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I've only been vaping in TC for quite awhile now. I believe people that think TC is only for avoiding dry hits are missing the point. It's about getting a consistent vape for me.
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I'm using my Ni200 coils up just to use them up - could be that TC isn't my thing because I've only tried it on cheap (KBox 120) and underpowered (IPV d2) devices, but after trying the KBox's TC for SS function I put it back into power mode...don't like feeling the power pulses as I draw, and I never had a problem with dry hits in the first place, as I suspect was the case for most of us who came of age when mech tubes were the only high-power devices.
You could be onto something Dave. I've pretty much only used DNA200's for awhile now. I think TC is where they really shine. I don't feel power pulses or surges. Maybe if I was using mods that were less suited for TC I would feel different about it.
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After seeing a Hohm Wrecker G2 TC'ing Kanthal (FOR REAL!) I am going to be putting in a order for 2 of them with my next check. I couldnt believe it myself until I handled it, threw my Griffin RTA with 3x26g/36N80 Alien Build on it and tuned it to 420°F and vaped and vaped until the Cotton was dry, and it fizzled and then stopped, you could still get some vapor but the cotton was as white as bleach and no traces of singeing or anything. I was blown away and I went from kind of liking TC for cold weather to needing it for my everyday setup. Its not so gimmicky when its Kanthal and you can use any type of build on it and it still works.
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Pulsing is an indication of improper configuration, either you have lower temp setting than should be, higher wattage than should be or improper TCR
in proper TC operation wattage should be only high enough to steadily reach your upper temp limit or a tid below it during a typical drag with your typical pull force, typical ambient temp, typical wick saturation... Etc
Temp limit is set in place to prevent burning during a less than typical hit.
If it is noticeably pulsing then you have not set it up correctly, tweak your parameters.
in proper TC operation wattage should be only high enough to steadily reach your upper temp limit or a tid below it during a typical drag with your typical pull force, typical ambient temp, typical wick saturation... Etc
Temp limit is set in place to prevent burning during a less than typical hit.
If it is noticeably pulsing then you have not set it up correctly, tweak your parameters.
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IPV4s, D2 and SX Mini all work flawlessly in TC when set up correctly. Never going back to power mode.
Goddammit..... Another good to buy ....
One of the best to by for tax purchases! That and a Point Blank Lite Mod and some Griffins/VCMTs and batteries!
Purchased a 4 bay chager, 10 Sammie 25r, Rx200, Laisimo L1, Crown tank with RBA And 2 packs of coils ....just earlier today.... LOL.
I have TC I no longer use it at all. And if I do I notice absoulttely no difference with the way I vape.. I got caught up in it I have 3 DNA 200's and no matter how I have tried to justify my use of it I cannot. However, If anything I now use SS only and my coils stay cleaner
I was holding out for the real Snow Wolf V2...I want the cleaner looking Lasimo..but found a deal on Ebay for 6 25R5's WITH a Efest Luc6 for $65 (Ive ordered cells from them previously and they were real), a Black VCMT, Black Griffin, 30mm VCMT and 2 Hohm Wrecker G2s and possibly a Panzer DNA200, a Point Blank Lite, and if I can get one a HOG V1 with the 46mm Alliance Fat Boy
stop making me buy more chinese crap!
HEY half of it is USA Made/Designedstop making me buy more chinese crap!
Gosh if I knew all of this before I spent so much monies chasing TC
I do the same
I only vape in TC mode exclusively. I use both Ni200 and SS. Smoothest most consistent vape I ever had. After using SS I am more inclined to vape in SS. It's a little more flavorful with a cleaner taste.
I tried tc once on my efusion, i didnt like it... even at 600f i found the vape to be too cool... plus i dislike how it starts off then cuts down on power when the hit is getting good.. seems i could never reach satisfying hit with tc. Cant get that hot vapor hit with it.
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Gosh if I knew all of this before I spent so much monies chasing TC
Yeah, I think should sell some mods LOL
Tried TC, mostly ignore it now because it didn't do anything positive for me. The Ni200 coils I used in various tanks never seemed to give a vape as good as I got with Kanthal or SS coils. I use wattage mode and I'm fine with it, I find avoiding dry hits is simple if you pay attention to the fill level of your tank! That being said I can see how that sort of smart system would be beneficial to an RDA.
That's what I thought, but my KBox automatically kicks to 120w in temp mode and can't be adjusted - even running at 550f that's too much, and I'd like to turn the watts down to like 70 but don't have that option. Could be a killer flaw in Kanger's chipset or fatal operator error in my dumb ass not being able to decipher how to adjust wattage.
i must be a dumb ass too, can't set my watt on TC with the Kbox 120 ... I vape around 450F ... works great for me.
