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kennedyhexohmfan

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This is exactly what I needed to hear.

Thanks a lot guys, this information helps me big time!

I'm really considering getting the daedalus from fasttech. Its around $44 at the moment. But I might wait a bit till their independence day sale and score it for an even $40 :) hehe.

In the meanwhile though, I wana start building using a drill because ultimately, I do wana make my own aliens, and some coil porn kinda stuff too :) hehe. Well, if I get good at it, I might not even need the daedalus.

One more thing I wana ask please guys. I also have an old ass drill and I doubt it will grip such thin wire.

Do you guys have any recommendations for a suitable drill at a good price?

Sorry, one last thing, is it possible to make a fused clapton with three core wires, on the daedalus? I know guys were having issues with it, but is it possible?
 

kennedyhexohmfan

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Theres a phone app called offer-up. I saw many people selling used drills at a very low price. The app will give you the sellers in your local area that are selling their tools including drills.
 

bobnat

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You have to try aliens bud, they changed my vaping game completely.

I'm currently running a nichrome tri alien micro coil, 3×29g / 36g which measures at 0.45 ohms, and it's the coolest most flavourful vape I've ever had.
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Do you know what type of nichrome they are? I've been looking today and I see there are a few types available.
 

Supercwazy

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Theres a phone app called offer-up. I saw many people selling used drills at a very low price. The app will give you the sellers in your local area that are selling their tools including drills.

Awesome, thanks a lot bud. This helps me big time!

I prefer to buy brand new when it comes to tools and electronics, so I'm gona check out what I can score that way first though. But if I can't find any good deals, this app definitely comes in handy.
 

Supercwazy

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Do you know what type of nichrome they are? I've been looking today and I see there are a few types available.

I'm not too sure hey, but they're most probably nichrome 80. That's the best kinda nichrome for vaping and the longest lasting. Although, nichrome 60 isn't far off at all, so either one and you're good.

Go for 80 if possible. I'm curious as to what the difference in resistance between the two is. I'm guessing n80 which has 80% nickel should have a slightly lower resistance yeah.
 

tomczak215ii

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Yeah I definitely recommend it for aliens. I do they with it. I like having a drill just for Vaping and one that has the wire holder also. Also with the adjustable speed of the drill it helps


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Supercwazy

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Yeah I definitely recommend it for aliens. I do they with it. I like having a drill just for Vaping and one that has the wire holder also. Also with the adjustable speed of the drill it helps


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Cool Tom.

Just to clarify, so you do recommend the daedalus for aliens, yeah?

I'm curious about this drill with the wire holder though.

Can I ask a huge favour please bud. Could you please post a pic or link of a good drill. There are so many types available, I really don't know which one to get.

I'm actually considering getting both a daedalus and a drill, because I don't think the daedalus works well to get the decored clapton, because you'll need to clapton a pretty long wire, but I think it will work well to reclapton when making the alien coil, because the drill turns by itself without needing to hold in any buttons.

Well, I need to prioritise though, since I can't afford to buy them both right now, so either the daedalus or the drill. But I'm leaning towards the daedalus, so at least I can start practicing making fused claptons.
 

tomczak215ii

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The Daedalus works fine for super long claptons. You just use the swivels that come with the kit. Honestly no need for two drills when this will do it all.

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tomczak215ii

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Lighting vapes did have the whole kit but after the fire I'm not sure if they still have any. Plus use their lv15 code for 15% off. If not I got mine on eBay for $62 from a seller in KY


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Supercwazy

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The Daedalus works fine for super long claptons. You just use the swivels that come with the kit. Honestly no need for two drills when this will do it all.

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Thanks Tom. I forgot all about the c clamp and swivel which comes with it. Also I watched the tutorial this morning and I realise that the drill is actually a lot faster than I thought.

I'm really impressed by the daedalus. I wonder why they didn't put any ball bearings or something at the bottom of the jig though, to keep it moving smoothly across the table. It looks like it potentially scratch furniture. Am I right?
 

Supercwazy

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The Daedalus works fine for super long claptons. You just use the swivels that come with the kit. Honestly no need for two drills when this will do it all.

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Thanks Tom. I forgot all about the c clamp and swivel which comes with it. Also I watched the tutorial this morning and I realise that the drill is actually a lot faster than I thought.

I'm really impressed by the daedalus. I wonder why they didn't put any ball bearings or something at the bottom of the jig though, to keep it moving smoothly across the table. It looks like it potentially scratch furniture. Am I right?
 

bobnat

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Do a search on youtube for USA Ohm Meters and their videos will come up.
 

tomczak215ii

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Thanks Tom. I forgot all about the c clamp and swivel which comes with it. Also I watched the tutorial this morning and I realise that the drill is actually a lot faster than I thought.

I'm really impressed by the daedalus. I wonder why they didn't put any ball bearings or something at the bottom of the jig though, to keep it moving smoothly across the table. It looks like it potentially scratch furniture. Am I right?

Hasn't scratched my furniture yet. But I think if it moved smoother across the table it might not make the clapton as tight IMHO. I like the fact that once it starts it's hands free and I can speed up or slow down the drill while I go and do something else. Either prep my rda or cook diner. Lol. Definitely worth the price to be hands free when I'm making fused or regular claptons.


