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This shit was behind a paywall so I hacked my way around it.

I'm posting the whole story here because no one should have to pay to read a fucking news article on the Internet - 5150


Companies violated law requiring childproof packaging for liquid nicotine

Violations of childproof packaging law cited
By Claire Hughes
Updated 4:47 pm, Tuesday, June 23, 2015



Albany

In the first act of enforcement of a six-month-old law, state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has reached settlements with four companies selling liquid for electronic cigarettes in bottles that were not childproof.

A law requiring child-resistant packages for liquid nicotine was signed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo in December, following the death of an 18-month-old Montgomery County boy who accidentally swallowed the highly toxic fluid. Eli James "EJ" Hotaling was the first child in the country to die from accidental ingestion of the substance.

Under terms of the settlement, two companies with outlets in New York City and two others that sell liquid nicotine online or through local retailers will pay a combined penalty of $95,000, be required to remove all noncompliant products from distributors and retail outlets, train staff on the New York law, and provide the attorney general's office with proof that their packages have been tested.

New York and a handful of other states have passed laws demanding childproof packaging on liquid nicotine. The federal government does not regulate the products.

The state settlements are part of a broader investigation into companies' compliance with the new law, as the e-cigarette use is rising, especially among minors, Schneiderman's office said.

"New York law is clear: liquid nicotine is highly toxic and must be sold in child-resistant packaging," Schneiderman said.

E-cigarette use among middle and high school students tripled from 2013 to 2014, according to a survey by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The American Association of Poison Control Centers reports a recent uptick in calls resulting from exposure to e-cigarettes and liquid nicotine. There were nearly 3,800 such calls last year, up from about 1,500 the year before.

The chief executive of one of the penalized retailers took issue with the attorney general's investigative tactics. Peter Denholtz, founder of the Henley Vaporium in Manhattan, said he was not aware of the new law, which went into effect in December, until March. By that time, investigators had already been in his shop purchasing bottles that didn't comply with the new rules.

Denholtz asked why Schneiderman's staff didn't put him on notice first.

"We would have been happy to comply and done more," Denholtz said. "Instead, I felt it was underhanded, it was a way to make a name for themselves, and a way to say, 'Aha, this is what goes on.' The connotations are so wrong, that's not what we're about."

Denholtz said he agrees the bottles of what he called "e-liquid" — because it does not always contain nicotine — should be child-resistant. Henley Vaporium is a cafe and lounge where adults can try various e-cigarette — or vaping — products, or buy some to bring home.

Denholtz said he signed off on the agreements because his operation is too small to fight the attorney general.

Other manufacturers hit with penalties under the state settlement are Rocket Sheep and ECig Distributors Inc., which sell products online or through local stores, and Beyond Vape, another New York City retailer. Rocket Sheep could not be reached. The others did not return calls for comment.

Beyond Vape had a notice on its website Monday that it would provide a refund or replacement of any product without childproof packaging bought by a New York customer since Dec. 29, the day Gov. Cuomo signed the law.

Told of the settlement, Judy Rightmyer of the Capital District Tobacco-Free Coalition was less impressed with the enforcement of the law than concerned over the thought that companies were disregarding it, especially in light of increased e-cigarette use. The liquid used to fill the e-cigarettes is often marketed in sweet, fruity flavors.

"What if a bottle that doesn't have a childproof top is sitting on a counter and this bubble-gum flavored "juice" is sitting there?" Rightmyer said. "A quarter teaspoon can kill a child. A teaspoon can kill an adult."

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""What if a bottle that doesn't have a childproof top is sitting on a counter and this bubble-gum flavored "juice" is sitting there?" Rightmyer said. "A quarter teaspoon can kill a child. A teaspoon can kill an adult."


I'm going to have to call bullshit on this.
I am not a child so I do not know how much will kill one.
The boy that died was chugging a bottle of 100mg/ml nicotine base used for mixing that HAD NO CAP ON IT! The police literally never found the cap. The "parents" and I use that term lightly said there was a fucking cork on there but the cap that was on their before the cork wasn't childproof.
 
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Sounds like Judy Rightmyer is a lying bitch-----. Retards talking out their ass...

