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Honestly if they really wanted to stop all this they could ban the sale of tobacco products to anyone born after the year 2000.
In 50 years the cartels would be selling cigarettes and the government would be selling w....
Wait, that is about to happen isn't it?
That is the problem. They don't have the right to ban anything. Don't we, the people, have the right to make our own choices? We need to execute the traitors that think they have the right to ban anything. When they start dying, maybe then they will figure it out. Our government built the mafia, cartels and all that with their unconstitutional laws. When prohibition was found to be unconstitutional were any of the members of our government that promoted it punished? No. Same thing with everything else they outlaw or regulate, if the people want it, they will get it. The only reason cartels exist is because our government made them happen. Supply and demand, if there is a demand, someone will supply it.
 

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I'll never understand why it always boils down to "us and them" when THEY are always outnumbered.....
Because too many people just knuckle under and take it. Also, all the vices try to seperate themselves from the other vices. The way I look at it, if our vice is ok, we need to accept the vices of others. If you think that the government has the right to ban someone else's vice, what's to stop them from coming after yours? If we all got together, we would outnumber the other side, and this would be a non-issue. One group pushes us all around because we don't stand up for each other.
 

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THIS IS WHAT WE ARE UP AGAINST.
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So Cherry and Berry are market to kids, nicotine is as addictive as ******, and the colors of the packaging are directed at children...then WTF is this?
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If any of this BS nonsense was true these would be flying off the shelves, they are right next to the candy at every pharmacy I walk into!
 

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I wasn't trying to be a dick, just pointing out that your name could be misconstrued easily. I've seen people nearing triple digit age still wearing shirts with cartoons on them and eating "children's" cereal. Age has nothing to do with what you like. Now, I do agree that they shouldn't steal copyrighted images, but I dont see cartoons on the label as advertising to kids. A lot of generation X just never gave up on cartoons...
Whether or not you or I do, doesn't matter. What matters is giving fuel to the govt and anti's. Remember when the govt forced R.J. Reynolds to drop their useage of their Joe the Camel caricature for their Camel brand cigs because it was considered by the govt. to be a means of marketing to kids?

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But I really like that video. It disturbs me. It makes me angry. But it's true.
let's be honest....does the throng actually desrve to be treated like human beings....you can't con an honest man......it's really quite easy to have contempt for the throng and see the point of the dot. they take it so why not shovel it one.
 

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Whether or not you or I do, doesn't matter. What matters is giving fuel to the govt and anti's. Remember when the govt forced R.J. Reynolds to drop their useage of their Joe the Camel caricature for their Camel brand cigs because it was considered by the govt. to be a means of marketing to kids?

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And that was something that our government did not have the right to do. Simple as that. They are overstepping their bounds to placate people that believe they have to right to run your life, but won't take responsibility for their own kids. The people that are bitching are the ones that should be drug out into the street and shot. Your kids are a reflection of you, not the reflection of business across America. They need to take responsibility for their shitty parenting, not put the blame on others. Don't give up to trash like that! Send blame their way.

I've seen Toyota adds that were 100% marketed to kids. The whole commercial was a kid saying his parents got a cooler minivan than other kids. Why is it ok for Toyota to market to kids? They can't legally drive or sign into a finance contract. That bothers me way more than an item for adults that requires proof of age to buy having cartoons on the label.
 

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And that was something that our government did not have the right to do. Simple as that. They are overstepping their bounds to placate people that believe they have to right to run your life, but won't take responsibility for their own kids. The people that are bitching are the ones that should be drug out into the street and shot. Your kids are a reflection of you, not the reflection of business across America. They need to take responsibility for their shitty parenting, not put the blame on others. Don't give up to trash like that! Send blame their way.

I've seen Toyota adds that were 100% marketed to kids. The whole commercial was a kid saying his parents got a cooler minivan than other kids. Why is it ok for Toyota to market to kids? They can't legally drive or sign into a finance contract. That bothers me way more than an item for adults that requires proof of age to buy having cartoons on the label.
Oh I agree, it completely violates the whole free market concept. We've become a country that doesn't want to parent their kids and expects the govt to do it for them. I once lived near a family whose 15 yr old girl was climbing out the window at night and staying out til the wee hours of the morning, getting drunk, having sex with grown men, etc. If I was her parent, her bedroom window would have been boarded up after the first time and the guy beaten to the brink. But, there's no sense in giving them (the govt and antis) more ammo than they already have.
 