I really want to like TC and have tried it many a times. I'm still fumbling with it. But still will not give up that easily. Just ordered a KBOX 200 and asking around for opinions about IPV5. Got a few other mods that do TC including both Wismec Reuleaux, IPV3Li, IPV D2, X BOX II (which after their last update works really great on SS), Cloupor mini+, eVic VT, etc.
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I'm kind of a nob here so feel free to ignore me,
but ..I would say that is not true at all. I run all my TC devices at a much higher wattage than they could handle in normal mode. Using TC they heat up quicker to the desired temperature, and then stay right at that set temperature.
To me, TC allows higher watts (to get to the desire temp faster), then holds it there for a more consistent vape, no matter how long of a draw I take. My favorite thing about TC is the consistency of the vapor, throughout the hit and from hit to hit.
I've never experience this "pulsing", others are mentioning here (and I don't have high end devices). It's the consistency of TC I like, the "no dry hits" is just an added bonus.
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Depending on how the chip on the device works, and if you have the TCR properly configured to reflect the resistance change of your wire accurately as it heats, also depending on what wire you use and the base resistance of your build, and what room temperature you lock that base resistance on, my experience with TC is with SS316 wire, its resistance change is not wide enough to allow for more robustness with less than optimal parameters configuration, with Ni200 your scenario would be very much valid, with Ti or SS430 as well, but with SS316 its resistance barely changes and thus it barely works properly in TC, SS316 is just on the edge, this is why it can be used in VW mode and in TC mode.I'm kind of a nob here so feel free to ignore me,
I would say that is not true at all. I run all my TC devices at a much higher wattage than they could handle in normal mode. Using TC they heat up quicker to the desired temperature, and then stay right at that set temperature.
To me, TC allows higher watts (to get to the desire temp faster), then holds it there for a more consistent vape, no matter how long of a draw I take. My favorite thing about TC is the consistency of the vapor, throughout the hit and from hit to hit.
I've never experience this "pulsing", others are mentioning here (and I don't have high end devices). It's the consistency of TC I like, the "no dry hits" is just an added bonus.
the operation of TC as it exists today is pretty random, everyone is having a different experience depending on wire type, TCR used or pre-programmed, chip type, ambient conditions, vaping style and so on ... so unless you place a thermostat on your coil to actually measure the wire temperature and adjust accordingly, TC as we know it will always be random/erratic as it become a guessing game.
The scenario you mentioned is the optimal case, not always achievable, also using very high wattage as a (faster ramp up) mechanism does not always work, at least it did not work for me, what happens in my case with the RX chip is that applying higher wattage would cause the wire resistance to rise rapidly which results in the chip temp protecting completely for the rest of the hit with very little vapor produced.
Just too many factors involved, use whatever works best for you, your opinion is as valid as any other opinion in this thread
Maybe there are better setups, and there probably are...but I haven't found them, so I'm trying to stay with what is working for me, which is TC. DNA40 is working. DNA200 is also working. Hobov2 and v3, Deadmodz, and a modified Kennedy...
26awg tempered ni200 and Velvet Cloud juice. If I'm satisfied with my vape, then it's working. For some reason I've had no luck with mechanical mods and wattage only mods with kanthal or even nichrome. So it's TC for me.
26awg tempered ni200 and Velvet Cloud juice. If I'm satisfied with my vape, then it's working. For some reason I've had no luck with mechanical mods and wattage only mods with kanthal or even nichrome. So it's TC for me.
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I just picked up an eleaf 100w TC. There are a few adjustments to make and not a lot of info on what settings to use. I winged it and I think TC works great. I'm hooked!
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TC is the way.
As said a couple times, if you're getting rattlesnake, you're not set up right. Watts too high or temp too low or a combo of both.
For me it's not to avoid dry hits, I'm way past that... been there done that a couple times years ago but this dog learns tricks.
It's about a fast ramp up to the temp I want, not over shooting at the end of the pull and not lagging to get to temp. Kind of like running a yihi chip on power mode with super duper powerful plus.
I have gone back to power mod with SS just for the heck of it but right back to TC after a session or two. TC is just better to me.
For me it's not to avoid dry hits, I'm way past that... been there done that a couple times years ago but this dog learns tricks.
It's about a fast ramp up to the temp I want, not over shooting at the end of the pull and not lagging to get to temp. Kind of like running a yihi chip on power mode with super duper powerful plus.
I have gone back to power mod with SS just for the heck of it but right back to TC after a session or two. TC is just better to me.
TC in my opinion is highly overrated...I mean it sounded like a good idea to prevent a dry hit dripping when it came out, but to use it in a tank? C'mon man!
I was in a local vape shop asking
about drip tips when a young dude sat his Reuleaux DNA 200 topped with a Crown tank, running the Ni200 coil, on the counter..I asked how he liked his DNA mod and said he liked it alot, especially using TC..
