that beta-carbolines from cigarette smoke were competitive, reversible, and potent inhibitors of MAO enzymes. "
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Think you'll find the closer to 7 pH you stick to the better. This is what is suggested as the ideal pH for most living bodies/cells. If you go over about 7.5 I think it is, you run the risk of an imbalance which could be fetal if continued long term and that term is subjective for each entity. I cannot say exacting measures and would not here as I'm no doctor by any means. Do recall though being told by a doc once about 7 pH being the ideal though, it is also the pH naturally of water, or at least ought to be barring contaminates. Take this advice with two grains of salt and do your own looking up of such facts, talk to medical personnel you trust. I'm only passing on from personal experience as objectively as I can. Also I'm human forgive me of RAM lapses.
Sometimes I recall things better, or worse than reality manifests them.Same. and 3 can be 30
pH 7 is always best but a little off is not a big deal for everyday use
If you are bored
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PH
I read some more and 6.8-7.2 is more ideal. I still think between 7-8 is good enough. If it wasn't peoples teeth would falling out just from eating normal foods.
Bought these https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Useful-...liva-Acid-Alkaline-80-Strips-MDA/142174595211
probably get these instead for clearer results. Maybe these for rougher testing too.
should be good enough to get between 7 & 7.5. If it's not as good I'll try nicotine malate. If that makes no difference then I'll keep making it the was I always have.
>a week later and it's about 1.5ml/day of 20mg/ml. That's 30mg total. I may have to reduce to 15mg/ml soon.
> another week later. About 1.5ml/day of 10mg/ml. That's 15mg total. It works just like vaping. You have to cut back as it feels stronger over time.
I think I'll be staying at 10mg for a few months, maybe.
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another week later.
8mg/ml and about 1-1.5ml/day
these are the best pH stips
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/100pcs-N...egnancy-Test-Paper-PH-4-5-9-0-TB/352195997670
I looked up nicorette spray. It's 1mg (nicotine hydrochloride) which is more than my start at 0.66mg(sometimes 2 drops)
It's around $45 a bottle though. That's about $10/day. $3650 a year. I spent around $1500 a year smoking
My mix costs about $50 a year. Maybe $100 if you add waste(+5%), scales($20), bottles($10), pH test ($3), citric or malic acid (+$5)
8mg/ml and about 1-1.5ml/day
these are the best pH stips
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/100pcs-N...egnancy-Test-Paper-PH-4-5-9-0-TB/352195997670
I looked up nicorette spray. It's 1mg (nicotine hydrochloride) which is more than my start at 0.66mg(sometimes 2 drops)
It's around $45 a bottle though. That's about $10/day. $3650 a year. I spent around $1500 a year smoking
My mix costs about $50 a year. Maybe $100 if you add waste(+5%), scales($20), bottles($10), pH test ($3), citric or malic acid (+$5)