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Carambrda

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Don't quote me on this, but I don't think you can make aliens with the daedalus jig. You can make the clapton wrap for the alien, but then you have to wrap the clapton by hand. However, If you are planning to eventually attempt builds that are more complex than your fused claptons, i would suggest you don't buy a jig. Instead, get good at making claptons and fused claptons by hand, that way it won't be too difficult to start building more complex builds that cannot be made with a jig since, by then, you would have mastered the hand made clapton, assuming you haven't done so already. I make my fused claptons by hand and I'm still trying to master the alien and triple cores. But in the beginning, when i started to build, i was tempted to buy the deadalus. But when they stoped selling the jig by itself, since i own a drill, the price discouraged me. Now, i'm glad that I didn't buy it, since now, I have the fused clapton skill under my belt and can hopefully move up to more complex builds with less difficulty. As for the time, I build them pretty quickly. I don't think the jig would save me any time. However, If you just want to build for practical purposes, that is, to get a flavorful coil that will bring out all the complexities of your expensive e-juice, and you haven't mastered the fused clapton, then do invest in the deadalus jig. You'll be able to make fused claptons fast and easy and move on to enjoying your vape. After all, the alien and other fancy builds are not noticeably more flavorful. The fused clapton will, in my opinion, give you the best flavor. But if you want to build for the sheer creativity of making something awesome to look at, if you want to create works of art like the fellows that have posted their builds on this site, then, in my opinion, learn to do these simple builds by hand, since there is no jig that will build those masterpieces. I personally love looking at fancy coil builds. The shape, the colors, the perfect patterns, the different types of decks, they look like something made in another planet. Out of this world man! Coil building, in every sense of the word, has become an art form, and if you want to master it, you can't take shortcuts. Theirs no easy road to getting there.
I know a guy who has been building aliens with the Daedalus for about four months now, several times per week. I watched him do it at least five times with my own eyes, and he hardly ever fails... the alien wrap wire he's been using most of the time is 38g Ni80, typically with 28g Ni80 cores. I myself have managed to successfully build only one. Using a Milwaukee Fuel cordless drill, some ball bearing swivels and a heavy vice. Every time when I stop the drill to move the thing that's keeping my cores flat, I have trouble starting it back up again without messing up. But I got to admit I haven't really kept trying that many times yet.
 

Supercwazy

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Hasn't scratched my furniture yet. But I think if it moved smoother across the table it might not make the clapton as tight IMHO. I like the fact that once it starts it's hands free and I can speed up or slow down the drill while I go and do something else. Either prep my rda or cook diner. Lol. Definitely worth the price to be hands free when I'm making fused or regular claptons.


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That's it, I'm officially sold on the daedalus, hehe.

They've got it for a super deal at efun.top so I might pick one up from there.

https://www.efun.top/avidartisan-daedalus-coil-diy-tool.html

Thanks a lot for all the feedback Tom. You've really helped me big time.
 
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Supercwazy

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I know a guy who has been building aliens with the Daedalus for about four months now, several times per week. I watched him do it at least five times with my own eyes, and he hardly ever fails... the alien wrap wire he's been using most of the time is 38g Ni80, typically with 28g Ni80 cores. I myself have managed to successfully build only one. Using a Milwaukee Fuel cordless drill, some ball bearing swivels and a heavy vice. Every time when I stop the drill to move the thing that's keeping my cores flat, I have trouble starting it back up again without messing up. But I got to admit I haven't really kept trying that many times yet.

Awesome! Thanks bud, that's very encouraging to hear.

Any chance you could post a video of how he gets the decored clapton onto the wire? Does he do it by hand, or does he use the jig? Like does he wrap the decored clapton onto a spool, and then let the daedalus do the rest, like a regular fused clapton?
 

tomczak215ii

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That's it, I'm officially sold on the daedalus, hehe.

Reckon I'm gona order one from fasttech tonight, God willing. Will keep you posted, God willing.

Thanks a lot for all the feedback Tom. You've really helped me big time.

Np. Check out these people on eBay. It's where I got mine only took like 4 days to get to me and good prices

https://www.ebay.com/itm/252844815896


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Carambrda

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Awesome! Thanks bud, that's very encouraging to hear.