I asked why do you need TC with a tank when you can see the juice level ?.. He said it's about bigger clouds and better flavor... I literally laughed my ass off, and said OK..lets see your cloud.. He blew a wimpy see-thru "cloud" that was pathetic, lol
I had my RX200 with a dual 24g Nichrome build in the Griffin...at 75w in power mode my plume was long and thick, much to the youngsters surprise.. Told him flavor is great and I never come close to a dry hit, so I don't see the need to use TC...just more whistles and bells to use as a sales gimmick and to jack up the price of a mod...now lets see those custom drip tips I heard about... Lol
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I was in a local vape shop asking
about drip tips when a young dude sat his Reuleaux DNA 200 topped with a Crown tank, running the Ni200 coil, on the counter..I asked how he liked his DNA mod and said he liked it alot, especially using TC..
I asked why do you need TC with a tank when you can see the juice level ?.. He said it's about bigger clouds and better flavor... I literally laughed my ass off, and said OK..lets see your cloud.. He blew a wimpy see-thru "cloud" that was pathetic, lol
I had my RX200 with a dual 24g Nichrome build in the Griffin...at 75w in power mode my plume was long and thick, much to the youngsters surprise.. Told him flavor is great and I never come close to a dry hit, so I don't see the need to use TC...just more whistles and bells to use as a sales gimmick and to jack up the price of a mod...now lets see those custom drip tips I heard about... Lol
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I run TC with my tanks all the time. I find it to be the smoothest most consistent vape I have ever had.
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I don't vape TC to avoid dry hits. To say, "I never get dry hits so I don't need it," just tells me you don't use TC. I get a consistent hit every time no matter how long I chain vape for.
it's just a knee jerk reaction to the question if you vap TC...I don't get dry hits so I don't need it. It has nothing to do with dry hits.
it's just a knee jerk reaction to the question if you vap TC...I don't get dry hits so I don't need it. It has nothing to do with dry hits.
I love when they say I like the way it tastes with kanthal better. Really? So if you could dial in your coil just the way you like it and get the same vape every time you wouldn't like that? Oh, ok. Smfh.
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I drove through a blizzard coming home from work tonight with no traction control, no stability control, no ABS, just a set of Blizzaks. No problems at all, whereas I passed a Subaru struggling with their hazards blinking going 40 km per hour. Good equipment and skill are all that's needed...
The hit is not consistant for me at all in tc... it feels like a nice ramp up and a split second later it flat lines, before the hit got good... vapor is too cool even at 600degrees...
Best way i can describe tc for me is its like a half assed handjob that lasts only long enough to get you hard, then stops. Thats a tc hit, for me.
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Best way i can describe tc for me is its like a half assed handjob that lasts only long enough to get you hard, then stops. Thats a tc hit, for me.
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that sucks. it was high 70F today here in SoCal.
I don't know if he actually did, maybe... but the metaphor worked. Real or no, I get it.
Personally I think with TC you need good equipment and skill. With bad equipment (not stable resistance) and less skill (or not wanting to be bothered with dialing it in) I could see how it could be a disappointing experience. I think it takes more skill and or effort to properly set up TC, but the payoff is worth it imo.
I really don't get it. With the right equipment, setting your preheat right, etc. Your vape will quickly get to the temperature you like and stay there. As opposed to starting out low and constantly climbing until you let off the power. One is consistent, the other inconsistent. I just don't get it.
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I'm still on Kanthal.
I don't really upgrade unless the stuff I have will no longer meet my expectations or demands so I likely wont be upgrading from my Sig 150 for a while. Had it for almost a year now and it's still works fine. I almost didn't even upgrade to the 150 from the 100 last year, but I was close to maxing it out and wanted the extra wiggle room.
I don't really upgrade unless the stuff I have will no longer meet my expectations or demands so I likely wont be upgrading from my Sig 150 for a while. Had it for almost a year now and it's still works fine. I almost didn't even upgrade to the 150 from the 100 last year, but I was close to maxing it out and wanted the extra wiggle room.
If I were around experienced mechanical mod vapers and could try out their setups, and if I preferred their vape to my tc vape, then I would change my opinion and become a dual vaper (tc and mechanical or wattage controlled). But on my own, I haven't had good flavor from kanthal or nichrome builds...not compared to my ni200 builds. Of course I'm doing something wrong, but since tc is working for me, I don't really need the other.
Note on tc mod: when mod is cold, vape once or twice, then unscrew the dripper enough to see message "check atomizer" then screw the dripper down and choose "new coil"...this will increase the ohm reading and give you a stronger vape. I do this when I want a boost. Works with dna40 and dna200.
Note on tc mod: when mod is cold, vape once or twice, then unscrew the dripper enough to see message "check atomizer" then screw the dripper down and choose "new coil"...this will increase the ohm reading and give you a stronger vape. I do this when I want a boost. Works with dna40 and dna200.
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I'm vaping on the Plato at 475 with an Aspire Triton mini 0.15 coil and it rattlesnakes like crazy. Is there any way to stop that?