Anyone Vape after a heart attack?

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  1. Blazel78

    Blazel78 Silver Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    I know that's a weird question. But I have a friend who's like a father to me. He recently had a major heart attack. He was a pipe smoker for 40 ish years and he just quit cold turkey. He's been asking me if I think he can vape and I can't really give him a straight answer. I'm thinking I can mix him up something 0mg and give him an easy to use starter kit and it wouldn't hurt him. But I'd be crushed if anything happened to him. So here's my question. Has anyone in this group survived a heart attack or similar problem and continue to vape afterwards? I know that's a very morbid question. But I'm seriously trying to help someone. I really care about this man.
     
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    I really cannot say and expect that VERY few medical professionals could or would either.
    Just not much real data on that kind of thing and vaping.
     
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    I understand that. I couldn't really find much on a Google search that's why I came here. Maybe there's a chance someone had some experience with this problem
     
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    I agree too..

    I can see zero nic.. but as far as anything else, I wouldn't.
    Most pipe smokers go for the taste feel and smell anyways..
     
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    No experience but nicotine does raise your blood pressure a touch, and being the fact he just had a heart attack, skip the nic.
     
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    That's exactly what I was thinking. It was mostly for the flavor. Skip the nicotine and use as little ingredients as possible. I'll probably do a search on all the individual ingredients and see if I come up with anything
     
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    flavorah has the best pipe and tobacco flavors, so reach out to them or talk with a reseller :)
     
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    While I was still a member over on ECF this same question came up and there were a few people who replied that they had switched to vaping after a heart attack. It's probably important to take into consideration that nicotine has cardiovascular effects. I am not a health professional and this is probably a conversation your friend would want to have with his cardiologist.

    If it's the hand to mouth addiction he's struggling with, maybe your 0 nic idea would be worth trying.
     
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    Thank you! The first time he asked me I told him to ask his doctor what the doctor thought and if he got the ok I would put something together for him
     
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    If there is ANY lung congestion at all I would steer clear of vaping...
    Otherwise 0 nic may be fine... may...

    also maybe 50/50 PG/VG as high VG causes some lung congestion in some people like myself.

    Disclaimer: I have never played a DR on TV nor stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
     
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    I know there are VU members who switched to vaping after heart attacks, open heart surgery, just can't remember who off the top of my head
     
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    Thank you @JuicyLucy that is exactly why I posted this here. Hopefully one of them sees it and replies.
     
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    That's what I'm hoping

    Your friend might want to look into 0 nic NETs, it has a lot of what tobacco lovers crave but in minuscule amounts

    If he has truly gone cold turkey from the pipe, vaping pipe tobacco NET could very well give him what he needs
     
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    I know @chopdoc knows a thing or two about heart problems and vaping
     
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    Her's a quick response to an old post. If you want to breath something, nothing better then fresh clean air. Especially after a heart attack. If you choose to voluntarily inhale polluted air that's your free choice to do so. but asking which are the safest pollutants to ingest is a silly question. Especially to a person with a compromised cardiovascular system. The answer is, don't do it. Less harmful is still harmful. If you are determined to inhale something after your heart attack, sure vaping is the better choice than tobacco. But its still harmful
     
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    Thanks for the reply
     
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    I guess you do not work in the UK, eh?
     
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    Even in the UK Vaping is safer than smoking but doing neither is the safest.
    Vaping instead of smoking is harm reduction, not harm elimination.
    Vaping is NOT risk free.
     
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    Hey @Cromwell... can you pinpoint any cases for sickness, etc for vaping after a heart attack? Any lawsuits? Declarations?
    Would be good to read over those.. Thanks! :)
     
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    Nope just using the logic that vaping cannot be totally safe.
    As what the Nurse was saying. As I understand what she said.
    Vapiing is safer than smoking after a heart attack, but doing neither is safer.
    Humans are not designed to inhale PG/VG and food flavoring and such stuff.
    Clean air is best.
     
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    When you can actually show, then I will believe.. PG and VG are in asthma inhalers..
    so... show me proof Cromwell. not just a study.
    We all know how studies are rigged. again, thanks for your opinion.

    This has been a long detailed search of mine too..
     
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    Proof will come with time.
    camels_doctors_whiteshirt.jpg
     
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    You are brilliant.. ;) Keep shinning!
     
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    @Cromwell Thank you, however.. if you scroll up.. I even said to let the person vape, without nic.
    Nicotine is damaging to both veins and heart.. its a given.
    However, it is safer than lighting up a smoke, and with zero nicotine, a better way to calm the urges. This is an older study you popped up, 1997.. does not even discuss vaping.

    What few studies I have found, either omit vaping, or do not lean to the zero nic approach.
    VG and PG both are used in the medical world ads a way to transport needed medicines.
    So again, without nic.. is it really harmful?

    I can not, and you have not popped up anything stating it is harmful, as there is nothing out there, other than old studies and notes..
    When something does come out.. be sure to post it here.
     