Any chance you could post a video of how he gets the decored clapton onto the wire? Does he do it by hand, or does he use the jig? Like does he wrap the decored clapton onto a spool, and then let the daedalus do the rest, like a regular fused clapton?
With such thin wire filming it with my old phone would be pointless... I tried to take a pic of the finished alien wire once, but couldn't even get the autofocus to lock on. He stretches the decored clapton and then he puts it on the floor, after it's stretched it's usually about 12 ft. long. He then ties the cores to ball bearing swivels that aren't included with the Daedalus kit─using three swivels so if one blocks the other two continue to work, he puts the cores through the little metal bead that comes with the Daedalus and that will be keeping the cores flat, slides it towards the swivels, wraps a small piece of ribbon wire around the cores between the bead and swivels, pinches on the ribbon wire to make it keep the cores flat, slides the bead back pulling the cores snug, keeps them snug whilst putting a 90 degree bend in them that goes into the chuck of the Daedalus after wrapping a bit of wire around them to keep them from getting pulled back out of the chuck as apparently the fastened chuck doesn't have that much grip if the cores are thin. Next, he pulls on the Daedalus to keep the cores snug, and he wraps and pinches another small piece of ribbon wire between the bead and Daedalus. Finally, he grabs the edges sticking out of the sides of the chuck, he bends them in the direction that the chuck will be turning, as doing this will keep the decored clapton from wanting to pop off again after tying it to them, and he starts aliening freehand keeping little or no tension on the decored clapton, holding one hand on the button of the Daedalus keeping the cores snug with only just enough tension to keep them that way... he does about one inch at a time sliding the bead forward each time after stopping. Starting the Daedalus back up each time goes really smooth so it's easy to relax and stay focused, which is important because from start to finish you have to keep watching the angle between the cores and your decore. After watching it catch, just keep watching that angle, and watch absolutely nothing else... it needs to be kept steady at around 92 degrees, so the decore is pulled slightly towards the swivel end.

EDIT ─ He holds the decore about 10 - 11 inches in front of the cores.
 
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Supercwazy

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Np. Check out these people on eBay. It's where I got mine only took like 4 days to get to me and good prices

https://www.ebay.com/itm/252844815896


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Thanks mate, but I think I'm going to get it from fasttech instead, since I've had good experience with them, it works out a lot cheaper, plus free delivery.

One more question, is it possible to clapton flat wire with the daedalus?

If I use flat wire just 0.1mm thick by 0.8mm wide, would the chuck handle this?
 

Supercwazy

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With such thin wire filming it with my old phone would be pointless... I tried to take a pic of the finished alien wire once, but couldn't even get the autofocus to lock on. He stretches the decored clapton and then he puts it on the floor, after it's stretched it's usually about 12 ft. long. He then ties the cores to ball bearing swivels that aren't included with the Daedalus kit─using three swivels so if one blocks the other two continue to work, he puts the cores through the little metal bead that comes with the Daedalus and that will be keeping the cores flat, slides it towards the swivels, wraps a small piece of ribbon wire around the cores between the bead and swivels, pinches on the ribbon wire to make it keep the cores flat, slides the bead back pulling the cores snug, keeps them snug whilst putting a 90 degree bend in them that goes into the chuck of the Daedalus after wrapping a bit of wire around them to keep them from getting pulled back out of the chuck as apparently the fastened chuck doesn't have that much grip if the cores are thin. Next, he pulls on the Daedalus to keep the cores snug, and he wraps and pinches another small piece of ribbon wire between the bead and Daedalus. Finally, he grabs the edges sticking out of the sides of the chuck, he bends them in the direction that the chuck will be turning, as doing this will keep the decored clapton from wanting to pop off again after tying it to them, and he starts aliening freehand keeping little or no tension on the decored clapton, holding one hand on the button of the Daedalus keeping the cores snug with only just enough tension to keep them that way... he does about one inch at a time sliding the bead forward each time after stopping. Starting the Daedalus back up each time goes really smooth so it's easy to relax and stay focused, which is important because from start to finish you have to keep watching the angle between the cores and your decore. After watching it catch, just keep watching that angle, and watch absolutely nothing else... it needs to be kept steady at around 92 degrees, so the decore is pulled slightly towards the swivel end.

EDIT ─ He holds the decore about 10 - 11 inches in front of the cores.

Wow, what an awesome description. Thanks bud. I just lost you somewhere around here...

"Finally, he grabs the edges sticking out of the sides of the chuck, he bends them in the direction that the chuck will be turning, as doing this will keep the decored clapton from wanting to pop off again after tying it to them"

After he pulls the daedalus back to tension the core wires, isn't the chuck already tightened?

I'm just trying to imagine why pieces of the core would be sticking out from the sides of the chuck...

And just to clarify, after this, he just feeds the decored wire into any gap visible in the chuck yeah?

"He bends them in the direction that the chuck will be turning, as doing this will keep the decored clapton from wanting to pop off again after tying it to them"

This is the only thing I have a hard time visualising.

And when he holds the decored clapton, you said he holds it at about 92 degrees right, so is that above the core wires, or below, or to the side maybe? At a distance of about 10 inches from the cores right, but which direction exactly?

Sorry for all the questions, your tutorial is really awesome, but I can be a bit stupid at times, hehe, and a little overly analytical too, so please bear with me. I really do appreciate your efforts.
 

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Wow, what an awesome description. Thanks bud. I just lost you somewhere around here...

"Finally, he grabs the edges sticking out of the sides of the chuck, he bends them in the direction that the chuck will be turning, as doing this will keep the decored clapton from wanting to pop off again after tying it to them"

After he pulls the daedalus back to tension the core wires, isn't the chuck already tightened?

I'm just trying to imagine why pieces of the core would be sticking out from the sides of the chuck...

And just to clarify, after this, he just feeds the decored wire into any gap visible in the chuck yeah?

"He bends them in the direction that the chuck will be turning, as doing this will keep the decored clapton from wanting to pop off again after tying it to them"

This is the only thing I have a hard time visualising.

