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death2fake

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The only stuff I can find is spider silk. What other options are out there? Or good deals. Please link me if possible. Thanks.
 

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Updated my ipv4 for titanium so now I need some wire. Checked out fasttech but what they offer is an alloy so That is out of the question as I would assume that the resistance curve to temp would nt be the same as pure titanium. Looked at spidersilk but $1 a foot seems like robbery to me. Checked out the link above by @krashkrieg (thanks by the way). Ordered some 28awg and 26awg. This is grade1 the same as spidersilk advertises. Spidersilk refers to a special process to clean the wire to remove oils but doesn't elaborate on that. The wire from the above link says it is acid treated which would do the same thing i'm guessing but don't know for sure. I will probably ultrasonic clean the wire in alcohol before use but if its pure titanium I don't see how it wouldn't be great for coils. Any opinions welcome
 

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I ordered some 26, 28 and 30g Ti from Unkamen on Tuesday (they had a free shipping coupon for orders of $20 or more, so I went with a few different gauges to experiment with). Shipped on Wed; had it on Sat. Nice packaging on spools that are easy to use and clearly labeled as to gauge. Plus got a little gift pack of beads and other bits for crafts (which I passed along to my neighbor since I'm not much for crafting/jewelry making).

The wire did need some cleaning. I used isopropyl alcohol and a cotton ball, and it cleaned up well. I was glad to find that it was not as springy as I thought it would be. It's a little more springy than kanthal but not by much.

Still experimenting with coils so can't say as of yet if I like Ti more than Ni200. But if you're looking for a vendor, Unkamen is a good place to shop, and a lot cheaper for Ti than other places.
 
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nodor

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Thanks to both of you ! Was worried I might have to take up jewelery making instead of vaping LOL
Was looking at the steam engine site to get an idea of no of wraps I could expect to wind. Was pleasantly surprised to see that 28 should work nice for single coils and 26 for dual. Am looking forward even more now to getting it.
 

nodor

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Got my wire in and immediately wound up a couple of 26awg coils for my zephyrus with rayon. First couple of tanks tasted like crap but after that its pretty good. Should have cleaned it first but oh well !! SoI got 4 attys in front of me. One with kanthal one with nickel one with titanium and one with stainless steel. All taste pretty good but in all honesty I would pick the kanthal in a blind taste test.
 

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Thanks I put a order in on some spider silk I'll try unkamens stuff as well. That unkamens stuff looks ruff. Like wielding rods. I dunno seems strange. Is the acid doing that to it?
 
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digiplay

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So I've been using unkamem Ti wire and I have to say. I'm getting a horrible metallic taste. I cleaned it and am making s non contact coil. There doesn't appear to me a massive change in the wire but it concerned me to taste such a strong metal taste. Any thoughts on that!

Btw first post in here I think, been reading forever. So hello everyone.
 

AmandaD

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So I've been using unkamem Ti wire and I have to say. I'm getting a horrible metallic taste. I cleaned it and am making s non contact coil. There doesn't appear to me a massive change in the wire but it concerned me to taste such a strong metal taste. Any thoughts on that!

Btw first post in here I think, been reading forever. So hello everyone.

I got that with the 24 gauge but ot the 26 gauge. I suspect the 24 gauge wasn't making a good connection.
 

death2fake

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Im not sure. I've never done non contact with Ti. I am yet to try that jewelry wire. Looked to ruff in the pictures. I prefer a polished smooth wire. I get metal taste from ni200 sometimes. It's why I don't use it often. I'd say try to make a contact coil. Titanium is supposed to be the cleanest tasting stuff out. That jewelry stuff is suggested to be cleaned before use also with alchol. They have some kind of oil on it or something. It's not for vaping.
 

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Thanks. I'm using the 26 and I have some 24 from rio grande too.

I cleaned both.

Are contact coils ok with titanium? They don't work well with nickel at all.


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Yup contact coils work great with titanium.

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I have switched to using all TI in my TC mods.( I got nasty flavor from Ni200 I think im one of those people that can taste Nickel). I have been using Sweet spot Ti wire. both the 0.4 and 0.5mm I use the .4mm in tanks and the .5mm in my RDAs. I clean my wire off with Simple green and then soap and water don't want to dry burn Ti wire at all. Id like to find some 28 or 27 gauge stuff to play with but have not found a place to source it from. I just about gave up on Ni200 and TC mods until I started using Ti wire.
 

digiplay

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I just rebuilt again. It's better but it still has this powdery flat taste. This is the unkamen wire. Cleaned. I'm really not digging titanium over nickel or even stainless steel. Of all of them I taste ti the most. M
I have 24 tk another manufacturer. I don't typically like working with that gauge. I made a mistake ordering it. I will try a build with it but I'm skeptical as my experience so far is not good. At the very least it seriously muted he flavor. Worst case it's injecting something into the vapor that tastes bad.