Also, childproof caps? I know people that hand their medicine bottles to their grandkids to open because they can't. Elderlyproof lids would be a better name for them. They don't stop kids at all. Parents teaching their kids to not fuck with stuff would be a better idea.
 
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look
nicotine is a poison in any quantity. I see no harm in using child proof caps on all nicotine products. It adds pennies to the manufacturing cost. The liquid manufacturers make a huge profit margin on juice any way. It should have been standard in the industry from day 1 to prevent bullshit like this from happening. The industry needs to get on its toes and think one step ahead of the dumb asses in the media and government

Even if childproof caps dont stop any child from opening the bottles, it at least gives the APPEARANCE that the industry is trying to protect children to the brain dead media and the masses who watch it and believe it. And appearance is reality
 

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While I am a fan of child proof caps on bottles of ANYTHING that could potentially hurt a child (even if I have difficulty opening them myself) once again, where are the freaking parents?

Both of my kids grew up respecting the fact from an early age, you don't mess with Mom and Dads stuff.

Perfect example, when my daugher was about 2, she had climbed up onto the toilet lid, then up on the sink, then got into the medicine cabinet and she got her hands on my sinus meds which were in one of those foil backed packages that were supposed to be child resistant. And were not.

As I was WATCHING her, I noticed she was being quiet, snuck up and saw what she was messing with, made a quick trip to the kitchen, got a wooden spoon and warmed her fanny on the spot.

She never repeated that mistake.
 

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All juice should have child proof caps and while we are on the subject lets do away with the cartton'ish labels as well..

Juice makers are bringing a lot of this on themselves...
 

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While I am a fan of child proof caps on bottles of ANYTHING that could potentially hurt a child (even if I have difficulty opening them myself) once again, where are the freaking parents?

Both of my kids grew up respecting the fact from an early age, you don't mess with Mom and Dads stuff.

Perfect example, when my daugher was about 2, she had climbed up onto the toilet lid, then up on the sink, then got into the medicine cabinet and she got her hands on my sinus meds which were in one of those foil backed packages that were supposed to be child resistant. And were not.

As I was WATCHING her, I noticed she was being quiet, snuck up and saw what she was messing with, made a quick trip to the kitchen, got a wooden spoon and warmed her fanny on the spot.

She never repeated that mistake.
That is because you are a good parent. Those that aren't just want to pass the blame. If shitty parenting lead to severe punishment, that shit would stop quick.
 

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That is because you are a good parent. Those that aren't just want to pass the blame. If shitty parenting lead to severe punishment, that shit would stop quick.

And there are far too many people who want the government to play the parent. Shit, we're looking at multiple generations now that just expect that the government is going to step in and "protect" them from anything even remotely harmful. I think natural selection needs to be reintroduced. Let the stupid people kill themselves off.
 

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All juice should have child proof caps and while we are on the subject lets do away with the cartton'ish labels as well..

Juice makers are bringing a lot of this on themselves...
What passes for childproof caps or caps that are really childproof? Like with a lock and key, or a fingerprint scanner or something? There is nothing about the current "childproof" caps that is childproof of even child resistant. Maybe a locked box to store the stuff in would be a better option? Require proof of ownership of lockable storage for the juice, or proof that you don't have minors in your house.
 

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And there are far too many people who want the government to play the parent. Shit, we're looking at multiple generations now that just expect that the government is going to step in and "protect" them from anything even remotely harmful. I think natural selection needs to be reintroduced. Let the stupid people kill themselves off.
I agree 100%. If a parent leaves something dangerous laying around and their child gets hurt or dies, execute those parents. Then, when they have all been removed from the gene pool, there won't be a problem anymore.
 

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I agree 100%. If a parent leaves something dangerous laying around and their child gets hurt or dies, execute those parents. Then, when they have all been removed from the gene pool, there won't be a problem anymore.

Exactly. I'm so sick of the nanny state mentality these days.
 

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What passes for childproof caps or caps that are really childproof? Like with a lock and key, or a fingerprint scanner or something? There is nothing about the current "childproof" caps that is childproof of even child resistant. Maybe a locked box to store the stuff in would be a better option? Require proof of ownership of lockable storage for the juice, or proof that you don't have minors in your house.
I agree with your point..