And when he holds the decored clapton, you said he holds it at about 92 degrees right, so is that above the core wires, or below, or to the side maybe? At a distance of about 10 inches from the cores right, but which direction exactly?

Sorry for all the questions, your tutorial is really awesome, but I can be a bit stupid at times, hehe, and a little overly analytical too, so please bear with me. I really do appreciate your efforts.
I think the 90 degree bend, seating the cores into the chuck, and attaching the decored wire are all best explained by OhmBoy Josh.
Code:
https://youtu.be/dDLRzgouK0U?t=585
But one thing I found is the moment you start up the drill (or Daedalus) the decore wire can sometimes just slip right off. So then you need to re-attach it, after which it slips off again... :p To keep that from happening, you can tie the decore wire to the end of the core wire sticking out of the side of the chuck like OhmBoy Josh did in the video, and, before you start up the drill / Daedalus, you take this same end and you bend it towards where it is going to be moving towards after you start up the drill / Daedalus. :)

As for holding the decored clapton, if you're holding it at 90 degrees you're holding it perpendicular to the cores so add 2 degrees by moving your hand very slightly towards the swivels. In front of the cores = between the cores and you, such a way that you will be able to forget everything around you excepting the (approximately) 92 degree angle. There's only about one degree of wiggle room so that's why you need to keep that distance, it allows you to control the angle more accurately compared to holding the decore wire closer to the cores.
 

tomczak215ii

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So I watched a video today that was pretty cool in keeping them all lined up. The guy basically coiled the end as if you where building a coil for an rda. Then hooked the swivel to the loop it made. If I find the video I'll post it here.


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Supercwazy

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I think the 90 degree bend, seating the cores into the chuck, and attaching the decored wire are all best explained by OhmBoy Josh.
Code:
https://youtu.be/dDLRzgouK0U?t=585
But one thing I found is the moment you start up the drill (or Daedalus) the decore wire can sometimes just slip right off. So then you need to re-attach it, after which it slips off again... :p To keep that from happening, you can tie the decore wire to the end of the core wire sticking out of the side of the chuck like OhmBoy Josh did in the video, and, before you start up the drill / Daedalus, you take this same end and you bend it towards where it is going to be moving towards after you start up the drill / Daedalus. :)

As for holding the decored clapton, if you're holding it at 90 degrees you're holding it perpendicular to the cores so add 2 degrees by moving your hand very slightly towards the swivels. In front of the cores = between the cores and you, such a way that you will be able to forget everything around you excepting the (approximately) 92 degree angle. There's only about one degree of wiggle room so that's why you need to keep that distance, it allows you to control the angle more accurately compared to holding the decore wire closer to the cores.

Aaah now I get ya, thanks bud. Finally had a chance to watch that video you posted; what an awesome tutorial.

I think it might be even easier to do with the daedalus, since you don't have to keep your finger on any buttons. Once you find a comfortable speed, you can just use both hands to feed the decore wire. I think the reason Joshs wire got messed up is because of feeding the wire with the spool. He'd have much better control if he fed the wire by hand, imho. But then again, what do I know lol.

Guess the only way I'll really know is when I try it for myself. But I'm feeling quite confident now. I watched a few more daedalus tutorials, and after all the advices you guys have given, my mind is pretty set on getting one.

Thanks again bud, much appreciate all the advices.
 

Supercwazy

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So I watched a video today that was pretty cool in keeping them all lined up. The guy basically coiled the end as if you where building a coil for an rda. Then hooked the swivel to the loop it made. If I find the video I'll post it here.


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Cool, thanks Tom. Please do post a link to that video you watched. I'm having a hard time visualising the process you just described :/ hehe.

Joshs way of doing it was really good, but if you found an even better way, I'm definitely keen on checking it out.

Btw, can you clapton flat wire on the daedalus? I imagine that the chuck will fold the flat wire, so just curious if you tried it already.
 

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Aaah now I get ya, thanks bud. Finally had a chance to watch that video you posted; what an awesome tutorial.

I think it might be even easier to do with the daedalus, since you don't have to keep your finger on any buttons. Once you find a comfortable speed, you can just use both hands to feed the decore wire. I think the reason Joshs wire got messed up is because of feeding the wire with the spool. He'd have much better control if he fed the wire by hand, imho. But then again, what do I know lol.

Guess the only way I'll really know is when I try it for myself. But I'm feeling quite confident now. I watched a few more daedalus tutorials, and after all the advices you guys have given, my mind is pretty set on getting one.