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digiplay

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Made a contact coil with titanium, it reacted like nickel does. Temp readings were way off legs get mega hot

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If the leg are hot your build is off. I make ti contact coils all the time, and they work well if you get them right!
 

digiplay

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That's usually my thought too. But bio tin a squape is about the easiest buikd you're ever going to do. And I have made thousands of coils myself. More than familiar. The material resistance changes

I'll try again but I feel there's a reason most people don't use contact coils when making temp control builds.

Maybe the mod didn't read it right. Due to it being beta

I'll try again
 

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Ti from unkamen needs to be cleaned well. I use iso-alcohol a few wipes in each direction then soak in dish soap for awhile them rinse well and dry.

It should come out Shiney bright silver, like nickel. If it is still dull colored it's still dirty.

As far as contact vs non, makes zero difference on a snow wolf, not sure about the other TC devices, I don't have them.

"Hot Legs", are a result of your build. Ensure your legs are as short as possible.

You are the first person I've heard that is getting a taste from Ti wire, so I suspect it's a residue issue left on the wire. When you have removed a coil after use what does it look like, colors I mean?
 

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so I just did a build with ti. Taste fine. Cleaned it with dawn and rinsed. Only difference I'm seeing is the fact that I'm really having to ramp the power up to get a similar vape to nickel. It tons easier to work with than nickel too. And I don't know who started the don't dry burn crap, but I set my mod to 15 watts, pulsed to form coils and they barely changed color. It's apparent that ti can take a ton of heat. I could only imagine the heat needed to powderize it. People make it seem like it the coil glows, you better throw it out or death is sure to follow
 

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When the coil gets gunked eventually you can use that low power dry burn and a bowl of water. Heat it up, then dip coils in water and all the gunk will fall right off. Might have to repeat a few times but it works to clean very well!

The extra wattage vs ni 200 is probably due to the extra mass of the coil because it's a lower gauge vs what most people use for ni 200.
 

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Been using ti, but I like nickel more for temp control. I believe titanium would be better for regular wattage vapor.
 

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Ti does work better on my snow wolf that doesn't do joules, than it does on tc devices that go into joule mode
 

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Death2fake, that may be why I'm getting such good results. Using Ti only on a snow wolf, my SX350J mod should be here to fiddle with and test Ti with. Also have a SXK 60watt in the mail to test out "nickel purity" to see if it can control ti well.
 

diyguy

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I'm struggling a bit figuring out how to build my first temp control (Ti) coils for my yet to be delivered Evic VTC mini.

I'm trying to decide what resistance to shoot for, and how to hit that resistance using 26ga Ti (as 26 seems a popular choice here) with enough wraps.

I shoot for .15 ohms for a single coil, (is that about right?) but I can't make the numbers work in the steam engine calculator, and end up with just a couple wraps. Am I overlooking something?


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CorallineAlgae

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For a 0.15 ohm coil with 26 gauge Ti wire on steam engine it gives me 3.5 wraps on a 2.5mm rod & 3 wraps on a 3mm rod. Things look much better with 24 gauge Ti at around 5 wraps.

I know 26 gauge kanthal is really popular, but for titanium 24 gauge (edit) seems better, unless you twist it... maybe.
 
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Myk

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You should only use TI in TC mode!

The other product people use it for non-TC. It takes bright red to create the white dust titanium dioxide. Dull - medium red is between blue and light blue. All the colors are titanium dioxide, I'm guessing it's only the white that comes off and presents a risk. You shouldn't be getting any coil that hot while vaping with any method.

It's actually kind of interesting in V mode. Depending on the mod abilities, build and settings it could work as a defacto TC. But I haven't messed with it too much.
 

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For a 0.15 ohm coil with 26 gauge Ti wire on steam engine it gives me 3.5 wraps on a 2.5mm rod & 3 wraps on a 3mm rod. Things look much better with 24 gauge Ti at around 5 wraps.

I know 26 gauge kanthal is really popular, but for titanium 26 gauge seems better, unless you twist it... maybe.
Do a 6 wrap on a 2.5 rod. I usually try to keep it under .4 for single and around .1 for dual

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My DNA 200 does the same. I started packing cotton around the coils and it seems to work better. I use rtas thou. You could use nickel, which has no issues with regulating
 

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anyone order from unkamen supplies?

i have a roll, but when i clean it i cannot get it to a silver metal color. this stuff is sorta orange/red... anyone else?
 