Take bleach for instance.. I have a jug under my kitchen sink right now and it does not have a childproof cap. I don't have small children anymore (my son is 22) and when he was young I have those goofy child proof door hatches everywhere..

BUT......

Juice should have some type of childproofing on the cap.. Most parents these days are lazy idiots and it's amazing that their children actually survive their stupidity..
 

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BUT......

Juice should have some type of childproofing on the cap.. Most parents these days are lazy idiots and it's amazing that their children actually survive their stupidity..
Punishing the parents would work better. Knowing that they would lose their life for allowing something like that to happen would have a lot of people changing their lives.
 

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Punishing the parent does not bring back the dead child...

People are idiots and can care less. Life in prison does not stop people from murder so I fail to see how a child endangerment charge would convince a parent to be responsible..

A parent can be charged right now if their child got sick or died due to their negligence be it from ejuice or something else..
 

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Punishing the parent does not bring back the dead child...

People are idiots and can care less. Life in prison does not stop people from murder so I fail to see how a child endangerment charge would convince a parent to be responsible..

A parent can be charged right now if their child got sick or died due to their negligence be it from ejuice or something else..
Back to my gene pool comment...

I'm not talking jail terms or probation. No lesser punishment because it was negligence. Straitght up lethal injection at the minimum. Start making examples out of them. Bring back public execution, and MAKE people pay attention. This pussy ass slap on the wrist shit isn't cutting it. When they bring a set of parents out, tie them to a pole and light them on fire, people will start watching their actions.
 

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Gov. cumhole needs to seriously shut his cockholster.. I see he is trying to do damage control trying and failing to put out a corruption inquiry heads all up in his ass.

Honestly they need to sell two types... nanny state tard proof bottles for those with kids.
And non tard proof for the older folks or spawnless... or just flirting with Darwin.
 

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OK folks

we as a vaping community are not going to change the world and society. While many of us wish the parents were held more legally responsible then the manufacturer of a product that harmed a child, this is just not the world we live in and WE KNOW IT.

The vaping community as a whole should wake up and realize the REALITY of the world we live in and be prepared for it. Child proof caps is a no brainer. I was shocked the first time I bought ejuice and it had none. Child like images on ejuice?? seriously after Joe Camel??? what are those people thinking?

While we all may wish we could all be responsible people living in a world governed by common sense and personal responsibility, WE DO NOT AND WE KNOW IT.

We as the vaping community need to get our acts together and focus on the reality of the world as it is not as we wish it was. Child proof caps, non child like images on ejuice, listing ingredients on the labels, making devices that dont blow up in your hand, not selling to children, not vaping in crowded areas with total strangers, not vaping in front of a group of children at a childrens event, not throwing a fit everytime a hoe owner or business owner says you cant use that on my property,

these are all actions of responsible sensible people in the world as it is today.

dont give the government ammunition to use against us.

I coach a 10u girls softball team. I wish I could just vape while coaching 1st base or in the dugout, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, thats just not cool and does not set a good example for the girls. If I did that PARENTS WOULD FLIP OUT ON ME. SO being the sensible person I am, when I really need a vape during the game, I walk away from the field usually to my car or the bathroom and grab a quick vape. Trying to make sure The girls can not see me. I hate having to "hide" it, but it is what it is. I dont sit there and bitch at the parents and other coaches who might feel its inappropriate to do it.
 
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Punishing the parent does not bring back the dead child...

People are idiots and can care less. Life in prison does not stop people from murder so I fail to see how a child endangerment charge would convince a parent to be responsible..

A parent can be charged right now if their child got sick or died due to their negligence be it from ejuice or something else..

Once again: http://vapingunderground.com/threads/case-closed-in-fort-plain-liquid-nicotine-death.69613/
 

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Whatever happened to the Mr. Yuk green stickers?
My Mom taught me if I saw Mr. Yuk on something to stay away from that shit.
She put stickers on poison and I didn't fuck with it because I saw the sticker.

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