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Oh I agree, it completely violates the whole free market concept. We've become a country that doesn't want to parent their kids and expects the govt to do it for them. I once lived near a family whose 15 yr old girl was climbing out the window at night and staying out til the wee hours of the morning, getting drunk, having sex with grown men, etc. If I was her parent, her bedroom window would have been boarded up after the first time. But, there's no sense in giving them more ammo than they already have.
We need to give them ammo, but we need to be firing it at them. They want to smear us, we need to fight back. The screwed up vocal minority has been shifting blame away from themselves for way too long. We need to put them in their place, below contempt. As I see it, the biggest problem our country has and needs to take care of is shitty parents. People need to shift attention to them, not worry about stupid labels on little plastic bottles. Media attention can can be used against them too.
 

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So Cherry and Berry are market to kids, nicotine is as addictive as ******, and the colors of the packaging are directed at children...then WTF is this?
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If any of this BS nonsense was true these would be flying off the shelves, they are right next to the candy at every pharmacy I walk into!

I use this one all the time in my "gateway is bullshit" argument.

Kids like gum, kids like fruity flavors, how come there is not one child in the world who started off chewing nicotine gum and is now helplessly addicted to tobacco cigarettes?

For most people complaining about gateways they understand that they can not explain this and if vaping was a gateway to smoking then the same should surely be true for chewing gum infused with "deadly", "toxic", "poisonous" nicotine..

But it never happened. The stuff has been on the market for decades but i haven't heard of even one time that this has happened.

Have you?

Even though the nicotine comes in flavors and they put the boxes down low where the kids could get to it.

I usually win the gateway argument with this
 
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We need to give them ammo, but we need to be firing it at them. They want to smear us, we need to fight back. The screwed up vocal minority has been shifting blame away from themselves for way too long. We need to put them in their place, below contempt. As I see it, the biggest problem our country has and needs to take care of is shitty parents. People need to shift attention to them, not worry about stupid labels on little plastic bottles. Media attention can can be used against them too.

But THEY have the money, THEY own the media, WE are the little guy.

It's way tougher than you think when the vocal minority also happen to be the 1%.

I 100% agree that your fantasy world would be a wonderful place to live in.

I would move in, you could be president or Grand Pooba (that sounds so much cooler:))

But that's all it is, a fantasy.

Hitler said it best and the practice has been used by our government since the reefer madness and prohibition days:


“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
 
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I want to take this time to personally thank every single person who commented or even just liked a post in this thread

I didn't want you to agree with me if you did not.

I wasn't expecting us all to agree and I put this in 'you mad bro' on purpose so you could say whatever you want.

If you think i'm a fucking dick then feel free to call me one. (I'm expecting to be called a dick here guys! So let it flow:D)

If you think the government is a bunch of mafia con artists who are trying to create their own personal Utopia then I agree.

They need us, they work for us and they sure as hell aren't going to go to work 12+ hours a day and do our jobs.

This is proof that vaping works we have people from all over the United States (and even the whole world) who all vape in different ways with different mods, liquids, and atties.

It would be a miracle if any of us use the exact same mod/atty/liquid as our All Day Vape

That's why the government could never do this. They have a patch, a suicide pill, and 5 different flavors of gum in their anti - smoking arsenal.

No wonder it only worked for 3 or 4 % of smokers.

Keep fighting, if a tax comes to you town then fuck it. Buy online or from a friend who makes it under the table.

If a indoor use ban comes to your area then fuck it, get good at stealth vaping.

If someone asks you about it educate them and if they smoke send them to a reputable vendor.

 

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let's be honest....does the throng actually desrve to be treated like human beings....you can't con an honest man......it's really quite easy to have contempt for the throng and see the point of the dot. they take it so why not shovel it one.
That was interesting. Now let's hear your viewpoint on the Holocaust....
 

