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As the beginning of the school year gets underway, part of my teacher in service included a great presentation by two DEA agents. For the most part it was great and did teach us a lot. However, when they started on vaping, I was a bit offended by how much they emphasized it as a means of drug use!! Yes I do understand that it can be used in that way, but coming from a little town, in which vaping and ecigs have not really caught on, it makes all vapers look bad! Just my rant for the day!
 

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I think the primary point of those presentations in schools is not to educate about drugs, but to explain what an addiction is. Vaping can definitely be an addiction, albeit one without grave financial or health consequences. No need to be offended.

Binging on chocolate too is an addiction in fact, and one that is probably more harmful than vaping. In an ideal world, your DEA guys should have mentioned compulsive eating in their presentation - and addiction to porn, video games, etc. But I suppose those particular addictions are the reserved domains of nutritionists and shrinks, and the DEA has to draw a line somewhere.
 

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To be honest, I was too intimidated to speak up. There were 3 school districts, plus the career center that was there. It was an excellent presentation as far as showing us where kids are hiding drugs, that was the whole point. They showed things like highlighters that work, but have secret places to hide a crack pipe, Pringles chip cans that head shops sell with false bottoms to hold drugs.

It was an eye opener to be sure and I thought it was great for the most part. They never discussed addiction whatsoever. They just gave ideas for how kids are hiding drugs. When they got to the vaping, most of the people from my school district had never seen that type of gear. They are familiar with the BLU ecigs. A friend of mine that rode to the store with me from school the day before (and I got out my dna30 box) and told her about how I was able to quit smoking), looked across the aisle at me and mouthed what the hell????

My point is not that the presentation was not good, I only wished they could have said something like.. While vaping can be used for good things.... I think you can understand where I am coming from.

I did learn a lot and it was a great use of my time. Many teachers complained that we teach little kids, but I looked at it from a parents stand point!
 

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I guess I should have made it clear that the entire purpose of the presentation was to show how head shops are selling name brand fake products and other means that kids use to hide drugs and drug paraphernalia. Like I said I learned a lot, I just wish they could have mentioned the other side of vaping!
 

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To be honest, I was too intimidated to speak up. There were 3 school districts, plus the career center that was there. It was an excellent presentation as far as showing us where kids are hiding drugs, that was the whole point. They showed things like highlighters that work, but have secret places to hide a crack pipe, Pringles chip cans that head shops sell with false bottoms to hold drugs.

It was an eye opener to be sure and I thought it was great for the most part. They never discussed addiction whatsoever. They just gave ideas for how kids are hiding drugs. When they got to the vaping, most of the people from my school district had never seen that type of gear. They are familiar with the BLU ecigs. A friend of mine that rode to the store with me from school the day before (and I got out my dna30 box) and told her about how I was able to quit smoking), looked across the aisle at me and mouthed what the hell????

My point is not that the presentation was not good, I only wished they could have said something like.. While vaping can be used for good things.... I think you can understand where I am coming from.

I did learn a lot and it was a great use of my time. Many teachers complained that we teach little kids, but I looked at it from a parents stand point!

I guess I am in with this bunch, although the information is a great tool for peers, I think if the kids see all this type of information it actually can have an opposite effect by educating the kids that were not aware of the different ways on how to hide and what is now being used for tools in drug use. Granted they will no doubt find out all these methods in many other ways, but I would hope they don't give these presentations to the whole school body and intend them to be for faculty only.
 

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When I was in high school we all hid our drugs (pot) at home or in the vehicle of the friend that drove.
Also Crackheads DO NOT go to school!

But honestly, If you are teaching grade 5 and under you chances of kids doing any of this stuff are slim to none.
I have seen 10 and 11 year old kids selling drugs on the streets in Baltimore but they are selling to junkies and not kids their own age.
 

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When I was in high school we all hid our drugs (pot) at home or in the vehicle of the friend that drove.
Also Crackheads DO NOT go to school!

But honestly, If you are teaching grade 5 and under you chances of kids doing any of this stuff are slim to none.
I have seen 10 and 11 year old kids selling drugs on the streets in Baltimore but they are selling to junkies and not kids their own age.
Funny, I started smoking pot at 9.
 

