CEASES AND DESIST: YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT CLONES

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  1. Zamazam

    Zamazam Evil Vulcan's do it with Logic Staff Member Senior Moderator VU Donator Platinum Contributor Member For 3 Years

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  3. VapingJunkie

    VapingJunkie Down with the Clown Silver Contributor

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    That's funny, because they've all personally told me that they make those reviews for YOU! And other vapers like you.

    It's not emotionally healthy to insult yourself.

    (No, I don't actually talk to them, but your presumptions demanded a reply, IMHO)
     
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    You are right, of course. I am probably misreading their apparent pleasure at having reached some arbitrary number of views or subscribers when they offer prizes or celebrate. You do know that they get paid for that? ...Or their concern when they look into the camera with their sincere puppy dog eyes and tell me that they want me to be able to get these things at reasonable prices or without waiting lists like they do. Many don't even bother to give an apparent damn. They are just happy to have something that nobody else has reviewed (because the crap is not available) to brag about. ("Look how great MY channel is!") Got to give it to THOSE guys for keeping it real, but many of those are not the "popular" ones that I was referring to.

    A great guy who who knows a guy who follows my channel loaned me his thingie to show you because even I can't get one. (Maybe they will send me something now.)

    The whole thing is peachy, if you say so. I am just a bitch standing in the corner hating my betters and should just shut up and not try to get some reviewers to at least appear a bit more ethical or to stop teasing us with stuff made by people who are basically attention whores just trying to create a shortage so that they can make even fewer items at even higher prices.

    Perhaps these reviewers are just innocent tools being used by people who wouldn't bother to actually go to work each day operating greasy machines? Make a tube. Get some reviewers to cover it. Wait for the clones. Join a group of other losers who can't compete and sue some guys who DO get up every morning and go to work operating retail outlets. That is the new "American Way".

    Every time some of these disgruntled hobbiest modders recapture a neighborhood for the convenience store tobacco merchants, a tax man will get his wings.
     
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    I smell jealousy..


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    OB61887 Am I saying meow? Silver Contributor

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    I don't care why they do reviews, I just know that I like reviews because they help me determine what I want. As for clones, I would like to support the legits, but I'm not paying $100+ for mu plume veil when I can get one that works just fine for $25. If it was available for $50 I would be willing to get the original. I was fine getting the sigelei for $100 because it is affordable for what it is. I'm willing to pay more for quality products, but not as much as some are charging.
     
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    More like frustration, actually. Seeing something, going to look for it, finding it out of stock and not even cloned yet. LOL Luckily better things come out each day, like an Istick with more mah and smaller than a Beyond Vapes Solara at 1/6 - 1/5 the price, or a Joyetech Egrip, with a chip, more mah than a Vapor Shark, and about as small as a Gizmo.

    OK, I'll lay off the reviewers. They are easy to avoid so no point haranguing them and most of them are pretty good guys and girls, really. I was just following the direction of the thread. I did try to segway it back into talk about clones there at the end. :)

    But if China keeps it up like they have been, clones will keep getting a lot less interesting, not just because of the price differences from the originals, and better availability, but because their stuff is becoming a lot cooler than what they might have cloned. I'm thinking that The Commission had better strike fast, while they are still slightly relevant.
     
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    I dunno.. some of the clone reviewers are as popular, if not more, than the 'originals only' guys.. And even some of them are doing 'clones' now.
     
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    Perhaps a big part of the problem with people talking about clones is that they could start discussing the improvements that the replicators might be making. The original makers' plans to keep a couple of dozen copies back until the demand gets high enough to ration them out for $10,000 apiece on eBay would get really messed up if people started asking them about actually working on better versions of their things.
     
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    How did you jump from Clones vs. Authentics to verbally bashing reviewers who want people to have information about products that WILL eventually be cloned and readily available? (Assuming the quality is high enough to warrant such)


    Sent from the Otter Box around my Galaxy S4.
     