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    I was a little surprised when they slapped a nicotine patch on my Mr when he was hospitalized after a stroke
     
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    They should have handed him a disposable mod :p
     
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    I slipped him a Von Erl - however, he was outside smoking with his IV stand etc before he got out :sad:
     
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    I'll try to keep this simple...There will be no proof coming for years, BUT, PG, VG, and flavoring are all liquid molecules. When you vaporize them the molecules don't change. Only their density changes. That's why you can inhale it instead of drink it. Now, when you inhale vapor it is going to displace some amount of air. Air is vital to humans and the higher quality the air, the better it is for you. The less the quality or amount of air you inhale the greater the potential for ill effects. This is basic chemistry and physiology. Granted the amount of pollutants is scant but when dealing with a person who has already suffered a cardio or pulmonary injury, vaping should not be encouraged. That said, I have recommended vaping to people who I know have no inclination to quit smoking and I might have looked the other way when a patient was vaping in the bathroom. It's harm reduction, not harmless.
     
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    I will keep mine as simple as possible too...

    When you smoke, you are prone to a number of diseases high blood pressure as well as heart attacks or heart failures, and lets not forget lung cancer.
    So smoking isn't good at all. I agree with everyone on this.

    There for as an alternative and as a natural, vaping is for the better.

    There are no studies and facts between high blood pressure and heart issues, at least for the most common public, here in the States. No proof it is bad or good at all.

    Despite it all.. between the 2, I would much rather promote vaping for smoking.

    Most vapers start out with high nic.. some stick with that high leveled nic, but most drop the nic levels.. some even manage to get to zero nic and either stay there or stop vaping all together.

    Can you say that with smoking? No... I answered for you.

    Have I said harmless, no I said and asked and no one can back anything up at all...

    that is a lot of quotes of mine, still unanswered..

    Nothing in life is perfect or guaranteed.
    but as a "nurse" you should be all for harm reduction, for the better of a patient. That is in the oath you took.. Remember it well.
    You do not have to "turn your back" but I will say nurses like you, cause people like me to avoid any type of treatment due to the way you are behaving, posting like it might kill me. What will kill me is still smoking and listening to a bunch of folks trying to say what is or isn't good for myself.

    You stick to you.. I will tend to me.

    I have a feeling you will not like this site, you are not here for the knowledge to understand and help your patients, by trying to tell me vaping is not safe. Go back to work, you need a new seminar or conference.. Education is good for a mind that refuses to acknowledge that for the betterment of a patient, learn everything you can without prejudice.

    and Yes, I am a heart patient. Thank goodness I do not live in NY with their regs ideas etc..
     
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    I personally didn't take his post as being condescending although I can see how some might. My take away is that he was just saying that nothing is better than fresh air, especially for a heart patient, something I totally agree with. I think it's clear that he believes vaping is less harmful than smoking. That he doesn't appear to be actively promoting vaping is a personal choice and in his particular case, made more difficult by the fact he is a medical professional. Perhaps it would be different if the medical establishment in the U.S. would embrace vaping for the harm reduction it offers but unfortunately to date, that hasn't happened

    None of us can say with any degree of certainty that vaping is completely harmless. That part of history has yet to be written. The necessary data relating to the long term effects of direct inhalation of VG/PG plus or minus flavoring and/or nicotine, simply doesn't exist yet. The fact of the matter is, we are the guinea pigs of this new experiment, lol.

    That said, I'm happy to be a participant because we already know the outcome of the alternative. :)

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    :D
     
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    At 52 I survived a massive pulmonary embolism and was in arrest a couple times. I've had a complete recovery other than having to take blood thinner for the rest of my life. I've smoked most of my life, tried everything from hypnosis, acupuncture and even Chantix to quit but I really didn't want to, so it started up again. I started vaping around 2k7 and was able to stop tobacco from 2k9 to 2k14. At that time I lost a son and went back to cigarettes again. After a month after leaving the hospital cigarettes were back, I have since have switched entirely back to vaping and feel great. When I was in the hospital the doctor said my lungs were clear except for blood which stemmed from a clot in my leg. My heart was strong and has returned to that condition after being stretched by the clot. Starting up smoking again really made me tired when going up stairs, when I switched to vaping the energy returned. In 2k9, I had a route with 20 to 30 stops a day, doing the same thing everyday, going up and down the same stairs etc.. It didn't take long after switching to vaping only I was able to run up and down two flights of stairs at full speed without breathing heavily. I didn't have to try, it just worked.

    So for me, vaping is the best. I agree with everyone who have said breathing clean air is best but, if you going to do something, from my experience, vaping with or without nicotine is not so bad. I've read that nicotine can cause Hypertension of the heart but, they did not say how much. The American Heart Association found that HA victims were 50% more likely to have another heart attack using mega vitamins containing hi doses of B (it's worth looking up) but caffeine is ok. So no Redbulls etc for your friend. It never hurts to check with the doctor but it can if you don't.
     
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    Thanks @cheepshot for posting your experience.. true diet and what you drink also effects heart patients.

    I hope to hear from others too! :)
     

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