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Starting smoking anything at 9 is nothing to be proud of. Not because it's pot or tobacco, but because the lungs aren't fully formed at that age.

I should know, I started smoking at 11 and I feel really daft to have done that today...
 

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I guess I am in with this bunch, although the information is a great tool for peers, I think if the kids see all this type of information it actually can have an opposite effect by educating the kids that were not aware of the different ways on how to hide and what is now being used for tools in drug use. Granted they will no doubt find out all these methods in many other ways, but I would hope they don't give these presentations to the whole school body and intend them to be for faculty only.
It was for faculty only. However they had a parent meeting that was open to the public that evening.

I was blown away by the products that are out there. My husband used to teach grades 4,5, and 6 he had three convicted felons a couple years ago, one for sexual crimes and drugs, and two just sexual offenders. Two were fourth graders, one was selling drugs after hours on the playground to other kids. He was a fourth grader. Last year he started teaching one fifth gr class and the rest sixth graders. Several this year have probation officers for drug offenses. We live in a small rural community. ****** is a huge problem in our community right now, many teens have been battling this demon, and still attend school. Like one detective from our area told me, the addicts in our community aren't what they once were, they are becoming better and better at functioning in society.

And as for educating kids, you are so right my husband and I worked with a boy that went to juvy, he came out knowing more bad things then when he went in. Unfortunately, this April will mark two years since he was murdered by a kid that he had beat up earlier that week in a fight. The kid jumped him and stabbed him!

As for Baltimore, my daughter was thinking about taking a job at the zoo there before she decided to go to grad school so my husband and I went with her when she interviewed. Wow! I learned what a blue light district was! They made fun of me, because I had no idea what one was! Really kinda sad actually.
 

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Pretty damned sad world, kids bein raised without parents or with out parents with morals to teach them:(
 

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Pretty damned sad world, kids bein raised without parents or with out parents with morals to teach them:(
Yes it is, and you wouldn't believe the poor little kids in my class this year, 2nd graders with so much baggage! Three were drug addicted babies, ones mother lost custody when she was a toddler, got her back when the dad passed away this summer, and put on the parent survey she couldn't answer questions yet, because she was just getting to know her herself! Kids are not just being raised by grandparents, but great grand parents. As a teacher I know longer say your parents need to sign this or that, I say mom, dad, grandma, grandpa, your aunt, your uncle, the dog, the cat, whomever cooks your dinner and washes your clothes! Just to add a little humor because I don't want them to feel so different. Breaks my heart!
 

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I grew up in the Greater Los Angeles Area...to those of you in small towns, count your blessings....big cities can fuck you up, mentally, physically and emotionally. If you guys knew half the shit that goes on, that alone would depress you for a long time. The shit I know, keeps me up at night. I can tell you one thing for sure, the DEA doesn't give a fuck about anyone other than their accountants. They go to the schools, not for the kids sake, but to create doubt. They want you doubting yourself and the children. They want the children to doubt you, they want you all scared. They keep their jobs that way. It gets a lot worse than drugs...a lot worse.
 

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Best way to help a child.....listen to them and allow them to say what is on their mind, uncensored and raw.
 

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Best way to help a child.....listen to them and allow them to say what is on their mind, uncensored and raw.
You are so right. When I quit my principals job to remarry and merger a family, I missed going to school. I found that a had a knack for what they call ED kids, or emotionally disturbed. In reality they were kids that had been in trouble, resent authority.. You know the type. Anyway, that was 7 years ago. I still have a few that show up at my house sometimes, one had a relative that lived up the street, and found me! And one followed me home. He came from a large city, had been in gangs, had stab wound scars, most kids including my own girls that went to high school were scared of him. They did change their minds once they got to know him! I have been to juvy, and the local jail with my husband visiting students/wrestlers that he coached. Even picking up two car loads of kids to take to the funeral of the boy I mentioned before.

