Could Trump's re-election go up in a puff of 'smoke'? Vapers say watch out.

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  1. 5150sick

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    I seriously doubt that many Trump supporters will vote against him if he bans flavors.
    heck he may have gained more votes with his flavor ban with the Mormons and Pentecostals and such.

    He should have done it the smart political way and not said anything and just let the FDA do it's thing and blame it all on Obama.
     
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    It was Hillary's fault....:devil::blech:
     
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    Carters from what I hear ;)

    the leglislation was built and passed during the previous 2 presidents terms though.
    Not sure which party had majority in congress when it was passed though.
     
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    Does it really matter anymore...
     
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    Realistically no. However Trump could have sold it to his supporters that way.
     
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    yes but now he can do it sooner and blame any delays on the previous administration and smear anything they want along the way
     
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    Ohh count on it being someone elses fault.
     
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    on that we agree
     
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    susieqz Silver Contributor Member For 1 Year

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    can't vote against trump.
    the dems want to disarm us.
    i can vote libertarian tho.
     
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    But yeah, he doesn't really have to sell anything else to his supporters. He's got em hooked. He had most of them hooked as soon as he announced he was running as a Republican.
     
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    or when he paid russian hackers to vote him in IF you believe that
     
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    are you saying that he hooked his supporters when russians helped promote him


    because I was just talking about him having staunch supporters, real ones

    edit: you know what, you may be right. I know my kid's dad supports Trump, and also believed the "muslim invasion" and all the other crud that comes from social media and fake news sites. so your point is taken
     
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    ...and Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself.
     
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    I saw that on the bottom of an in and out cup somewhere.

    Remember that Epstein and Trump used to hang out together.
     
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    Every group seems to get an arrogance about them and say that if they don't get their way then they won't vote for a particular politician. Whether it's guns or in this case vapers. I've seen the same verbiage used countless times. No matter what people say most aren't single issue voters. For example, if all of a sudden every Dem politician come out in favor of vaping and against the deeming regs will the vaper who's also a gun enthusiast all of a sudden start voting for those same democrats who've historically been against gun rights?
     
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    Party first.
     
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    some gun owners will never vote dem, no matter what.
    i watched the convention.
    these people actually hate me.
    i felt waves of hate eminating from the tv.
    i doubt the rank n file feel this way but the leadership does.
    this is no political disagreement.
    it's some sort of holy crusade
     
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    The US has devolved into a state where many hate those of the other party and demonize them.
    This allows those in power to use them against their own best interests.
    I pretty much hate both party's. I am an equal opportunity hater ;)

    I am pretty much a gun owning social liberal and fiscal conservative.
    do not spend more than you take in and help those who cannot help themselves but the deadbeats can pound sand.
    And stop being the police force for the world.
    And do not let religious groups dictate to others.

    Getting really lonely being a fiscal conservative...
     
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    that devolution will end this nation.
    you would be more comfy with libertarians, crom.
     
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    Libertarians are mostly nuts. I agree with their general principles mostly but they would turn industry loose on us with no constraints.

    And yes the Golden Age of America has passed. We are on a slow decline.
    All empires decline and fall some take longer than others.
     
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    I feel the same way about Libertarians but I pretty much vote down a straight Libertarian ticket. Reason is with a 3rd party this would shake up the game a lot.

    Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk
     
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    I voted libertarian the last 3 presidential elections. Not because that I wanted them to win but as a protest vote.
    This time I will vote for whomever has a chance to beat Trump.
    Not really a vote for them but a vote against Trump that may count.
    Time to dump the national embarrassment.
     
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    let dems in n think about possible armed insurrection.
     
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    Treason? Civil war?
    Seems a bit unreasonable and unamerican to me.

    I just sure hope that the Dem candidate is not Pelosi...
    I would still have to vote for her though...
     
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    I've been hearing this talk for over 20 years. Not likely. It's going to have to get a WHOLE lot worse before that is even seriously on the table. As long as the majority of the population has new iPhones, 60" TVs to watch football, and are able to buy 60K trucks with less than 10% interest people will do nothing but bitch.

    The weapons ban that passed under Clinton also failed under Clinton and other than talk no serious attempt has been made since except in the heavily leftist states.
     
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    I usually vote 3rd party, not because I always agree with them but because I hate the 2 party system and don't feel it represents the majority of Americans. My hope is that the more people who do abandon the repubs and dems the more likely the libs will get a seat at the table instead of being relegated to the kids table.
     
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    A good fear to play on though to keep Republicans in there.
     
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    And they've played it well fro more than 20 years.
     
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    I am seriously disappointed that we have for the most part become a fear driven society while at the same time claiming to be the bastion of freedom and the greatest country in the world.

    Fear causes people to give up their freedoms for promised security.
     
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    you guys that seem to think abrogation of the second is a strawman didn't listen to pelosi at the convention.
     
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    There is congress....
    yeah I hope pelosi does not win the Dem nomination...
    I just changed from no party to Democrat so I can vote in the primary.

    It would of course be good to have candidates I could feel good about voting for. But neither party seems to have those any more.
    Just try and pick those that I consider the lesser of the evils.
     
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    UNCLEAN ! UNCLEAN !
     
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    LOL
    Never claimed to be Kosher.
    And love pork.
     
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    I'm starting to like her... :)

    .
     
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    i don't understand exactly what trump has done
    to make him so bad.
    i do know the impeachment talk started before he was sworn in.
    that makes it suspect.

    once upon a time we were taught that if the other party won, he was your prez
    n you wished him well til the next election.
    what happened to that?
     
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    the fact is, if they abrogate the second, the contract is dead.
    no insurrection would be treason.

    if they get our guns, then they will do anything at all.
    wwe will lose if the army backs the govt, but we can try.
     
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    What’s the unclean reference from? I don’t get it.
     
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    I guess because I changed from no party to democrat? And plan to vote against Trump?
    I dunno.
    Been working in my basement all day, could use a shower though :)
     
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    in the middle ages, lepers couldn't move around without someone shouting 'unclean'
    to allow people to get out of the way.
    seemed fit for someone registering democrat.
     
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    No disrespect meant, but by the same token what happened to respecting another's right to have a differing opinion without them being "unclean"?

    FWIW I agree 100% about respecting the office if not the man or someday woman. I'm sure I'll be considered unclean by both sides as I claim loyalty to no party. I'll cast my vote for the candidate who I feel best represents my views. I don't care which little letter comes after their name.
     
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    this

    it comes with an understanding you always take the lesser of two evils.
     
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    oh, pooh.
    crom knows i'm teasing.
     
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    The reference to pork and kosher threw me! lol I thought they rang bells for lepers, though.

    Hope you’re de-dusted or whatever.
     
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    yeah ....it almost works as well as the democrats pushing the White Devils are gonna eat your babbies card.
     
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    So you claim that you are a libetarian...and yet the only members of congress who are libertarians are republicans...and you are registering as a Democrat....LOL...
     
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    What did he do...why he won the election that is what he did...the Democrats feel they, and they alone are entitiled to rule. and that political dissent in America is now formally a crime....upon which you will be prosecuted for without proof,facing your accusser, or for that matter having broken any known American law.
     
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    Oh I am not mad at ya.
    I know you were kinda teasing.
     
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    Nope I was registered with NO party affiliation.
    I am NOT a libertarian. I am somewhat nuts but not as far as them :)
    what happened to the Tea Party?
     
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