Thanks again bud, much appreciate all the advices.
You don't need both hands to feed the decore wire. The only reason why you'd want to keep one hand on the button is when things go pear shaped you can stop immediately to correct the problem before you continue so you'll have a bigger chance to still─after you cut and throw away the messed up portion(s)─end up getting a long enough piece of alien wire to be able to successfully make (a) coil(s) out of it. Another tip is after you're finished you don't necessarily have to cut out the bad parts right away... you can decide to leave it in one piece to make it easier on yourself pulling the leads of your finished coil through the post holes of your atty, and then what you'll do is you'll still get rid of the bad parts as you'll clip off the ends after that. The trick to make this work is to just make sure the bad spots are flat enough for you to still be able to wiggle them through the post holes when you mount your coil. lol

IMO if you already own a decent drill capable of starting up gently, then there's little or no reason to still go for the Daedalus, generally speaking. There's certain types of coil builds that you just can't do with the Daedalus because if you hold a lot of tension on your core wire(s) you can pull the chuck right out of the Daedalus on accident. Fastening the chuck in such a way that it has enough grip on the wires also is tedious, and, as you start getting into more advanced coil builds, it's real easy to get fed up with that... as well as with the fact it's (too) slow. The sled that comes with the Daedalus has a groove in it by which the clapton wire is guided onto the core(s), but if you're doing a lot of coil builds this groove will wear out much sooner than you had expected. On the plus side, it's portable and it's a lot more silent compared to most drills, and the button is more fun. Its main selling point appears to be handsfree claptoning so you can go make yourself a cup of coffee whilst it claptons. But personally, I, wouldn't want to trade my drill for the Daedalus.

 

Supercwazy

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You don't need both hands to feed the decore wire. The only reason why you'd want to keep one hand on the button is when things go pear shaped you can stop immediately to correct the problem before you continue so you'll have a bigger chance to still─after you cut and throw away the messed up portion(s)─end up getting a long enough piece of alien wire to be able to successfully make (a) coil(s) out of it. Another tip is after you're finished you don't necessarily have to cut out the bad parts right away... you can decide to leave it in one piece to make it easier on yourself pulling the leads of your finished coil through the post holes of your atty, and then what you'll do is you'll still get rid of the bad parts as you'll clip off the ends after that. The trick to make this work is to just make sure the bad spots are flat enough for you to still be able to wiggle them through the post holes when you mount your coil. lol

IMO if you already own a decent drill capable of starting up gently, then there's little or no reason to still go for the Daedalus, generally speaking. There's certain types of coil builds that you just can't do with the Daedalus because if you hold a lot of tension on your core wire(s) you can pull the chuck right out of the Daedalus on accident. Fastening the chuck in such a way that it has enough grip on the wires also is tedious, and, as you start getting into more advanced coil builds, it's real easy to get fed up with that... as well as with the fact it's (too) slow. The sled that comes with the Daedalus has a groove in it by which the clapton wire is guided onto the core(s), but if you're doing a lot of coil builds this groove will wear out much sooner than you had expected. On the plus side, it's portable and it's a lot more silent compared to most drills, and the button is more fun. Its main selling point appears to be handsfree claptoning so you can go make yourself a cup of coffee whilst it claptons. But personally, I, wouldn't want to trade my drill for the Daedalus.


Thanks for the advice bud, but now I'm officially confused, lol.

I watched those videos and how easily Josh made the clapton using the spool tamer. He basically said "f*** the daedalus" lol.

So now I don't know what to do.

I don't have a drill either. Well, I have one, but it's old and isn't cordless, so I need to get one. Either way, it's going to be a learning curve for me, so what do you suggest?

I can get the daedalus for about $40. A good drill will cost me about the same.

Here's the thing...

The daedalus comes with those two little connections to easily make three core 26g and 28g wires. Even josh said that those were great. And the other thing I'm worried about is how to connect swivels onto the G clamp.

Right now, I'm leaning towards rather getting a drill instead of the daedalus. And I might already have a G clamp in the garage. But how do I connect swivel to the G clamp?

And is there a substitute for those little connections to make the three core wire, which comes with the Daedalus?

Sorry for all the questions, hope you don't mind too much. I feel like I'm getting closer to making the right decision here and I really appreciate all the feedback you guys are giving me.
 

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Thanks for the advice bud, but now I'm officially confused, lol.

I watched those videos and how easily Josh made the clapton using the spool tamer. He basically said "f*** the daedalus" lol.

So now I don't know what to do.

I don't have a drill either. Well, I have one, but it's old and isn't cordless, so I need to get one. Either way, it's going to be a learning curve for me, so what do you suggest?

I can get the daedalus for about $40. A good drill will cost me about the same.

Here's the thing...

The daedalus comes with those two little connections to easily make three core 26g and 28g wires. Even josh said that those were great. And the other thing I'm worried about is how to connect swivels onto the G clamp.

Right now, I'm leaning towards rather getting a drill instead of the daedalus. And I might already have a G clamp in the garage. But how do I connect swivel to the G clamp?

And is there a substitute for those little connections to make the three core wire, which comes with the Daedalus?

Sorry for all the questions, hope you don't mind too much. I feel like I'm getting closer to making the right decision here and I really appreciate all the feedback you guys are giving me.

I have a Daedalus and it's great for making 1 & 2 core claptons. For me, that's enough. But I believe if you want to make anything more complex then a drill is the way to go. Most of the reasons have already been stated. The drill gives more flexibility as the Daedalus is more of a one-trick pony. Sure some people have made Aliens using one, but I'd bet that it's no easier or faster than doing it on a drill. Another question is durability. A good drill will last a lot longer then this thing will.