If I were a rich person, or could find the right type of grant I would put a class into the junior high high schools, and even the elementary schools, where kids learned about life skills. Our local children services teaches a ten day class to sophomores, but it's not enough. I had one girl blurt out in front of the other kids her mothers boyfriend red her, and the man wasn't supposed to be in the home but was. I have seen kids AND TEACHERS Push buttons of kids they know they can make "go off" and then sit back and watch the reaction or in the teachers case throw them out.

Many of them come from alcohol/drug addicted homes, homes in which when dad gets mad he hits mom or the kids, or everyone! Well then we wonder why they react this way? I always said there needed to be a classroom that. Kids like that could go to and talk issues out, the room that didn't have desks, but couches, and chairs and lamps, but most of all someone that cared!!!!!!

It is surprising what kids come to school and tell you, and I look at it the same way I always have when my own kids question me about something that shocks me, I remind myself that my reaction could affect the way they talk to me or what they talk about with me in the future. Honestly, at this point nothing much surprises me anymore, other than how sad of a world we live in!!!

Okay that's my rant for today, or this moment anyway! If you have kids, no matter how old or young they may be, please don't miss an opportunity to show them how much you love them, because PERCEPTION IS SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT WE MEAN! We may have great intentions, but how are children perceive things can be a totally different thing, and unfortunately, it's their perception of our words and actions that stick with them forever!!!!!!!
 

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Pretty bad when the DEA has to teach our children about the evils of anything.
 

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I grew up in the Greater Los Angeles Area...to those of you in small towns, count your blessings....big cities can fuck you up, mentally, physically and emotionally. If you guys knew half the shit that goes on, that alone would depress you for a long time. The shit I know, keeps me up at night..
Life can fuck a kid up no matter where they grow up. There's always predators out there lurking, waiting for the weak, unsuspecting, innocent little sheep. I've got a person or two, that if I ever find, well... anyway.

There's just a higher concentration of them around the major population centers.
 

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We have very similar "honey do" lists my friend.
 

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Pretty bad when the DEA has to teach our children about the evils of anything.

That's because the parents need to go back to school to learn how to raise their own children, they have kids most times unplanned, and are irresponsible because they themselves are doing the drugs that these presentations are trying to warn the kids about, its a viscous circle.
 

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I understood that the meeting was for faculty, thus the education statement was meant for them. ;)
 

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Very shortly after out children where born, we made the decision to get the "F" out of the city "Columbus, Ohio and raise them outside of a small rural town with great schools.

Best decision of my life, and theirs!

But now, ****** is really starting to move into this area as remote as we are.

Legalize Pot and tax it.

Use the proceeds to get rid of the really bad stuff!!
 

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That's because the parents need to go back to school to learn how to raise their own children, they have kids most times unplanned, and are irresponsible because they themselves are doing the drugs that these presentations are trying to warn the kids about, its a viscous circle.

Schools do not teach people how to raise children. I chose to homeschool both of my children. From an early age. My 14 year old son will be graduating with a high school equivalent by next summer, maybe sooner. It takes dedication and hard work, not relying on someone else to raise them. Public school is a breeding ground for trouble and dismay. College can be a waste of money, starting young men and women out in life, in debt. I believe Jr. College can help with life skills and give one the understanding of basic life principles. But to rely on "School" to save our children, is a lost cause.

If you have not been down, don't share your opinions...
If you have no kids, don't share your opinions...
Most of the children in our world, were unplanned....
Drugs are a problem and drugs do not care about your education, your age, your race, your job or your beliefs.
Great parents can be found in all walks of life, Horrible parents can be found in all walks of life.
I find your opinions to be lacking in experience and unhelpful.
 

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If you have not been down, don't share your opinions...I have
If you have no kids, don't share your opinions...I do and I will
Most of the children in our world, were unplanned....
Drugs are a problem. And drugs care not about your education, your age, your race, your job or your beliefs.
Great parents can be found in all walks of life, Horrible parents can be found in all walks of life.
I find your opinions to be lacking in experience and unhelpful.
As for the last statement, You do not know me so you do not have the information to judge how much experience I have, everyone has the right to their own opinion and there is an ignore button I think you should utilize.
 