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anyone order from unkamen supplies?

i have a roll, but when i clean it i cannot get it to a silver metal color. this stuff is sorta orange/red... anyone else?

That's where mine is from. It's more of a gunmetal grey. I wiped it down with something, tasted bad. Cleaned the whole spool in the ultrasonic, wiped it down with vinegar, tasted OK.
Tested what using fire on it takes to light it, started using a lighter to get it to a dull red, wipe it down with a dry towel just in case. Tastes fine from the start, and is easier to wrap.
 

AmandaD

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anyone order from unkamen supplies?

i have a roll, but when i clean it i cannot get it to a silver metal color. this stuff is sorta orange/red... anyone else?

I use Unkamen - I have the 24 gauge which was dull, and I had no success with (too thick to trap the leads properly in my tanks), and 26 gauge which I use all the time and is fine. I've also used their 28 gauge which works well.
 

diyguy

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That's where mine is from. It's more of a gunmetal grey. I wiped it down with something, tasted bad. Cleaned the whole spool in the ultrasonic, wiped it down with vinegar, tasted OK.
Tested what using fire on it takes to light it, started using a lighter to get it to a dull red, wipe it down with a dry towel just in case. Tastes fine from the start, and is easier to wrap.
Did you use plain water in the UC? And did you unwrap the wire from the spool? Just wondering, I may do this. I've been wiping with acetone or alcohol up to now, but am just getting started with Ti.
 

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Did you use plain water in the UC? And did you unwrap the wire from the spool? Just wondering, I may do this. I've been wiping with acetone or alcohol up to now, but am just getting started with Ti.

ive been using 99% isopropyl alcohol and cannot get the red/orange color off of it.
 

Myk

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Did you use plain water in the UC? And did you unwrap the wire from the spool? Just wondering, I may do this. I've been wiping with acetone or alcohol up to now, but am just getting started with Ti.

That was confusing, I have IBD, UC means Ulcerative Colitis, I call my ultrasonic a US :)
If I didn't just throw it in the Tide I use to clean jewelry I put it in vodka. I opened the spool, I must've put it in alcohol, in a little jar would've kept it from completely unraveling.
Vinegar is good to wipe it with. Someone suggested it and it works good. I think the taste I got was sulfuric acid, acid cleans acid.

I advise against acetone, that's some pretty bad stuff to potentially ingest.

ive been using 99% isopropyl alcohol and cannot get the red/orange color off of it.

You won't. It's probably from heat (maybe so many vapers are using him he's stopped stripping it or maybe your wire didn't get stripped). It's anodized titanium dioxide. I only think white dust is the inhalation risk titanium dioxide, I hope so because vaping temperatures seem to produce brown-orange.
 

2c5000

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You won't. It's probably from heat (maybe so many vapers are using him he's stopped stripping it or maybe your wire didn't get stripped). It's anodized titanium dioxide. I only think white dust is the inhalation risk titanium dioxide, I hope so because vaping temperatures seem to produce brown-orange.

are you saying it will stay this color before even heating it? as in it got that color from the manufacturing?

the spider silk i have used does not color at all. even under vaping temps. those coils stay "silver" in color even after weeks of use.
 

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are you saying it will stay this color before even heating it? as in it got that color from the manufacturing?

the spider silk i have used does not color at all. even under vaping temps. those coils stay "silver" in color even after weeks of use.

Yes. I would almost worry more about titanium that doesn't color from heat and wonder why.
But the color is definitely titanium dioxide so I'd rather it not be there.
I might have to get some of that spider silk to mess with.

Unkamen's is definitely not finished well for jewelry wire. Try a scouring pad or polishing sand paper if you have any.
 

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Yes. I would almost worry more about titanium that doesn't color from heat and wonder why.
But the color is definitely titanium dioxide so I'd rather it not be there.
I might have to get some of that spider silk to mess with.

Unkamen's is definitely not finished well for jewelry wire. Try a scouring pad or polishing sand paper if you have any.
I guess if you were actually using it for jewelry a tumbler would take care of the finished product!

I stick 6"pieces in the UC along with a bit of dish soap and hot water.
 

digiplay

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I ended up cleaning with dish soap and then hit it in an ultrasonic cleaner. That gets the funk out mostly.

All this said I don't really find any benefit using titanium wife over nickel. Don't have s pile of to here with it much need. Stainless is preferred to titanium for me.
 

2c5000

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I would almost worry more about titanium that doesn't color from heat and wonder why.

i was under the impression that when running Ti wire in TC mode that it would not reach temps high enough to cause any color...?
 

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