As for the coil tools or tubes or whatever the fuck those things are, they aren't that great for 3 cores. There have been a number of techniques developed to do it better than those things can. Here's something I posted above a few days ago. Take a look at them. I think they'll do a better job than the other things.

http://www.shop.usaohmmeters.com/COIL-ASSIST-Transparent-ICE-26-28ga-CAICE.htm
 

Supercwazy

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I have a Daedalus and it's great for making 1 & 2 core claptons. For me, that's enough. But I believe if you want to make anything more complex then a drill is the way to go. Most of the reasons have already been stated. The drill gives more flexibility as the Daedalus is more of a one-trick pony. Sure some people have made Aliens using one, but I'd bet that it's no easier or faster than doing it on a drill. Another question is durability. A good drill will last a lot longer then this thing will.

As for the coil tools or tubes or whatever the fuck those things are, they aren't that great for 3 cores. There have been a number of techniques developed to do it better than those things can. Here's something I posted above a few days ago. Take a look at them. I think they'll do a better job than the other things.

http://www.shop.usaohmmeters.com/COIL-ASSIST-Transparent-ICE-26-28ga-CAICE.htm

Wow, you just gave me a nifty idea bud, after looking at those coil assist things you posted the link for. Using a piece of Styrofoam, I could make one of those, hehe.

So do you reckon that the daedalus drill won't last that long? I mean, is it a bit on the flimsy side?

The thing is, I'm quite a lazy vaper, and the daedalus just seems to have everything right there. I might also be content with just making dual core fused claptons, but I definitely want the option of making three core claptons too.

Have you tried doing the three core clapton on the daedalus?

I watched a tutorial where the guy did alien coils with it, but in that case, the daedalus just served the purpose of a normal drill, because he used the G clamp and swivels instead of the jig.

I'm just getting into building. The most I've done so far is twist my own wire :/ lol.

Have you watched the video which Carambrda posted where josh uses the spool tamer to do the clapton?

Now in that vid, he just does a single core clapton, but do you think that method would work for a dual core? Because then I'll definitely rather go for the drill instead of the daedalus.

Sorry man, I'm really confused. I have no idea what to get now.

If you were me who's never made clapton wire or used a drill or anything, what would you do?

I mean, you have a daedalus, so you know what it's all about. I want something which will last me a long time and not give up on me anytime soon.

Should I get it? Or just learn with a drill rather? Would that method josh used with the spool tamer work with a dual core? Will the daedalus drill last a long time, or does the quality seem flimsy?

Sorry, I know I'm being a bother here, but of you could please answer each question I asked in this reply, I'll be super grateful.
 

tomczak215ii

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Wow, you just gave me a nifty idea bud, after looking at those coil assist things you posted the link for. Using a piece of Styrofoam, I could make one of those, hehe.

So do you reckon that the daedalus drill won't last that long? I mean, is it a bit on the flimsy side?

The thing is, I'm quite a lazy vaper, and the daedalus just seems to have everything right there. I might also be content with just making dual core fused claptons, but I definitely want the option of making three core claptons too.

Have you tried doing the three core clapton on the daedalus?

I watched a tutorial where the guy did alien coils with it, but in that case, the daedalus just served the purpose of a normal drill, because he used the G clamp and swivels instead of the jig.

I'm just getting into building. The most I've done so far is twist my own wire :/ lol.

Have you watched the video which Carambrda posted where josh uses the spool tamer to do the clapton?

Now in that vid, he just does a single core clapton, but do you think that method would work for a dual core? Because then I'll definitely rather go for the drill instead of the daedalus.

Sorry man, I'm really confused. I have no idea what to get now.

If you were me who's never made clapton wire or used a drill or anything, what would you do?

I mean, you have a daedalus, so you know what it's all about. I want something which will last me a long time and not give up on me anytime soon.

Should I get it? Or just learn with a drill rather? Would that method josh used with the spool tamer work with a dual core? Will the daedalus drill last a long time, or does the quality seem flimsy?

Sorry, I know I'm being a bother here, but of you could please answer each question I asked in this reply, I'll be super grateful.

One thing I will say about the Daedalus customer service says what you want to hear if there is a problem and if they take care of you it will take a while. But so far the drill is pretty good and haven't had any issues with quality. The thing with the customer service I spoke of was about their coil jig tool for putting three cores in are to small to fit three wires


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Carambrda

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Thanks for the advice bud, but now I'm officially confused, lol.

I watched those videos and how easily Josh made the clapton using the spool tamer. He basically said "f*** the daedalus" lol.

So now I don't know what to do.

I don't have a drill either. Well, I have one, but it's old and isn't cordless, so I need to get one. Either way, it's going to be a learning curve for me, so what do you suggest?

I can get the daedalus for about $40. A good drill will cost me about the same.

Here's the thing...

The daedalus comes with those two little connections to easily make three core 26g and 28g wires. Even josh said that those were great. And the other thing I'm worried about is how to connect swivels onto the G clamp.

Right now, I'm leaning towards rather getting a drill instead of the daedalus. And I might already have a G clamp in the garage. But how do I connect swivel to the G clamp?

And is there a substitute for those little connections to make the three core wire, which comes with the Daedalus?

Sorry for all the questions, hope you don't mind too much. I feel like I'm getting closer to making the right decision here and I really appreciate all the feedback you guys are giving me.
You don't need the drill to be cordless. In fact OhmBoy Josh uses one that isn't cordless... you can see it in a lot of his recent videos actually.