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For the record, I was a horrible father!

Made them do their homework and punished them when they messed up.

And I am talking actual spankings when needed. Not the time out BS that is the norm today. But there were still some time outs if needed.

Went to PTA meetings and talked to their teachers as well.

Son was an Eagle Scout.

Both were honor students.

Both have college degrees and no arrest records.

Parents need to be held to their responsibilities and screw this "Everyone gets a freaking trophy" BS!
 

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As for the last statement, You do not know me so you do not have the information to judge how much experience I have, everyone has the right to their own opinion and there is an ignore button I think you should utilize.

You dont know any of those you just threw under a bus.
Your a great example to young women..ass photo avatar and the name whiskey...Hello iggy button.
I suggest you do the same.
 

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I threw no one under the bus, That's a fact, Your the one who came into the thread and started insulting members and schools/teacher, thanks for taking advantage of that ignore button, It makes it tons more easier for both of us.
 

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Ohh as far as my Avi, in your face doll, The Username is my dogs name know it all.

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Gotta hand it to you with this one my friend!

Got a sever case of the giggles going on with real tears running down my elderly chubby cheeks:D

And yes, I have already stolen you GIF!
 

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Im sure it was witty....and a good representation of her argumentative skills.
Yo. Foggy. I am officially offended. There. Is that what your looking for?. Thanks for the insight into the mind of the disturbed.
 

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Back to the original topic. I still say, without US educating the naysayers and yes DEA officers, we will end up regulated into something we don't want.
 

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I guess I should have made it clear that the entire purpose of the presentation was to show how head shops are selling name brand fake products and other means that kids use to hide drugs and drug paraphernalia. Like I said I learned a lot, I just wish they could have mentioned the other side of vaping!

If you want to hear something sick, school kids soak tampons in vodka and put em up where vodka soaked tampons shouldn't' be. Yea, Boys do it too. Supposedly the technique stops the odor of alcohol on the kids breath, but the problem is the genitals and anus are mucus membranes and tend to have blood vessels close to the surface which means a kid can get alcohol poisoning quite easily.
 

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As for the last statement, You do not know me so you do not have the information to judge how much experience I have, everyone has the right to their own opinion and there is an ignore button I think you should utilize.
@Whiskey, this guy fog is immature, He wants everyone to hear his opinion on subjects. If he doesn't agree with you, this is the kind of crap that he spews from his keyboard. Wait until you start to get the vulgar PM's from him. I did. He wants you to think he's an adult, his actions prove different. Debate anything with him and immediately he will start to show you how i immature he really is. Best to let him have enough time to prove his real self to the community. Soon everyone will be fed up with his antics.
 

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Scruba Mutt and Boozehound, the match made in heaven.
 

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Fuck you scuba, your the ass hole that has to be right all the time. Go crawl up her ass and stay there. And I would never send your pathetic ass a PM. When you debate with me, you get all pussy hurt because your a retard and couldnt debate a brick wall...Soon everyone will be fed up with my antics...thats why in less than a month ive almost passed you up on likes....Scruba Mutt and Boozehound, the match made in heaven.

Most of the smart ones already are.
 

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@Whiskey, this guy fog is immature, He wants everyone to hear his opinion on subjects. If he doesn't agree with you, this is the kind of crap that he spews from his keyboard. Wait until you start to get the vulgar PM's from him. I did. He wants you to think he's an adult, his actions prove different. Debate anything with him and immediately he will start to show you how i immature he really is. Best to let him have enough time to prove his real self to the community. Soon everyone will be fed up with his antics.

Yeah I figured as much...A bit of EMO mixed in there for good measure and likes to play with Iggy buttons, watch out your next..ROFLMAO!!

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Most of the smart ones already are.
You're fed up with me? boo hoo, you want some Cream for that itchy sandy vag of yours? maybe some butthurt salve...You're not as smart as you think you are.
 

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And whiskey....fail.
 

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You're fed up with me? boo hoo, you want some Cream for that itchy sandy vag of yours? maybe some butthurt salve...You're not as smart as you think you are.

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