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I usually hold my tongue when it comes down to this but screw it.. it's almost 4 am and I have nothing else to gripe about with no organized or planned thought process and with the mouth only a sailors mom could kiss.

No matter what, kids will always want something they can not or SHOULD not have.


Kids now days are smoking " The Devils Lettuce " like they majored in hydroponics in college and cooking up brownies for desserts like they were Paula " dweed "! BUT the only thing I've see is Medical Dispensaries popping up EVERYWHERE LIKE MCDONALDS advertising with a giant green Medical cross like that of a hospital.


but fuck me jesus if anything is candy flavored or has a colorful image on the label or is somewhat tasty!! it's directed directly at our little baby children!! if it's marketable and consumable it's going to target our baby children!!
How dare they not market and distribute awful sounding and tasting flavors/products?!?! how dare they!
- honestly, I can see some old hags in a knitting group bitching like that, really sounds like some soccer mom tree hugger bullshit -



oh and I almost forgot about how many of the local kiddies are drinking adult beverages, dropping out of school, having sex and little girls getting pregnant !! I wonder if that all started with Dewwshine or alcoholic look alike beverages that are DIRECTED AT CHILDREN or when they watched 16 and pregnant? Where are the bullies stepping in trying to jack that up?

It's like the advertising to children topic is being abused and used as a patsy so that the FDA or who the fuck ever can
barge their way in the front door to fuck shit up!

Jesse the talking parrot told me himself to type down what he is saying " I would love to give them a big kiss with
D'z parrot Nutz"

That's a good solid rant, pretty concise too.;)
 

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That was interesting. Now let's hear your viewpoint on the Holocaust....

... but I don't see a connection.

Oh wait, fascist pigs?

I dunno if the U.S. would do something so overt on their own soil these days. It's been a while since we had concentration camps in the U.S.
 

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That was interesting. Now let's hear your viewpoint on the Holocaust....
What is your point.....though I doubt a Palestinian would share it.
The masses are so easily manipulated, they are such contemptable cowards,they run with the herd...very few individuals will stand alone against , whatever popular thought the elitle can manufacture. You ask most people what they think about any popular issue and their eyes glaze over and they recite what they heard on the goverment sanctioned media outlets and the recite it verbatim, they don't even put in enough effort to rephrase it to give you the illusion they think for themselves...the popular narritive is manufactured by the elite, and the so called victimized throng are just as brutal as the elite against anyone that doesn't conform to popular thought, the crowd turns into a pack and tears apart anybody that dissents against popular thought.....I should respect them?
 
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... but I don't see a connection.

Oh wait, fascist pigs?

I dunno if the U.S. would do something so overt on their own soil these days. It's been a while since we had concentration camps in the U.S.
ask the jews of europe.....they told themselves "It couldn't happen here"....there were jews whose families had been in Germany for centuries...who had fought and died to protect Germany, there were Jewish Generals before the rise of Hitler,they were Germans....they couldn't wrap their minds around what was happening before their eyes, some could and they left......but yeah it can happen anywhere Americans are fools to think it can't happen here...we are not immune to human nature.
 

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Just because someone takes something does not mean they deserve for it to be "dished out."
 

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But THEY have the money, THEY own the media, WE are the little guy.

It's way tougher than you think when the vocal minority also happen to be the 1%.

I 100% agree that your fantasy world would be a wonderful place to live in.

I would move in, you could be president or Grand Pooba (that sounds so much cooler:))

But that's all it is, a fantasy.

Hitler said it best and the practice has been used by our government since the reefer madness and prohibition days:


“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
The Hitler quote is a nice piece of dirt. When our government compares to Hitler, it's time for our military to kill them all so we can start over. It's pretty simple to start calling our enemies nazi's and throwing dirt all over the place. Or maybe the nazi party, er, I mean republicans have worn that out? Not that democrats are any better, opposite sides of the same counterfeit coin to me.

The 99% need to turn on the 1%. There are 99 time more of us, why do we let those traitors rule us? Anyone that has friends in the military, start convincing them to shoot politicians. That's all we need to win this.