As for attaching the swivels to the clamp,
Code:
https://youtu.be/TheWA5rDWR4?t=356

EDIT ─ Had to search for it a little, but here it is:
Code:
https://youtu.be/ptYnRbDevi4?t=1251
I've been using the keyring method for all of my coil builds, it works. The only problem I had was that my keyring kept sagging off of the wires so to keep it nice and center I just had to put some masking tape on it, like so:
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Giraut

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I just buy stuff, doubt I have the patience or skill to actually make my own claptons..

I tend to buy cool shit for the sake of owning cool shit too - and the Daedalus sure does look cool, even if it's just a glorified Dremel. So I was about to order me one. But then I remembered clapton coils have very little added value aside from aesthetics. Since I only go for builds that perform well regardless of looks, in the end I didn't :)
 

bobnat

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You don't need the drill to be cordless. In fact OhmBoy Josh uses one that isn't cordless... you can see it in a lot of his recent videos actually.

As for attaching the swivels to the clamp,
Code:
https://youtu.be/TheWA5rDWR4?t=356

EDIT ─ Had to search for it a little, but here it is:
Code:
https://youtu.be/ptYnRbDevi4?t=1251
I've been using the keyring method for all of my coil builds, it works. The only problem I had was that my keyring kept sagging off of the wires so to keep it nice and center I just had to put some masking tape on it, like so:
View attachment 85154

This what I was referring to, the innate cleverness of people to solve problems.
 

bobnat

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Wow, you just gave me a nifty idea bud, after looking at those coil assist things you posted the link for. Using a piece of Styrofoam, I could make one of those, hehe.

So do you reckon that the daedalus drill won't last that long? I mean, is it a bit on the flimsy side?

The thing is, I'm quite a lazy vaper, and the daedalus just seems to have everything right there. I might also be content with just making dual core fused claptons, but I definitely want the option of making three core claptons too.

Have you tried doing the three core clapton on the daedalus?

I watched a tutorial where the guy did alien coils with it, but in that case, the daedalus just served the purpose of a normal drill, because he used the G clamp and swivels instead of the jig.

I'm just getting into building. The most I've done so far is twist my own wire :/ lol.

Have you watched the video which Carambrda posted where josh uses the spool tamer to do the clapton?

Now in that vid, he just does a single core clapton, but do you think that method would work for a dual core? Because then I'll definitely rather go for the drill instead of the daedalus.

Sorry man, I'm really confused. I have no idea what to get now.

If you were me who's never made clapton wire or used a drill or anything, what would you do?

I mean, you have a daedalus, so you know what it's all about. I want something which will last me a long time and not give up on me anytime soon.

Should I get it? Or just learn with a drill rather? Would that method josh used with the spool tamer work with a dual core? Will the daedalus drill last a long time, or does the quality seem flimsy?

Sorry, I know I'm being a bother here, but of you could please answer each question I asked in this reply, I'll be super grateful.

You're going around and around. I strongly suggest you get a piece of paper and pencil, no pens!

First, write down what you want from coils. Then research which coils give you what you want. Then research how most people make those coils. Then research how much it will cost you to buy what you need. Also, look at secondary uses, such as a real drill can actually be used to drill things.

Then make a large T on a piece of paper and write down the pros and cons of the two routes you can take here.

This is all information you have but it's swimming around in your brain. You are stuck in a loop without a terminus. Writing things down is very powerful as it allows you to clearly see all points, preferably in a linear manner. This will allow you to make a decision. If you're so inclined, a flowchart will work nicely. You've been given a lot of information but it's not being processed and acted upon. You are, whether you realize it or not, depending on others to make your decision for you. It's your decision to make, so do so. It's not like you're picking a wife here. :)

Good luck.
 

Supercwazy

Member For 4 Years
You're going around and around. I strongly suggest you get a piece of paper and pencil, no pens!

First, write down what you want from coils. Then research which coils give you what you want. Then research how most people make those coils. Then research how much it will cost you to buy what you need. Also, look at secondary uses, such as a real drill can actually be used to drill things.

Then make a large T on a piece of paper and write down the pros and cons of the two routes you can take here.

This is all information you have but it's swimming around in your brain. You are stuck in a loop without a terminus. Writing things down is very powerful as it allows you to clearly see all points, preferably in a linear manner. This will allow you to make a decision. If you're so inclined, a flowchart will work nicely. You've been given a lot of information but it's not being processed and acted upon. You are, whether you realize it or not, depending on others to make your decision for you. It's your decision to make, so do so. It's not like you're picking a wife here. :)

Good luck.

I'm very analytical bud, I can't help it, it's in my nature. I'm a perfectionist, mildly ocd, so I tend to be overly analytical at times. If I had the cash, I'd just buy both the daedalus and a drill, but alas, I can only buy one of them right now. So I'm just trying to make the most calculated decision.

Some people recommend the daedalus, others reckon otherwise, so it's confusing for me. Yes, it would help me if someone just told me what to do, because as you said, I've just got too much info running around my head right now, but no end game :/

Anyway, thanks for all your help. I'll keep you guys posted about what I decided to do, God willing.