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    The usual way, reading something, holding a thought for a few minutes, replying to a post. You know, "following the direction of the thread". I was making no assumptions that something WOULD be cloned. I was questioning the efficacy, beyond trying to scoop other reviewers, garner some freebies or just do the inexplicit in regards to items that are clearly not available to 99.9 percent of their viewers at that time.

    I was pretty clear about a lot of different points, not just the one that you chose. Perhaps I was bashing. Bashing is the opposite of "pumping". They pump and the opposite response, by nature, is referred to as "bashing". It's pretty normal really. In fact, I used to get paid to "pump". I am pretty good at that, but it was usually with making money for people as a goal.

    I didn't "jump from Clones vs. Authentics". Just prior to my reply to post number 291, that you took offense to, I was expanding upon my displeasure with the stores for which the reviewers were doing some of the reviews in question. So actually...Wait...Why am I explaining all of this stuff that you could have just read the first time? Are you trolling me? LOL Got me!
     
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    Damn, does this mean I can't bait you into more emotionally charged essay-length responses? ;)

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    Hey...why you hating on ese's

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    Perhaps if you ask nicely. I am just saying this: The Authentics makers want fame, high demand and they don't want us getting our hands on clones. Basically, they want to limit the supply to get the most money for the least work that they can get away with. It's them vs the consumers put into those terms. There is actually nothing wrong with that and there are a few counters to it. A very good one, in the interim while waiting for the cloning to begin, is to just ignore the authentics. So, I was offering up the opinion that if the reviewers wish to pump up interest and demand for items of very limited or zero supply, it might not hurt to exhibit some displeasure with them. The right to take exceptions to aggressive tactics is another aspect of the free market. You see it as simply educating the vaping public. I can see it as having possibly more sinister motives since I am well versed in the practice of driving up prices for investors.

    If the efforts to limit the access to clones get a lot more traction, like The Commission intimidating more stores into not offering alternatives, it will all make more sense to you as you see prices and trading in collectables increasing.
     
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    "Authentic" was the keyword in my statement.
     
  16. MrFixIt

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    Now what I like hearing about is when a clone/copy/replica becomes readily available before the original even finishes production and ships. Then to add insult to injury they have the nerve to make the clone work better than the original does. I say we do this the right way. Let's find out who made the very first mechanical tube mod in its standard bottom fire button configuration and ask them if they are pissed about all these high priced modders using their design. That might be fun.
     
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    The problem with that is back in 2008, some vapers actually created their own Bottom Firing Mech Mod in which they didn't manufacture for mass production. Vaping was innovated in 2003/2006 in China, yes...I know the concept is a lot older, yet a Chinese man went above and beyond to innovate this concept into reality. Modders have been around since 2007 and some created their own mods, so it's going to be the Rabbit Hole of a find.

    Dates/Years are most likely incorrect but I tried to remember the history.
     
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    Raise your hand if you ever put your face over a vaporizer as a kid.
     
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    Hand raised proudly and in a pinch a towel over your head and a steaming pot of water. An early vaporizer clone.
     
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    dont forget, paper, printing, and the compass...that along with gunpowder, the most powerful four inventions of all times.
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    Last post in this thread was October of 2014. Three years on and the argument about clones and authentic devices is still a thing. It has also morphed into a new area 3D printing. They are creating facebook groups making 3D printed mechanical box mods, squonkers and charging $200 + for them. Now I'm not against anyone making money by creating a solid working vaping device. I am all for a person getting paid for their time ect.. and so on. The problem is that they don't or can't? make enough of them and it always seems the same people get ahold of any "extra" ones and flip them for 4x what they are originally priced at. The hoops you need to jump through to even get a chance at buying the authentic is quite ridiculous most of the time.

    The same old high prices for dripping atomizers that get reproduced by a company in China. Some of those turn out to be better than the original in many cases, is still a thing. What hasn't happened however is any of the high device makers being forced out of business because a Chinese manufacturer made an affordable copy of their devices.
     
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