Save the children groups=Nazi scum
Pro gun control=Nazi scum too. Hitler was the first big gun control advocate, thus anyone following in his footsteps needs to die as well.
UN=Nazi. Any UN supporters need to die as well.

It doesn't need to be a fantasy, we the people just need to stick together. It wouldn't come easy, but we can win. Most of our military isn't happy with our government, and part of their job is to protect the people and keep the government under control. Well, it's time for them to do it.
 

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ask the jews of europe.....they told themselves "It couldn't happen here"....there were jews whose families had been in Germany for centuries...who had fought and died to protect Germany, there were Jewish Generals before the rise of Hitler,they were Germans....they couldn't wrap their minds around what was happening before their eyes, some could and they left......but yeah it can happen anywhere Americans are fools to think it can't happen here...we are not immune to human nature.

In the U.S. we'd need a specific focal point before my family is breathing that special vapor again

The US isn't united, not in facisim, not in nationalism (yes, the precursor), not in anything. It's four of five separate countries in people's attitudes. It's amazing it is still a single country.

One of the reasons that Hitler had so much success is actually because as a small country facing a significant economic downturn the people were easily swayed by nationalist rhetoric.

The internet makes that much harder, I wonder if hurler would've enjoyed the same drug fueled success in the world of today.
 

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Just because someone takes something does not mean they deserve for it to be "dished out."
I'm not talking about individuals...but be honest the throng rarely acts as individuals they generally act as a herd, they are to afraid to act without the sanction of the herd...
 

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I'm not talking about individuals...but be honest the throng rarely acts as individuals they generally act as a herd, they are to afraid to act without the sanction of the herd...

And yet, we all arrived at vaping, definitely not following the herd on that one :)
 

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In the U.S. we'd need a specific focal point before my family is breathing that special vapor again

The US isn't united, not in facisim, not in nationalism (yes, the precursor), not in anything. It's four of five separate countries in people's attitudes. It's amazing it is still a single country.

One of the reasons that Hitler had so much success is actually because as a small country facing a significant economic downturn the people were easily swayed by nationalist rhetoric.

The internet makes that much harder, I wonder if hurler would've enjoyed the same drug fueled success in the world of today.
more..especially in the US and Europe....more and more we are being told that dessent in any form is a crime...our childeren are taught not to think as individuals but as a "commmunity"....he would have had more succsess now.
 

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more..especially in the US and Europe....more and more we are being told that dessent in any form is a crime...our childeren are taught not to think as individuals but as a "commmunity"....he would have had more succsess now.


interesting I must be with the minority that believes being outspoken and protesting injustice IS patriotic ;)

That's sure scary.
 

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And yet, we all arrived at vaping, definitely not following the herd on that one :)
a handfull of eccentrics and mavericks.....just look at the lies the elite put out against us....just look at the mindless knee jerk reaction of the herd toward us...you prove my point....
 

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interesting I must be with the minority that believes being outspoken and protesting injustice IS patriotic ;)

That's sure scary.
yes you are a minority.....you are suppose to join the "community" and sacrifice for the "greater good"....today in America individualisim is seen as an attack on life itself....we have to all join the UN...the world order...the borg or the planet will die...to be against the intellectual and politicl borg is being painted as a threat to life itself...we all have to get our minds "right"
 
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The Hitler quote is a nice piece of dirt. When our government compares to Hitler, it's time for our military to kill them all so we can start over. It's pretty simple to start calling our enemies nazi's and throwing dirt all over the place. Or maybe the nazi party, er, I mean republicans have worn that out? Not that democrats are any better, opposite sides of the same counterfeit coin to me.

The 99% need to turn on the 1%. There are 99 time more of us, why do we let those traitors rule us? Anyone that has friends in the military, start convincing them to shoot politicians. That's all we need to win this.

Save the children groups=Nazi scum
Pro gun control=Nazi scum too. Hitler was the first big gun control advocate, thus anyone following in his footsteps needs to die as well.
UN=Nazi. Any UN supporters need to die as well.