Cheers
 

Supercwazy

Member For 4 Years
One thing I will say about the Daedalus customer service says what you want to hear if there is a problem and if they take care of you it will take a while. But so far the drill is pretty good and haven't had any issues with quality. The thing with the customer service I spoke of was about their coil jig tool for putting three cores in are to small to fit three wires


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Thanks for all the help Tom. I'll be keen on hearing what the daedalus support guys have to say about your query.

I've still got about a week to make my decision, so I'm just going to keep on doing research for now, but I'll keep you posted as to what I decided in due time, God willing.

I'll be eagerly awaiting your feedback when support finally responds to your query.

Until then, stay cool bud. Cheers.
 

Supercwazy

Member For 4 Years
You don't need the drill to be cordless. In fact OhmBoy Josh uses one that isn't cordless... you can see it in a lot of his recent videos actually.

As for attaching the swivels to the clamp,
Code:
https://youtu.be/TheWA5rDWR4?t=356

EDIT ─ Had to search for it a little, but here it is:
Code:
https://youtu.be/ptYnRbDevi4?t=1251
I've been using the keyring method for all of my coil builds, it works. The only problem I had was that my keyring kept sagging off of the wires so to keep it nice and center I just had to put some masking tape on it, like so:
View attachment 85154

My man. You've been a huge help to me. I really appreciate all the advices, videos and the time you've taken to educate me about this stuff. Those videos are extremely beneficial! Thanks a lot for all your time, effort and patience.

I will be in touch, God willing.

Cheers bud.
 

CoCoMo

Member For 4 Years
Update: Did a fused 3-26/32 put the wire holder underneath the wire spool. Worked good but I ran the wires are too short and when I wrap them I messed up. Bunched up in the beginning but helped it along with my finger at first and came out nice. Forgot to take pics of coils in the boreas but they weren't pretty anyway lol. Lots of possibilities with the Daedalus once you find your best way of doing things....will try with swivel and clamp tomorrow.
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Geez, that look very nice!!!

I've tried the same method with a thinner wrap (38awg), and the core keep on stacking on each other, ending up with a 'triangle fused clapton' :mad::mad:

Any tips or tricks, perhaps some clue to do a perfect triple core?
 

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You have to hold the wires together with something while they wrap, anything, paper clip, tape, whatever.
 

Carambrda

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Geez, that look very nice!!!

I've tried the same method with a thinner wrap (38awg), and the core keep on stacking on each other, ending up with a 'triangle fused clapton' :mad::mad:

Any tips or tricks, perhaps some clue to do a perfect triple core?
The Daedalus kit comes with beads already included in the package. Their purpose is to hold the three core wires flat, but I'm not sure you can also use the sled to make a triple core fused clapton... who knows... maybe it can be done if you slide the cores through one side of the sled, through the bead next, and then finally through the other side of the sled?
Code:
https://youtu.be/TheWA5rDWR4?t=317
 

CoCoMo

Member For 4 Years
The Daedalus kit comes with beads already included in the package. Their purpose is to hold the three core wires flat, but I'm not sure you can also use the sled to make a triple core fused clapton... who knows... maybe it can be done if you slide the cores through one side of the sled, through the bead next, and then finally through the other side of the sled?
Code:
https://youtu.be/TheWA5rDWR4?t=317

That's what I meant; to make a triple core fused clapton fully utilizing the sled to automatically feed the outer wrap. And until this post is uploaded to the thread, I still failed.

Put the bead inside the sled, pushing it close to the feeding channel, failed.

Put the bead in front of the sled, failed.

Perhaps it has to be done freehand LoL
 

CoCoMo

Member For 4 Years
Wha'appened?

The triple core keeps stacking on itself. Read in the first page, someone has been successful, I don't know how, or why I failed.

Some unique fact, the 26ga beads can be used for making a quad core 28 LoL

Another fact that I foun annoying, due to brass material used for the guide, eventually it left with dent caused by the sliding of the wire. Dayum...
 

Carambrda

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The triple core keeps stacking on itself. Read in the first page, someone has been successful, I don't know how, or why I failed.
Did you forget to use the clamp? The bead only holds the cores flat if there is some amount of tension being kept on the cores.
Some unique fact, the 26ga beads can be used for making a quad core 28 LoL

Another fact that I foun annoying, due to brass material used for the guide, eventually it left with dent caused by the sliding of the wire. Dayum...
Yeah, there is a spare piece included in the package so you can replace it. But I also noticed it already wears out after only a few months of frequent use.
 

bobnat

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I just found this on Avidartisan's FB page.

Shenzhen Avidartisan Technology Co., Ltd Sorry delay to reply u later because Our Festival. Like u said, the brass guide will be break if use about 1-2 months if use frequently. U can try to contact grayhaze in Europe, or lightningvapes in USA for the brass part. Thanks.
 

CoCoMo

Member For 4 Years
Oooooowwww okay got it. Gotta use the clamp and swivel to make it work, then.

Because everytime I made myself a fused clapton, I don't tie the end to a swivel. I just tie it with a piece of the outer wrap wire, and let the thing do itself.

Thanks, I really musy try using the clamp for triple core, isn't it? Heheheh
 

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