It doesn't need to be a fantasy, we the people just need to stick together. It wouldn't come easy, but we can win. Most of our military isn't happy with our government, and part of their job is to protect the people and keep the government under control. Well, it's time for them to do it.

Are you for real?? Or are you just trying to piss people off for the fun of it? Talk about inciting argument and hate, you certainly aren't making a whole lot of admirers here.
 

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Are you for real?? Or are you just trying to piss people off for the fun of it? Talk about inciting argument and hate, you certainly aren't making a whole lot of admirers here.

Hey Whiskey,

I think he's just really angry.

Sometimes it helps to vent, but there could be more constructive ways :)

Perhaps misguided, but everyone has a place right?
 

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Are you for real?? Or are you just trying to piss people off for the fun of it? Talk about inciting argument and hate, you certainly aren't making a whole lot of admirers here.
Our military is here to protect Americans and our constitution. Anyone in politics that supports violating our constitution is guilty of treason. Simple as that. The best way to protect our right is to make sure that our rights aren't violated. That is our biggest problem today, we let them (politicians) ignore our rights and get away with it. Our military needs to step in and clean them up. Democrats think they can ban guns, a constitutional right, that makes all of them and their supporters traitors. Republicans think they can force their religious beliefs down everyone's throats, also treason as our constitution says religion and politics are to be kept seperate. Clean up both sides and the people left are the 95% that are in the middle. Both sides support violating our rights, both sides need to be eliminated. As I've said before, even if I don't believe in what you or anyone else says, I will fight and, if needed die to protect your right to say it. Too many people today think that only their opinion matters, nothing else.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I don't give a flying fuck what anyone thinks of me. I will be able to look my maker in the eye when I die and meet his gaze. I've been shot and stabbed defending people that needed help and I wouldn't change a thing if I got another chance. I haven't taken a normal shit since 01 when I jumped in the middle of 4 guys trying to rob 2 women. I took a knife in the gut for my effort, but I did my duty as an American to protect my fellow Americans. What would you have done? I think I've earned my right to have an opinion...
 

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if 95% of the population had half a brain we wouldn't be in the mess we're in.Most of them want to be ruled over like cattle.I find no joy in that realization,but I can no longer deny it...I spent alot of time trying to get people politically active,but there were just to many football games and porn tapes to be watched,to many drugs to be taken for them to bother.
 

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if 95% of the population had half a brain we wouldn't be in the mess we're in.
They are just too timid to do anything. They are taught to believe that anyone that is willing to do anything is an extremist. Oh no, just wait around and someone will fix it. Our politicians care more about us than they do about money.... Yea right.
 

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They are just too timid to do anything. They are taught to believe that anyone that is willing to do anything is an extremist. Oh no, just wait around and someone will fix it. Our politicians care more about us than they do about money.... Yea right.
Excactlly the political elite are criminalizing democracy...they are criminalizing thought...anybody that speaks out against the status quo is a dangerous extermist...anyone who questions the handfull of elite's authority to lead the country, the same elite who've got us into moutains of debt,and war after war, who create one failed policy after the other which bleeds of the wealth of the people..... is a loony and not to be taken seriously.Both parties attack anyone that questions this authority.
But the couldn't do it without the active participation of the majority of the people,and the majority of the population punishing and bullying anyone who thinks for themselves.
 

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Excactlly the political elite are criminalizing democracy...they are criminalizing thought...anybody that speaks out against the status quo is a dangerous extermist...anyone who questions the handfull of elite's authority to lead the country, the same elite who've got us into moutains of debt,and war after war, who create one failed policy after the other which bleeds of the wealth of the people..... is a loony and not to be taken seriously.Both parties attack anyone that questions this authority.
So you see why I think our military should put them all to death? If we make an example out of them, then we will have our rights back.

It's the crooked 2 party system. They are just opposite sides of the same counterfeit coin... Keep Americans seperated between 2 sides and no one will pull their head out of their ass long enough to see that both sides are scum.
 

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It's the crooked 2 party system. They are just opposite sides of the same counterfeit coin... Keep Americans seperated between 2 sides and no one will pull their head out of their ass long enough to see that both sides are scum.
Right, so why continue to play the same game.
 

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